sc94597 said: bobobologna said: sc94597 said: Ail said: Chadius said: The Wii emphasizes different values than the PS3 or 360. It will be very difficult to design a single game that appeals to users of both types of consoles. For developers, this is a boon as they can fine-tune their games for a single engine instead of watering it down for all consoles. For publishers, they'll hate it. They want the most exposure possible. For customers, it won't matter. They either own a Wii and will buy Wii games or buy a PS3/360 and buy those games. So um...I agree? I totally agree. The thing that prompted my post is that fact that every single time a PS360 title isn't announced for the Wii we get a huge thread in the Nintendo forum complaining about it so it seems it does matter for some customers though.... No nintendo fans are pissed off at games going to hd consoles that are better suited for the wii. I'm assuming you me BG&E2. Which if you look at it you will see a perfect wii game, but instead it goes to consoles where the userbase will most likely ignore it. Then there are games like RE5 that do target nintendo fans. You don't really see fans complaing about Gta IV or Halo 3 , because it doesn't really target nintendo fans the way some game do.   How does a game like RE5 target Nintendo fans? http://www.vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=6163 http://www.vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=6971 http://www.vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=1884 http://www.vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=4158 Idk, ask those people who bought these games. And this is about how much capcom is expecting from each hd console.( They said they expect 3million life time sales)

Nice, except that the PS2 version of RE4 sold almost as much as the GC and Wii versions combined. Stereotyping games one way is stupid. It's as bad as the people who say that only kids like the Wii. I only own a PS3, and most people will probably assume I'm a PS3 fanboy. Does that mean I can't like Zelda, and long for a game that plays exactly like Zelda: Wind Waker or Twilight Princess?

Edit:  Just checked the number again, and found that I misread PS2 sales of RE4 as being 2.95 million.  So my first statement is off, but it still outsold either version by a good amount. 

Preacher37 said: You know everybody to be honest I think that this is a moot point. It is completely true that games made specifically for the Wii suck all around on every other console (Rayman Raving Rabbids). I mean tossing a cow with a sixaxis? please. But that is why they made RRR2 a Wii exclusive, and it works the way it is supposed to. Sad to say I bought the x360 in order to play Star Wars: The Force Unleashed and Ghostbusters on it, only to find they then ported those games to the Wii. Neither Developers nor publishers are so stupid that they cannot recognize the potential or awesomeness of the Wii at this point. Unfortunately I agree that the future filled with Wii ports to other systems is fantasy, because it is neither plausible nor recommended, for our sake as gamers. But cmon, wait long enough and all those big HD games will make it onto your Wii, and you might even get some spectacularly awesome games that they said would never come over(Okami anybody??) In the end we get awesome games multiplatform because the Wii is easier to program for and everybody wants a piece of the big N.

Hey preacher, nice to see you posting. I agree. Most of the multiplatform games I see going to the wii will be the ones that were rejected by the ps360 fanbase. While games that sell well on the hd consoles such as fps, and racers most likely won't be ported. I could even see the wii as the main developement console for some multiplats. I don't really care though. I would rather have exclusives than multiplats.

 

bobobologna said: sc94597 said: bobobologna said: sc94597 said: snip snip   How does a game like RE5 target Nintendo fans? http://www.vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=6163 http://www.vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=6971 http://www.vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=1884 http://www.vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=4158 Idk, ask those people who bought these games. And this is about how much capcom is expecting from each hd console.( They said they expect 3million life time sales)   Nice, except that the PS2 version of RE4 sold almost as much as the GC and Wii versions combined.  Stereotyping games one way is stupid.  It's as bad as the people who say that only kids like the Wii.  I only own a PS3, and most people will probably assume I'm a PS3 fanboy.  Does that mean I can't like Zelda, and long for a game that plays exactly like Zelda: Wind Waker or Twilight Princess?

The gc and wii versions = 3.28 and the ps2version = 2.59. That isn't almost. That is far from it. I would expect more from a console with a userbase of 100+ million. I'm saying alot ps360 multiplats target the wii userbase while alot don't. It doesn't even matter if the ps2 version sold that much, we aren't talking about the ps2.

 

its obvious by now that big western devs have decided to ignore the wii, as a wii owner i dont really care i have decent gaming pc and soon a ps3

@sc94597

The Square Enix CEO made claims to be pushing his company to seek western appeal, every wonder why?

Those developers/publishers know what the Wii is about (they want no part of that), but they also know what the install base is about, however they’re so vested in their typical rubbish it's disgusting.

“FFXIII could go to hell for all I care, COD4 isn't my kind of fun anymore,” that’s the idiom of thinking they have right now towards’ Wii owners, that and compound it with 'casuals' and you have the current situation is.

The apparent is they are making trash to get cash and put ‘hardcore’ IPs on the other platforms, the reality is they don't see this (wii core) market of as being profitable for the other games. They think that this market that would like those games only like it if it said "Nintendo" or had Mario in it.

The Japanese developers are more than likely going to look to PSN and retail for Xbox360, the small time ones will be making the move towards non-localized titles.

I set my hopes high for late 2008, but it seems it's just Nintendo pushing the envelope this time... maybe 2009.

All I have now are FFCC, MH3 and about 5 others, normally I run through about 20 games a year… but I’d love to get the Nintendo ideal working within my friends and family and get everyone playing, however there in lays my real issue, how can these guys measure the market if they don’t test it out properly; Red Steele was the last true attempt. (business side)

I hope that sums up what I'm getting at.

Cougarman said: its obvious by now that big western devs have decided to ignore the wii, as a wii owner i dont really care i have decent gaming pc and soon a ps3

When Nintendos output for the console is so strong, losing somebody like Ubisoft isnt really that big a deal is it, so your right not to care

dib8rman said: @sc94597 The Square Enix CEO made claims to be pushing his company to seek western appeal, every wonder why? Those developers/publishers know what the Wii is about (they want no part of that), but they also know what the install base is about, however they’re so vested in their typical rubbish it's disgusting. “FFXIII could go to hell for all I care, COD4 isn't my kind of fun anymore,” that’s the idiom of thinking they have right now towards’ Wii owners, that and compound it with 'casuals' and you have the current situation is. The apparent is they are making trash to get cash and put ‘hardcore’ IPs on the other platforms, the reality is they don't see this (wii core) market of as being profitable for the other games. They think that this market that would like those games only like it if it said "Nintendo" or had Mario in it. The Japanese developers are more than likely going to look to PSN and retail for Xbox360, the small time ones will be making the move towards non-localized titles. I set my hopes high for late 2008, but it seems it's just Nintendo pushing the envelope this time... maybe 2009. All I have now are FFCC, MH3 and about 5 others, normally I run through about 20 games a year… but I’d love to get the Nintendo ideal working within my friends and family and get everyone playing, however there in lays my real issue, how can these guys measure the market if they don’t test it out properly; Red Steele was the last true attempt. (business side) I hope that sums up what I'm getting at.

Yeah, but square enix isn't like that.  They know they may get more western appeal, but not enough to support them the way the japanese do. Square Enix stated that their main games will be on the DS, Wii, and PS3.  Square Enix made huge money off the ds, and if the wii follows the path of the ds( which I believe it will) square enix will suppport the wii as well. No matter how western they get  they won't abandon the japanese. The wii also has the western market so they won't have to worry. Square Enix isn't as big as people think. They almost went bankrupt many times, and they think on how to get the most money possibe. For square enix, this means developing for the wii. Right now we've seen little support for home console from them, and when we do I will see a whole variety of franchises going to the wii as well as the ps3.

 

colonelstubbs said: Cougarman said: its obvious by now that big western devs have decided to ignore the wii, as a wii owner i dont really care i have decent gaming pc and soon a ps3 When Nintendos output for the console is so strong, losing somebody like Ubisoft isnt really that big a deal is it, so your right not to care

exactly. i bought wii for nintendo games anything else i get is bonus and i have been happy with my wii so far

The exact reasons dev's wont make games for the wii. Because they games they'll make wont appeal to nintendo fans. Unless they start making games the emulate simple tasks or are cute and cuddly.

theraweness said: The exact reasons dev's wont make games for the wii. Because they games they'll make wont appeal to nintendo fans. Unless they start making games the emulate simple tasks or are cute and cuddly.

 games like prince of persia and beyond good and evil do apeal to nintendo fans