ssj12 said: Is 2nd place really losing it that badly? Plus we have no idea if the Wii will lose steam or not.

The Seven Stages of Grief 3. Bargaining

ultraslick said: psrock said: I wonder why the attack? Frst of all, my point is actually show that, it was really bad decision making by Sony that cost them this Gen. Maybe, they wont make the same mistakes next time. You are so...... I hope they DO make the same mistakes. I hope there is another technological dream machine where the dev technology wont even be fully achieved until the end of the generation. Cost them this gen? They introduced and won the hd format war which will reap more benefits in the long run than their games division ever could. Sure they could have introduced a computer with computer games (360), or abandoned the Sony image of high quality electronics which tie into one another, and make a nintendo like system... but they didnt. And I applaud that. This is Sony. The vision is there, and time will show that the PS3 is (in the consumers eyes) the farthest thing from a mistake ever. The PS4 will hopefully maintain the Sony image, as the PS3 has.... and continue to deliver state of the art technology at a loss to the manufacturer..(because the consumer benefits the most) instead of selling out for the almighty dollar, the way the other two console manufacturers seem to have done.

The Seven Stages of Grief 2. Denial

ssj12 said: Is 2nd place really losing it that badly? Plus we have no idea if the Wii will lose steam or not.

Sony isn't in 2nd place yet, and hoping against hope that the Wii will lose steam is one thing, but if you think that Wii sales will drop low enough month to month, for the PS3 to pull ahead(how long does it take to make up a 13 million lead when your pulling ahead by 100,000 a month?), soon that's gonna be reaching into the impossible.

Can you see the Wii losing steam in Japan?

Sony's failure this gen is undeniable. Even if somehow they did manage to best the Wii by the end, Sony still failed to follow up on the biggest brand name recognition ever amassed in the game industry and basically destroyed their brand in the eyes of all but their most devout followers for a long time, for the reasons the OP mentioned.

 

I do believe this thread is beating a dead horse.

However, at this stage, denying he has a point, just doesn't seem right, imo.

 

We have no idea if the PS3 will lose steam, either. At this point, you have to admit, for the PS3 to beat the Wii in a 10 year lifecycle, it would have to sell more than it is now, and the Wii would have to sell far less, even if the Wii only sold for the next fiveish years itself. After the 4th year, all consoles sales are gonna probably slow down. As their momentum slows, also does the prospect of changes in the batting order.

Doing the math, I can no longer understand how anyone truely believes the PS3 has a shot at overtaking the Wii this generation. Lets assume Nintendo makes their conservative Wii predictions this year. How many more units per month, than the Wii, would the PS3 have to sell, in a 10 year lifecycle, to pull ahead of the Wii?

 

The best thing to hope for at this point, even if the PS3 could win, is a squeeze out victory at the end of the PS3 10 year lifecycle, while the Wii 2 is already on the market. That is not much of a victory either way. Coming off of the PS2, this is a failure, in my book. If Wii2 drops to last place next gen, then Nintendo would have failed to maintain their market stranglehold. I think this gen is already firmly in their grasps. We'll know for sure this time next year, and either the Wii will have dropped off the map, which has almost no chance of happening, or the denials of Wii dominance this gen, from a hardware standpoint, will be over. Until then, there is no use arguing about it.  There is still hope, but imo, it is a fleeting illusion.

FinalEvangelion said: LordTheNightKnight said: colonelstubbs said: "All things considered, I'm pretty sure it's already a done deal, given the fact that we hear very credible rumors about it once a week or so." If one more person posts something about MGS4 appearing on the 360... IT CANT HANDLE IT How many more times!? DISC SIZE ONLY MEANS MORE DISCS Not so simple. Works well for Linear games like jRPGs. However, the developers of GTA have been saying that there is going to need to be a solution (like HDD install). Can't just change discs everytime you go to a different area.

Is the game area of MSG4 like GTA IV's? And even then...

GTA IV still fit on one DVD9.

@Onimusha12

You'll at least get a warning for posts like that. I suggest you take it down asap. It's trolling. You could back up your response like I did, but I suggest you get that down before a mod sees it.

LordTheNightKnight said: FinalEvangelion said: LordTheNightKnight said: colonelstubbs said: "All things considered, I'm pretty sure it's already a done deal, given the fact that we hear very credible rumors about it once a week or so." If one more person posts something about MGS4 appearing on the 360... IT CANT HANDLE IT How many more times!? DISC SIZE ONLY MEANS MORE DISCS Not so simple. Works well for Linear games like jRPGs. However, the developers of GTA have been saying that there is going to need to be a solution (like HDD install). Can't just change discs everytime you go to a different area. Is the game area of MSG4 like GTA IV's? And even then... GTA IV still fit on one DVD9.

To be quite honest, I believe the MGSIV blu-ray claims are a talking point used to buff up the PS3 hardware and the usefullness of blu-ray.

While I'm sure the BR disc is close to full on in MGS4, I also believe that Kojima probably just artificially filled it up with whatever bells and whistles he could dump into the game. Maybe an alternative language track or something, or redundant information for faster load times, ect, or maybe less voice compression. Maybe a "making of" segment. The fact is, the game doesnt' look better than a lot of 360 games, and even if it had 30 of 40 hours of actual game on there, I believe it could probably be squeezed on a couple of DL-DVDs. 4 max, ala Lost Odyssey.

 

If Kojima doesn't want it on 360, it won't be. If he does, Blu-Ray isn't required for gaming and this gen it never will be, it's just a nice extra. In the end, it is just a larger storage medium, and there are ways to work around that. Particularly if you develop a game with that in mind.

ZenfoldorVGI said: @Onimusha12 You'll at least get a warning for posts like that. I suggest you take it down asap. It's trolling. You could back up your response like I did, but I suggest you get that down before a mod sees it.

If you look at the first page you'll see it wasn't my idea. My responses were appropriate for the comments they're addressing, its not to accost the posters so much as it is to make people take a step back see what is going on here... at least from one perspective. In a dicey thread, I think dicey comments are going to be a given. One interesting thing I think this thread addresses quite uniquely is Sony's customer support and public relations which was either largely avoided as a topic or heavily contested during the dismay of the PS3's launch. It'll be interesting to see how Sony responds to the lesson they've learned with the PS3.