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GhaudePhaede010 on 26 May 2008
*bleu-ocelot* said:
Cheebee said:
Right. Okay.
Well, erm, in that case... I'd have absolutely no idea. No way to tell. Who's to say Nintendo won't be market leader again?

 

Its about speculation."Who's to say Nintendo wont be last in the market?"Going by past trends of Playstation domination,i see this thread as a great discussion on the matter.

Going by past trends, two generations of domination seems to be where it ends. So who really is to say Nintendo will not lead next generation and then a paradigm shift?



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*bleu-ocelot* on 26 May 2008
GhaudePhaede010 said:
*bleu-ocelot* said:
Cheebee said:
Right. Okay.
Well, erm, in that case... I'd have absolutely no idea. No way to tell. Who's to say Nintendo won't be market leader again?

 

Its about speculation."Who's to say Nintendo wont be last in the market?"Going by past trends of Playstation domination,i see this thread as a great discussion on the matter.

Going by past trends, two generations of domination seems to be where it ends. So who really is to say Nintendo will not lead next generation and then a paradigm shift?


 Because their are factors that affected the Playstation's growth this generation.



ZenfoldorVGI on 26 May 2008
Imperial said:
Why wouldd Nintendo's next console be HD ? , considering that HD is relevant to the time that it's in.

HD would be to expensive
The consumer wouldn't neccasily want HD

Also taking into account Nintendo would probably need to adopt another high risk/high gain controler ( I don't think they could do the Wii-Mote for another 5-9 years) it further makes Nintendos future unsure.

Microsoft and Sony will adopt new strategies ( well should do ) to embrace the casual and hardcore gamers market , there's no way Nintendo will be left alone to dominate a whole segment of a market with no competition next Gen.

Then there's the possibility of even more competition , microsoft & Sony are both more able the Nintendo to sell consoles at a loss ( Nintendo is very conservative with the money it spends).

If a crystal ball told me that the Wii would come in last Next gen then i'd be the least bit suprised .

Ah, but if you look at it like that, wouldn't the vast majority of PS3 and 360 only owners be upset with the new direction their console was taking?

Again, it'll be difficult in multiple ways to butt in on the market Nintendo discovered. The Wii/DS brand is very big to the casual market, while the PS3 and 360 fanbases are largely hardcore. Those fanbases would backlash any decisions hardware wise, that would need to be made to appease that casual market.

 

For Sony and MS to do so, the first step is to be conservative with system specs, to drive down costs. The casual market isn't gonna spring for high end technology when Nintendo has a cheap and innovative alternative out which is backwards compatible with Wii-Fit. Will Sony and MS sacrafice storage space and system specifications to drive down cost and compete with Nintendo for the casual market?

If they did, a lot of people would say that Nintendo killed gaming. In a way, the evolution of gaming strictly in terms of increased graphics power would have been killed, if that turns out to be the case, since that is the traditional evolution of consoles, it would be fair to say that even if Microsoft and Sony won next generation, strictly-hardcore gamers have already lost, because their next gen consoles will be less powerful than they would have been if Nintendo hadn't created the Wii. Significantly less powerful, but also significantly cheaper.

 

It's also likely that developmen time and money from major studios would be diverted to create casual games. Bungie, for instance, spending two years creating a casual game for the PS360 to help wrestle the market from Nintendo would be a boon for sony and microsoft, but it could also make hardcore gamers wait 2 extra years for their next FPS.

 



I don't need your console war.
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor.
You're power hungry, spinnin' stories, and bein' graphics whores.
I don't need your console war.

NO NO, NO NO NO.

Imperial on 26 May 2008
ZenfoldorVGI said:
kingofwale said:
Who? Pretty much everyone... Sony will, Microsoft will, heck, maybe even Apple will come up with their "casual" based machine. Nintendo is right now holding the majority of the casual market in both handheld and console market.

Ah, but that opens up the can of worms Sony and MS fanboys despise.

To take top spot, the next consoles will have to enter the casual market in some way. We're already seeing them try to do it.

 Agreed , it's incredibly unlikely that any console could hold majority marketshare without the casual market.

So what is more important to their respective fanbases? Beating Nintendo in sales figures, or having first party games stay true to the hardcore mentallity rather than catering to a casual audience via gimmicky hardware?

Why isn't it possible to have both ? yes it is very difficult but if Sony/MS/Nintendo came out with Semi-Powerful hardware ( e.g PS2)  , then it would be possible to achieve a lower price point that apeals to the casuals and semi powerful console that apeals to the hardcore , as the console becomes more popular (through apealing to a large % of all markets ) it will only matter to a small % that it is slightly less powerfull than it's rivals.

You can't have it both ways. If you want Sony to win, you have to want them to enter the casual market full force which could destroy everything you seem to love about them. If you want them to stay strictly hardcore and "win," that might not be possible.

The PS2 is a great example of exactly why you don't have to enter the casual market full force , Sony dropped the price of the PS2 pretty fast and then introduced Singstar, Eyetoye etc. The Wii is pretty much the opposite of the PS2, it started of a the casual end and is working it's way to the hardcore market ( Conduit etc ) however the hardware is a limitation for the Wii.

Also, with Nintendo's brand power in the casual market, I think it'd take more than one generation to wrestle leadership of it from them, even if all those companies you mentioned teamed up to take Nintendo on, together.

 Here's the thing , the casual market are far less loyal than the hardcore market , the casuals are looking for whats popular,new,celebrities are using . Nintendo will have to proove themselves all over again to the casual market ( of course there will be there's that love the Wii and want an improved experience next time ) because for the most part casuals have poor memory.

 However the hardcore market is as loyal as hell , this is seen in the PS3 outperofming the XBOX 360 in hardware sales despite the PS3 having a small (and arguably poorer) libary of games , The PS3 is kicking the XBOX's arse in europe and japan this is clearly brand loyalty.


 



Thatmax on 26 May 2008

If Apple were to make a console to compete with the next generation of consoles, then it would be competing with Nintendo for the casual market rather than Sony or Microsoft.



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darthdevidem01 on 26 May 2008

Yeah you only get domination 2 times..

NES SNES (Nintendo)

PS1 PS2 (SONY)

Wii ???HD (Nintendo)

??? ???

Nex-gen ninty will win again but after that who knows



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Imperial on 26 May 2008
ZenfoldorVGI said:
Imperial said:
Why wouldd Nintendo's next console be HD ? , considering that HD is relevant to the time that it's in.

HD would be to expensive
The consumer wouldn't neccasily want HD

Also taking into account Nintendo would probably need to adopt another high risk/high gain controler ( I don't think they could do the Wii-Mote for another 5-9 years) it further makes Nintendos future unsure.

Microsoft and Sony will adopt new strategies ( well should do ) to embrace the casual and hardcore gamers market , there's no way Nintendo will be left alone to dominate a whole segment of a market with no competition next Gen.

Then there's the possibility of even more competition , microsoft & Sony are both more able the Nintendo to sell consoles at a loss ( Nintendo is very conservative with the money it spends).

If a crystal ball told me that the Wii would come in last Next gen then i'd be the least bit suprised .

Ah, but if you look at it like that, wouldn't the vast majority of PS3 and 360 only owners be upset with the new direction their console was taking?

*SNIP*

 

For Sony and MS to do so, the first step is to be conservative with system specs, to drive down costs. The casual market isn't gonna spring for high end technology when Nintendo has a cheap and innovative alternative out which is backwards compatible with Wii-Fit.

*SNIP*

 

If there isn't a more technologicaly advanced console on the market then why would the hardcore segment complain ? it's not like the only thing they care about is graphical quality , if Sony and MS can improve the gaming experience in ways other than simply improving the graphical standard then i'm 100% certain the hardcore market would still embrace it , Gamers more than most people (I think) are excited about change and revolution however historicaly Sony and MS have limited that because of their traditional approach(and we've seen how well that worked).

Thing is if Sony & MS can justify their price of their console (Highly Innovaite @ a premium) then I see no reason why the won't give Nintendo a run for their money .it's not like Nintendo can simply come up with something innovative when it's required of them , innovative products are created by innovative people so there's no guarantee that Nintendo will still have that in 5 years or that Sony and MS won't copy the shit out of Nintendo from the begining of the next gen.

 



ZenfoldorVGI on 26 May 2008

@Imperial

I agree that the casual market is more fickle than the hardcore market, but brand name does exist there, it just exists in a state that is more akin to brand names in other more mainstream markets, like clothing and jewelry. It's not something that can just be left unaddressed for a new console entering that market. Backwards compatibility for Wii-Fit will be a big step if Nintendo plays that up in the marketing.

I don't agree that the PS3 is outperforming the 360 in Others based mainly on brand. I believe that is based largely on RRoD, which is much more of a bother(if you can actually believe that) to send your console in from England than America.

Unlike America, the RRoD stories are very mainstream in England and most Others countries and Micrisoft receives very negative press often from those stories. Even casuals know of the RRoD in England, for instance.

That said, don't forget that Nintendo has an equally large number of ultra-hardcore loyalists as does Microsoft and Sony. You saw the gamecube sell passibly despite being virtually invisible to the casual gamer. The vast Nintendo fanboy userbase is well documented.

Basically, each company is gonna have about 10million console sales to brand loyalists. That's a given. I don't think it's accurate to assume that more loyalists flock to the sony or ms brand, than they do to the Nintendo brand. Remember, the Wii doesn't just appeal to the casual market, it could possibly be eclipsing Sony's numbers at this point, without it, imo. The casual market is just so expansive that the sales boom for the Wii has left us all stunned.



I don't need your console war.
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor.
You're power hungry, spinnin' stories, and bein' graphics whores.
I don't need your console war.

NO NO, NO NO NO.

Squilliam on 26 May 2008

Apple *100.

Microsoft *2

Sony *2



Tease.

SaviorX on 26 May 2008

I don't think Nintendo will lose next "generation". History has shown that consoles that "won" usually had successors that "won" again. (PS1/PS2) (NES/SNES).

But if I were to predict if anyone could unseat them at #1, it would be Sony. They already hit the "casual" market before with the PS2 and I think they would still do better than the Xbox *720* in Japan.

As for Nintendo dropping all the way to third with all the money they just made, I highly doubt it. I don't think they could next "gen", maybe the one after that.



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