bdbdbd said: Not quite, since it didn't take into account the last generations existing gamerbase on non-Nintendo platforms. 3rd parties also is a part of Nintendos plans. Eventually the last generation hits end up on Wii. For example the Resident Evil games and the CoD5. Monster Hunter, Bully, Manhunt... I can't say about 3rd parties launch schedules, but you need to take into account, that they still are in the middle of their PS360 projects, which needs to be finished. 3rd parties are just slowly starting to move for the Wii and there are not many unannounced 3rd party games that will hit this year. Yet unannounced 3rd party games that hit the Wii this year, are propably WiiWare titles. @Bored: You didn't take the two Resident Evil games into account when you mentioned MP3. Capcom definately seems to have an idea how Nintendo is moving with its strategy and how to take benefit. RE4 port came just in time to cut the sales of MP3 at launch and REUC cut its christmas market. And making a move in advance did really pay off. LOL@Rol.

 As I said Nintendo is not pushing any core games.They are letting third parties carry the upmarket load while they focus on bridge games.

Bored4life said: @Louie: Ubisoft hates Nintendo(not the Wii customers) and are pulling resources due to necessity and not love.This is clear.That's why I even put the "Yes really" next to their name.One thing though is that they are not elitists like most of the other western devs.They are just very sour at how much they've had to reorganize within a mere 4 year period.Nintendo has really screwed up a lot of people.

Agreed.

It was always obvious Ubisoft didn´t like the idea of supporting Nintendo in such a big way. Look at what they did, they opened a studio only for "casual" games and now what they experience is that their games are actually turning quite a profit.

I´m still not sure about Capcom, though. They know where the money is but I still didn´t get any hint about Resident Evil 5... though I assume the game was still in early developement the last time we heard about it.

Bored4life said: bdbdbd said: Not quite, since it didn't take into account the last generations existing gamerbase on non-Nintendo platforms. 3rd parties also is a part of Nintendos plans. Eventually the last generation hits end up on Wii. For example the Resident Evil games and the CoD5. Monster Hunter, Bully, Manhunt... I can't say about 3rd parties launch schedules, but you need to take into account, that they still are in the middle of their PS360 projects, which needs to be finished. 3rd parties are just slowly starting to move for the Wii and there are not many unannounced 3rd party games that will hit this year. Yet unannounced 3rd party games that hit the Wii this year, are propably WiiWare titles. @Bored: You didn't take the two Resident Evil games into account when you mentioned MP3. Capcom definately seems to have an idea how Nintendo is moving with its strategy and how to take benefit. RE4 port came just in time to cut the sales of MP3 at launch and REUC cut its christmas market. And making a move in advance did really pay off. LOL@Rol.  As I said Nintendo is not pushing any core games.They are letting third parties carry the upmarket load while they focus on bridge games.

I do agree that Nintendo focuses on bridged games, which MP3 was supposed to be aswell. But the thing is, that it really failed miserably in that case. Looking at how MP3 sells, its sales are only going to end up between the previous Primes, or in best case scenario, barely become the best-selling Prime. And that's because of Capcom. When you look at it, Capcom is the only publisher that has managed to beat Nintendo in a virtually direct competition on Wii.
Besides, REUC without a doubt is a bridged game, it's no coincidence either that it happens to be so slow paced. It's hard as hell to cater the "hardcore" with some "side missions", its story caters for the RE fans, it's Wii Remote controls are easy to pick up and it's so slow paced that it doesn't work as reaction test outside the random "waggle or die" in the bossfights.

Good discussion around here, I dunno that 3rd partieshave internal conflict regarding Nintendo and them having hard time developing on both HD consoles and the Wii. Why I never knew this in gaming sites and mags?

Louie said: Agreed. It was always obvious Ubisoft didn´t like the idea of supporting Nintendo in such a big way. Look at what they did, they opened a studio only for "casual" games and now what they experience is that their games are actually turning quite a profit. I´m still not sure about Capcom, though. They know where the money is but I still didn´t get any hint about Resident Evil 5... though I assume the game was still in early developement the last time we heard about it.

 No need to worry about Capcom in the long run.Wii will get most of their support.However they will never give up on the other consoles.

Capcom has a habit of being the best third party developer for losing consoles.They always have their bases covered.

Best third party developer for:

Saturn

Dreamcast

Gamecube

PSP

I don't think this will change for a looooong time.

Bored4life said: Louie said: Agreed. It was always obvious Ubisoft didn´t like the idea of supporting Nintendo in such a big way. Look at what they did, they opened a studio only for "casual" games and now what they experience is that their games are actually turning quite a profit. I´m still not sure about Capcom, though. They know where the money is but I still didn´t get any hint about Resident Evil 5... though I assume the game was still in early developement the last time we heard about it. No need to worry about Capcom in the long run.Wii will get most of their support.However they will never give up on the other consoles. Capcom has a habit of being the best third party developer for losing consoles.They always have their bases covered. Best third party developer for: Saturn Dreamcast Gamecube PSP I don't think this will change for a looooong time.

 I´m just not sure whether they´ll put the most ressources on the Wii or support the consoles equal. I´m mainly curious about Resident Evil 5.

bdbdbd said:   I do agree that Nintendo focuses on bridged games, which MP3 was supposed to be aswell. But the thing is, that it really failed miserably in that case. Looking at how MP3 sells, its sales are only going to end up between the previous Primes, or in best case scenario, barely become the best-selling Prime. And that's because of Capcom. When you look at it, Capcom is the only publisher that has managed to beat Nintendo in a virtually direct competition on Wii. Besides, REUC without a doubt is a bridged game, it's no coincidence either that it happens to be so slow paced. It's hard as hell to cater the "hardcore" with some "side missions", its story caters for the RE fans, it's Wii Remote controls are easy to pick up and it's so slow paced that it doesn't work as reaction test outside the random "waggle or die" in the bossfights.

MP3 only had 2 purposes if you read through old interviews.

1)Cement in a portion of gamers' minds that Wii is best for FPS.This is probably the last barrier that will fall to the Blue Ocean waves.

2)Test possibilities for digital distribution.A concept that led to an incident recently that forced Sony to forget about marketshare and focus on trying to get their PC in the livingroom going before it's too late(the reason why they got into the console business in the first palce).

So I disagree.

 

@Louie:I worry about Resident Evil 5 aswell.It's the only thing I worry about because it's the one game that I really want to play and I'm not buying an HD console. 

Bored4life said: bdbdbd said:   I do agree that Nintendo focuses on bridged games, which MP3 was supposed to be aswell. But the thing is, that it really failed miserably in that case. Looking at how MP3 sells, its sales are only going to end up between the previous Primes, or in best case scenario, barely become the best-selling Prime. And that's because of Capcom. When you look at it, Capcom is the only publisher that has managed to beat Nintendo in a virtually direct competition on Wii. Besides, REUC without a doubt is a bridged game, it's no coincidence either that it happens to be so slow paced. It's hard as hell to cater the "hardcore" with some "side missions", its story caters for the RE fans, it's Wii Remote controls are easy to pick up and it's so slow paced that it doesn't work as reaction test outside the random "waggle or die" in the bossfights. MP3 only had 2 purposes if you read through old interviews. 1)Cement in a portion of gamers' minds that Wii is best for FPS.This is probably the last barrier that will fall to the Blue Ocean waves. 2)Test possibilities for digital distribution.A concept that led to an incident recently that forced Sony to forget about marketshare and focus on trying to get their PC in the livingroom going before it's too late(the reason why they got into the console business in the first palce). So I disagree.   @Louie:I worry about Resident Evil 5 aswell.It's the only thing I worry about because it's the one game that I really want to play and I'm not buying an HD console.

The preview channel definately was genious idea, test how "Nintendo Channel" would work and market a game that's most targeted at the audience that's looking the gameplay videos from the internet. And now you need to think outside the box, it doesn't really matter which way your game is bridged. The Resident Evil games still performed better in MS3:s task, or should i say, just ate away sales.
Looking (again) MP3 sales, it didn't manage to expand its audience, it only managed to cater the existing fanbase. People who wanted shooting, went for RE4 or REUC. Of course, MP3 can still show legs and if the rumoured MP trilogy pack turns out to be true, it still may complete its mission.

Great posts Bored4Life.

This is a fantastic thread, great job Bored4Life!