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CrazzyMan on 04 June 2007

The PS2 was way ahead, and was pulling farther and farther ahead. The PS3 is way behind, and is falling farther and farther behind. These launches just are.not.comparable.

Don`t worry, not for long.

PS3 it`s not selling bad(only low). It`s selling good, like PS2 did first year.
If ps3 will sell less then 5 mln, by the end of this year, then yeah, ps3 is not doing good.

PS2 in first 6 month in japan made 2,5 Mln. with 300$ price.
PS3 in first 6 month in japan+usa made 2,4 Mln. with 600$ price

PS2 in another 6 month made 8 mln. worldwide with price 300$.
PS3 in another 6 month have to make 7 mln. worldwide with 600$ price.

1,5-2 for japan, 2,5-3 mln. for usa, 2-2,5 mln. for other.
Not possible you say?
June - NGS, Folklore, Darkness, R6V.
July - EG5, Lair, NGS.
August - EofJ, SingStar, Stranglehold.
September - UT3, AC, HS, Warhawk, Guitar Hero III.
October - GTA4, Folklore, "Home".
November - R&C, Socom, Haze, The Spy,
December - Uncharted, LBP, Tekken6, GT5 prologue.

+ Possible price CUT.

November-December may make 2 mln. in usa and 2 mln. in other + 1 mln. in japan. That would be 5 mln. and 2 mln during june-october, i don`t se a problem.



Every 5 seconds on earth one child dies from hunger...

2009.04.30 - PS3 will OUTSELL x360 atleast by the middle of 2010. Japan+Europe > NA.


Gran Turismo 3 - 1,06 mln. in 3 weeks with around 4 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Gran Turismo 4 - 1,16 mln. with 18 mln. PS2 on the launch.

Final Fantasy X - around 2 mln. with 5 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Final Fantasy X-2 - 2.4 mln. with 12 mln. PS2 on the launch.

 

1.8 mln. PS3 today(2008.01.17) in Japan. Now(2009.04.30) 3.16 mln. PS3 were sold in Japan.
PS3 will reach 4 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 25k.

PS3 may reach 5 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 50k.
PS2 2001 vs PS3 2008 sales numbers =) + New games released in Japan by 2009 that passed 100k so far

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Bodhesatva on 04 June 2007
cgnobody said:
Bodhesatva said:
cgnobody said:
DonWii said:
Well, you left out the part about the PS2 being released one year earlier than its competition. I believe that is one major difference with the PS2-PS3. The rest of the comparisons just show that the PS3 will do well. Only time will tell how well.

not true, the dreamcast was first available and the ps2 had to overcome that console and all the negative critisism from the critics.


Oh, please. The Dreamcast sold poorly from the start. It was basically dead in the water when it launched. The two consoles that would give the PS2 any competition at all -- the Xbox and Gamecube -- didn't launch for another year.

Regardless of whether one believes these silly parallels apply or not, the truth is that the circumstances are completely different now. Just look at my last post. Look at where the PS2 was 6 months after the Xbox/Gamecube launched. Look at 6 months after the Wii/PS3 launched. The PS3 is way behind, the PS2 was way ahead. That's all you really need to know; the PS3 is nowhere close to where the PS2 was at this point in generational cycle. And with every passing day, the disparity between the PS2 and PS3's position grows. The PS2 was pulling farther and farther ahead, while the PS3 falls farther and farther behind.

Just get over it. The PS3 isn't even close to being in the same position as the PS2. End of story.


the ps2 stayed ahead for a reason, not just that it came out first. you cant tell me that 115+ million units is because they came out first. the other consoles were so far behind because they lacked the components of a well rounded system.


That isn't what I'm telling you at all. What I'm telling you is that the PS2 started ahead and stayed ahead. By contast, the PS3 fell behind immediately and is falling farther behind. You want to argue that the PS3 will pull it out in the end? Fine, but that's not what this thread is about. This thread is about the PS3 launch resembling the PS2 launch.

Look at those graphs again. Do those launches look similar to you? The PS2 had over 66 percent market share at this point in the generational cycle (and growing). The PS3 has less than 15 percent (and shrinking). Again, you want to argue that the PS3 will make up all that ground? Go right ahead and do that in another thread. For now, this thread is about PS2/PS3 comparisons, and the PS3 isn't even close.



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johnsobas on 04 June 2007

5 million for november december huh? Someone better put that in their sig.



currently playing: Skyward Sword, Mario Sunshine, Xenoblade Chronicles X

OriGin on 04 June 2007

I thought this is interesting for point making sake of this argument...

PS2 vs Xbox360 vs Wii

http://vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons1=Wii&reg1=All&cons2=PS2&reg2=All&cons3=X360&reg3=All&align=1



CrazzyMan on 05 June 2007
johnsobas said:
5 million for november december huh? Someone better put that in their sig.

x360 on november-december in usa made 2 mln. just with 1 AAA game. PS3 in 2nd part of 2007 will have like 5 AAA titles and more then 10 amazing games. Also may have price cut.

+in europe and japan ps3 always had stronger positions. Btw, + Killzone 2 public beta is coming this year, + GT5 demo or GT5 prologue coming this year, + FFXIII demo coming this year, + probably MGS4 demo may come this year too. Fans of these series will be happy.



Every 5 seconds on earth one child dies from hunger...

2009.04.30 - PS3 will OUTSELL x360 atleast by the middle of 2010. Japan+Europe > NA.


Gran Turismo 3 - 1,06 mln. in 3 weeks with around 4 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Gran Turismo 4 - 1,16 mln. with 18 mln. PS2 on the launch.

Final Fantasy X - around 2 mln. with 5 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Final Fantasy X-2 - 2.4 mln. with 12 mln. PS2 on the launch.

 

1.8 mln. PS3 today(2008.01.17) in Japan. Now(2009.04.30) 3.16 mln. PS3 were sold in Japan.
PS3 will reach 4 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 25k.

PS3 may reach 5 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 50k.
PS2 2001 vs PS3 2008 sales numbers =) + New games released in Japan by 2009 that passed 100k so far

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dpmnymkrprez on 05 June 2007
stof said:

@ URNotE - If you were new to the boards I'd understand the reasoning in your thread, but haven't you been here a while? We've devoted alot of attention to the "Launch Myths" of Sony and Nintendo over the last few months.

1. The PS3 is a lot more expensive than the PS2.

2. PS2 had a year headstart over the competition (The Dreamcast was in no position to put up a fight), where the PS3 is a year behind the box and on equal footing with the Wii

3. The PS2 was released at a time when the DVD player was already taking over from VHS, and it could capitalize on demand, where as the PS3 is coming out at a time when a format war over the DVD successor is going poorly for both sides, as the new formats only matter to those that have High Def televisions

4. The PS2 didn't have to compete with the Wii. Love it or hate it, it's selling well and getting more dev support

However, even if we ignore all the big differences between the two consoles. The most important evidence is the sales. The PS2 had terrific sales right off the bat. The PS3 having lousy sales. I'm not saying that the PS3 won't improve sales, but there's no way it will mirror the PS2's results in any way shape or form. 


I agree, this thread seems to be repititious, plus a lot of the newbies have been repititious as well. not knockin anyone, just that new people really need to read previous posts instead of reading the first one on top



OriGin on 05 June 2007
CrazzyMan said:
johnsobas said:
5 million for november december huh? Someone better put that in their sig.

x360 on november-december in usa made 2 mln. just with 1 AAA game. PS3 in 2nd part of 2007 will have like 5 AAA titles and more then 10 amazing games. Also may have price cut.

+in europe and japan ps3 always had stronger positions. Btw, + Killzone 2 public beta is coming this year, + GT5 demo or GT5 prologue coming this year, + FFXIII demo coming this year, + probably MGS4 demo may come this year too. Fans of these series will be happy.


 Sorry, but even with all of those positives, I still believe there is no chance of 5 million.  No way, but time shall tell!



CrazzyMan on 05 June 2007
OriGin said:
CrazzyMan said:
johnsobas said:
5 million for november december huh? Someone better put that in their sig.

x360 on november-december in usa made 2 mln. just with 1 AAA game. PS3 in 2nd part of 2007 will have like 5 AAA titles and more then 10 amazing games. Also may have price cut.

+in europe and japan ps3 always had stronger positions. Btw, + Killzone 2 public beta is coming this year, + GT5 demo or GT5 prologue coming this year, + FFXIII demo coming this year, + probably MGS4 demo may come this year too. Fans of these series will be happy.


 Sorry, but even with all of those positives, I still believe there is no chance of 5 million.  No way, but time shall tell!


People today about ps3 complain only about:

1) Price 2) no games

by the end of this year, ps3 wil have

1) Price Cut (probably) 2) amazign games

Today, ps3 with 1) high Price and almost ) no games doing 200k monthly. Now, think how much sales will increase, when price cut will come and games released? It may sell like wii or even better.

600$ for a system for 5 years is not much, 600 on 60 month = 10$/monthly. But only when games out.



Every 5 seconds on earth one child dies from hunger...

2009.04.30 - PS3 will OUTSELL x360 atleast by the middle of 2010. Japan+Europe > NA.


Gran Turismo 3 - 1,06 mln. in 3 weeks with around 4 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Gran Turismo 4 - 1,16 mln. with 18 mln. PS2 on the launch.

Final Fantasy X - around 2 mln. with 5 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Final Fantasy X-2 - 2.4 mln. with 12 mln. PS2 on the launch.

 

1.8 mln. PS3 today(2008.01.17) in Japan. Now(2009.04.30) 3.16 mln. PS3 were sold in Japan.
PS3 will reach 4 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 25k.

PS3 may reach 5 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 50k.
PS2 2001 vs PS3 2008 sales numbers =) + New games released in Japan by 2009 that passed 100k so far

johnsobas on 05 June 2007

you could do that, or just buy a wii for 250$, or a 360 for 400$...the PS3 doesn't exist in a black hole where everyone is waiting to buy it. There is such a thing as too little, too late. Momentum is gone, PR is worse than ever, people have already been turned away by the price, and developers and gamers are going elsewhere.



currently playing: Skyward Sword, Mario Sunshine, Xenoblade Chronicles X

Smashchu on 05 June 2007

Just beause they are similar, doesn't mean it is the same. it's not. Firstm as everyone has said, there was a 12-18 month gapo with no competition. You also forget Nintendo and Microsoft both sucked up the place. They're launches and life were just a beat down and numerous mistakes. The Wii and 360 have fixed it, and taken advantage of what Sony did right.

I doubt a price drop this year(they still lose money). Even if it happens, the core system will be $500. They also need a Blu-Ray killer app. SpiderMan 3may be that, but with DVDs doing as well as they are it may not be a possibleily yet. The system is just too ahead of it's time, and Sony can't do anything right any more.