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colonelstubbs on 20 May 2008

Well okay...Call of Duty 4 is modern day (hence the name) and thats not plausible...when was the last time a nuclear warhead was detonated!?



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rocketpig on 20 May 2008
colonelstubbs said:
Well okay...Call of Duty 4 is modern day (hence the name) and thats not plausible...when was the last time a nuclear warhead was detonated!?

Chance of nuclear warhead detonating: 1 in 1 million

Chance of cloned soldier dying, having someone take his arm, graft it to another human, and have said deceased soldier take control of original host body:  ...

I think you get my point. 




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colonelstubbs on 20 May 2008
colonelstubbs said:
I like to think that the MGS series is one of the better examples of story driven games, and that despite the rather obvious stretching of this (yes you sons of liberty!) the series' story is credible and certainly more feasable than the likes of Turok or Gears of War (although Gears is probably not the best example to have used...)

A point i acknowledged



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billy07 on 20 May 2008
HappySqurriel said:
colonelstubbs said:
You dont have to be smart to play or enjoy MGS, but it would be a hell of a lot better if reviewers didnt criticise a game for BEING smart

You’re assuming (of course) that Metal Gear Solid is smart, and not an incredibly convoluted story that strains creditability and hides the lack of real insight through the use of unnecessarily complex story elements.

 I think MGS2 is good enough assurance to go by that MGS4 will be damn smart and insightfull.

 



HappySqurriel on 20 May 2008
colonelstubbs said:
colonelstubbs said:
I like to think that the MGS series is one of the better examples of story driven games, and that despite the rather obvious stretching of this (yes you sons of liberty!) the series' story is credible and certainly more feasable than the likes of Turok or Gears of War (although Gears is probably not the best example to have used...)

A point i acknowledged


How many soldiers do you think can jump onto a missle and redirect it so they're safe?

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LongLiveTheBeatles on 20 May 2008

Hey guys remember this magazine is most appealing to casual gamers, therefore, so called cons are pluses to hardcore gamers like us. Especially when the cons are things like a complex story and a ton of shooting.



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Gnizmo on 20 May 2008
colonelstubbs said:
 

Well who the hell complains a story is too complex? Only somebody with a small brain or ADD. That kind of reviewer should stick to reading NUTS magazine.


 So I am going to assume you actually read German then and understand what the guy was paraphrasing. Cause if you don't what you are basing your judgment on is the internet translation of a second hand, shortened review of the game. You might want to redirect your attention to bill007's posts in this thread. The exact complaint seems to be along the lines of the story being too bewildering. In other words, it is probably a convulted mess.



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outlawauron on 20 May 2008
rocketpig said:
TheRealMafoo said:
HappySqurriel said:

I don't disagree that when well done a complicated story can be great ... I won't get into it too much, but I have always felt that the "Great" storytelling in a lot of games like Metal Gear Solid and Final Fantasy is far closer to Van Helsing or Transformers than to good literature or movies.


I agree there. I have yet to play a game that rivals a good movie. Mostly because of pace. The closest would be GTAIV, if you like movies like Goodfellas, or the the TV show The Sopranos.


I think Mass Effect had some of the best pacing for an open-ended story-driven game. It was just enough to make it somewhat believable while keeping it simple enough to not get in its own way.

The last three hours of that game are what I expect from a story-driven game. It ramps up and keeps going right until the end. 

I disagree with these so very much. It had horrible pacing. There would intense firefights and then you would have to walk around for 45 minutes. It was up and down the entire time til the end. (which was awesome!)

 



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rocketpig on 20 May 2008
outlawauron said:
rocketpig said:
TheRealMafoo said:
HappySqurriel said:

I don't disagree that when well done a complicated story can be great ... I won't get into it too much, but I have always felt that the "Great" storytelling in a lot of games like Metal Gear Solid and Final Fantasy is far closer to Van Helsing or Transformers than to good literature or movies.


I agree there. I have yet to play a game that rivals a good movie. Mostly because of pace. The closest would be GTAIV, if you like movies like Goodfellas, or the the TV show The Sopranos.


I think Mass Effect had some of the best pacing for an open-ended story-driven game. It was just enough to make it somewhat believable while keeping it simple enough to not get in its own way.

The last three hours of that game are what I expect from a story-driven game. It ramps up and keeps going right until the end. 

I disagree with these so very much. It had horrible pacing. There would intense firefights and then you would have to walk around for 45 minutes. It was up and down the entire time til the end. (which was awesome!)

I don't remember ever walking around for long periods of time in ME other than the Citadel scenes and you only had to stay there as long as you wanted. It's impossible to perfect an open world game's pacing because it's just that... Open. You can steer off the storyline for hours at a time and destroy the intended pacing of the game. What you have to factor in is the story elements, not all the side quest stuff you can distract yourself with in-game.




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Bodhesatva on 20 May 2008
rocketpig said:
colonelstubbs said:
You dont have to be smart to play or enjoy MGS, but it would be a hell of a lot better if reviewers didnt criticise a game for BEING smart

Methinks you're confusing the words "smart" and "complex".


True, but even "complex" isn't the right word.

Again, "convoluted" would better describe MGS 1/2 to me. That doesn't mean that MGS4 will suffer that same fate, though.

Regardless, "smart" is good, "complex" is neither good nor bad, and "convoluted" is bad. Pretty sure we can agree on that.



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