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Words Of Wisdom on 20 May 2008
SaviorX said:

No longer are they the RPG kings like they were in the SNES & PS1 era. They only have come out with like two games (Kingdom Hearts & Final Fantasy X-XII *correct me if I'm wrong*) ever since. They need to make more IPs for the consoles. I mean damn, where is the love?

Yes, Square hardly puts out any games these days. Why, look at this tiny list of PS2 releases:

Final Fantasy XI
Final Fantasy X-2
Unlimited Saga
Front Mission 4
Front Mission 5: Scars of War
Dragon Quest V
Star Ocean 3: Director's Cut
Star Ocean: Till the End of Time
Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King
Radiata Stories
Musashi: Samurai Legend
Romancing SaGa
Front Mission Online
Drakengard 2
Fullmetal Alchemist 2: Curse of the Crimson Elixir
Fullmetal Alchemist 3: Kami o Tsugu Shoujo
Grandia III
Heavy Metal Thunder
Kingdom Hearts
Final Fantasy X
Valkyrie Profile 2: Silmeria
Kingdom Hearts II
Dirge of Cerberus: Final Fantasy VII
Dawn of Mana
Odin Sphere
Unlimited Saga
The Bouncer
Driving Emotion Type-S
All Star Pro-Wrestling


Pathetic. They should have released at least 50 times that, right?



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Godot on 20 May 2008

I am surprised hearing that from a company that followed Sony so closely we could have tought they are 2nd party. NO the wind has turned and PS3 isn't as dominant as it was. It's no wonder that while they decided to continue to support exclusively the PS3 with their big titles, other companies are taking the 78% market share that are not held by PS3.

Come on, why haven't they started development on a Wii title (aside from Crystal Chronicles) and a 360 title?



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akuma587 on 20 May 2008

Square just knows it needs to look for new opportunities in whatever form they may be in order to remain successful. Square is pretty smart in terms of maintaining their own internal operations.



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Words Of Wisdom on 20 May 2008
akuma587 said:
Square just knows it needs to look for new opportunities in whatever form they may be in order to remain successful. Square is pretty smart in terms of maintaining their own internal operations.

That's why they've almost had to file for bankruptcy multiple times in their company history and would have if not for a few generous donors.



cwbys21 on 20 May 2008
Words Of Wisdom said:
akuma587 said:
Square just knows it needs to look for new opportunities in whatever form they may be in order to remain successful. Square is pretty smart in terms of maintaining their own internal operations.

That's why they've almost had to file for bankruptcy multiple times in their company history and would have if not for a few generous donors.


 How many mulitple times?  I can think of two, before they made the first Final Fantasy and after they released Spirits Within and took a 100 million dollar loss because the people developing it took the Sony route and thought, it has Final Fantasy in the name it will make lots of money.  The first part they ended up making Final Fantasy and everything worked out and the second they ended up merging with Enix.



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darthdevidem01 on 20 May 2008

@cwbys21

About FF:Spirits within

"not people".....but Sakaguchi thought that...later on he couldn't bear the shame & left the company out of guilt.



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SaviorX on 20 May 2008
Words Of Wisdom said:
SaviorX said:

No longer are they the RPG kings like they were in the SNES & PS1 era. They only have come out with like two games (Kingdom Hearts & Final Fantasy X-XII *correct me if I'm wrong*) ever since. They need to make more IPs for the consoles. I mean damn, where is the love?

Yes, Square hardly puts out any games these days. Why, look at this tiny list of PS2 releases:

Final Fantasy XI
Final Fantasy X-2
Unlimited Saga
Front Mission 4
Front Mission 5: Scars of War
Dragon Quest V
Star Ocean 3: Director's Cut
Star Ocean: Till the End of Time
Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King
Radiata Stories
Musashi: Samurai Legend
Romancing SaGa
Front Mission Online
Drakengard 2
Fullmetal Alchemist 2: Curse of the Crimson Elixir
Fullmetal Alchemist 3: Kami o Tsugu Shoujo
Grandia III
Heavy Metal Thunder
Kingdom Hearts
Final Fantasy X
Valkyrie Profile 2: Silmeria
Kingdom Hearts II
Dirge of Cerberus: Final Fantasy VII
Dawn of Mana
Odin Sphere
Unlimited Saga
The Bouncer
Driving Emotion Type-S
All Star Pro-Wrestling


Pathetic. They should have released at least 50 times that, right?


Woah woah woah. Slow down. Maybe I should've said THIS "GENERATION"........and not included KH & FF. I know I said correct me if I'm wrong but, you could've hit me with less examples. LOL

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Words Of Wisdom on 20 May 2008
cwbys21 said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
akuma587 said:
Square just knows it needs to look for new opportunities in whatever form they may be in order to remain successful. Square is pretty smart in terms of maintaining their own internal operations.

That's why they've almost had to file for bankruptcy multiple times in their company history and would have if not for a few generous donors.


How many mulitple times? I can think of two, before they made the first Final Fantasy and after they released Spirits Within and took a 100 million dollar loss because the people developing it took the Sony route and thought, it has Final Fantasy in the name it will make lots of money. The first part they ended up making Final Fantasy and everything worked out and the second they ended up merging with Enix.


Multiple means "more than one" and wasn't there a 3rd time where a significant Sony investment bailed them out of trouble... or was that along with the Enix merger?



Words Of Wisdom on 20 May 2008
SaviorX said:

Woah woah woah. Slow down. Maybe I should've said THIS "GENERATION"........and not included KH & FF. I know I said correct me if I'm wrong but, you could've hit me with less examples. LOL

The Squeenix release list for the DS/PSP this generation is approximately 3-4 times longer than the PS2 one above. I'd rather not have to look all of those up.

For consoles this generation, they haven't done much though. 



cwbys21 on 20 May 2008

@WoW
I think the money from Sony had to do with Spirits Within bombing so bad, and then Sony bought part of Square and then Square merged with Enix.

@Darthdevil
Sakaguchi did believe that but was he the head guy on Spirits Within? Or did he report to someone, because I thought that he decided to put all the money in and convinced his superiors it was worth it. Though after making all those FF games he might have had enough pull to make a bunch of decisions by himself. It's been so long I can't really remember.



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