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Gnizmo said:
FaithRaven said:
dib8rman said:
last time I checked there was no voice chat in WoW...


You must have checked it long time ago because WoW has voice chat for quite a while. In the days when WoW had no voice chat people were still communiting by voice using 3rd party software like Ventrillo.

However a console MMO really NEEDS voice chat compared to a PC MMO where you can go without because you know ... last time I checked consoles had no keyboard.

And WoW being surpassed by a MMO not developed by Blizzard has less chances of happening than PS3 passing Wii in sales, which I find impossible :)


 Last I checked all consoles supported keyboards. There would be no need for voice chat so long as keyboards were supported.


I wish you good luck sitting confortable on your sofa and using the wiimote + nunchuk + keyboard :)

On PCs you use the same controller (keyboard) for both playing the game and communication. Using one controller for playing and another for communication is ...



 

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Starmistkarmic said:
I think console MMO's would be a mistake. Consoles are out for the main reason of playing games. Most PC's are sold for business purposes or for school. MMO players strike me as players who play one game way more than others(if not exclusively). Bearing that in mind, 10 million WoW players are no skin off the PC's back, as it's just a miniscule percentage of the install base and WoW wouldn't hurt the sales off some office app or Windows or whatever. On a console, though, it might be a different story. If a WoW level MMO were to come to a console it might have an adverse effect on the sales of other games should the level of player interest reach those levels. I'm not saying it would necessarily kill a console, but it wouldn't be a welcome development for third party game companies trying to sell games. Or maybe I'm overestimating their drawing power?

 That's a pretty good reason for nintendo never to make one.



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Gnizmo said:
Ail said:
 

That was true 10 years ago..

These days noone doing any kind of raiding would ever consider doing so without voice chat.

When a guild gets created it gets a ventrilo server before it even gets a web site most of the time...

 

Anyway I'm sure some day something will dethrone WoW. All I'm saying is that I doubt it will be on a console.

WoW rocks because players have rewritten any single feature of the game they don't like... You can't do that on a console...

This is my UI, pretty much everything you see on it aside from the chat box at the bottom doesn't ship with Wow.( I know can't see much, stupid resize...)

It's all developped by the modding community..

 


 2.5 years as the default priest authority for a cutting edge raid guild. I know plenty about the WoW raid game. Voice chat helps. Voice chat is not necessary. I have proven it time and time again by refusing to endure the idiocy that was my guilds Vent channel for the entire time it existed. Clever use of macros, and learning how to type within spell cast times makes everything a cake walk. Of course I also used barely more than the base UI to boot. A few mods that made boss fights a thousand times easier sure, but that was maybe 3-4 total. I am not quite the norm though admittedly.


Yes you're probably not the norm but these days I don't think any of the top raiding guild would ever consider recruiting anyone refusing to use vent, I know my guild would not and I know the top worldwide guilds make it a defacto requirement for anyone applying.

Trying to do Sunwell without vent and without any mod is just asking for failing miserably...(between dodging a billion aes and fighting not to waste a GCD people really don't have a lot of time to read chat these days, that is of course not the case for the more casual players although those tends to use mods too, just not the same than the raiders).

The thing is mods allow the user community to make up for the short-comings or the lack of some features in a game. It's a given that any MMO trying to compete with WoW would not be able to spend at the start the same amount of money that Blizzard is spending on Wow which means they will have to provide the player base some ways to do some of the stuff themselves in the meantime...

PS : the best selling game this year isn't going to be GTA4 or WiiFit. It's going to be the next Wow expansion, and by a wide margin at that ( provided chinese release is simultaneous to NA one this time).

 



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

Ail said:
Gnizmo said:
Ail said:
 


PS : the best selling game this year isn't going to be GTA4 or WiiFit. It's going to be the next Wow expansion, and by a wide margin at that ( provided chinese release is simultaneous to NA one this time).

 


Thats a very good point. People forgot about Blizzard releasing a wow expansion and Starcraft 2 (not 100% but still it has many chances to be released this year) when claiming that GTA IV will be GOTY.

 

Ail said:
 

Yes you're probably not the norm but these days I don't think any of the top raiding guild would ever consider recruiting anyone refusing to use vent, I know my guild would not and I know the top worldwide guilds make it a defacto requirement for anyone applying.

Trying to do Sunwell without vent and without any mod is just asking for failing miserably...(between dodging a billion aes and fighting not to waste a GCD people really don't have a lot of time to read chat these days, that is of course not the case for the more casual players although those tends to use mods too, just not the same than the raiders).

The thing is mods allow the user community to make up for the short-comings or the lack of some features in a game. It's a given that any MMO trying to compete with WoW would not be able to spend at the start the same amount of money that Blizzard is spending on Wow which means they will have to provide the player base some ways to do some of the stuff themselves in the meantime...

PS : the best selling game this year isn't going to be GTA4 or WiiFit. It's going to be the next Wow expansion, and by a wide margin at that ( provided chinese release is simultaneous to NA one this time).

 


 I started raiding with the guild long before Vent became prolific within the world so we seemed like dinosaurs near the end. That said, we also had 2-3 deaf/partially deaf healers which meant we all had to resort to typing anyways. I, of course, used the various boss mods just to make an encounter workable.

 Don't get me wrong, just hearing it tends to be a thousand times easier for 99% of the population. Our healer crew suffered dramatically from trying due to people like me who start to tune out various sounds when I focus, and the best of our healers not being able to hear at all. I can't comment on the top-end of WoW these days, of course, since I long ago retired. I can say I have heard the same arguement a thousand times and everytime my guild proved it was workable. Most under-estimate how easy it is to recognize a line of chat and know exactly what it is. The learning curve becomes steeper naturally, but once you learn to recognize the basic shape of the sentence you spend literally a tenth of a second glancing at it before knowing precisely what it says. I can go over this in a lot greater detail if you atually care to debate the pros and cons in PMs rather than clutter this thread more.

 The mod issue for WoW is a huge one though, I concede. You can make an MMO, and have it be successful, without the ridiculous modding community however. A lot of the reason mods are so required for various funtions is because they are so present. An encounter starts to be designed around the idea that a mod is there to do functions x, y, and z. Remove that element and UI mods become much more optional than mandatory.

@FaithRaven:

Wiimote + keyboard. Why would you want to use the nunchuck at all? Wiimote as a halfway decent mouse replacement and leave everything the same. 



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Gnizmo said:
Ail said:
 

Yes you're probably not the norm but these days I don't think any of the top raiding guild would ever consider recruiting anyone refusing to use vent, I know my guild would not and I know the top worldwide guilds make it a defacto requirement for anyone applying.

Trying to do Sunwell without vent and without any mod is just asking for failing miserably...(between dodging a billion aes and fighting not to waste a GCD people really don't have a lot of time to read chat these days, that is of course not the case for the more casual players although those tends to use mods too, just not the same than the raiders).

The thing is mods allow the user community to make up for the short-comings or the lack of some features in a game. It's a given that any MMO trying to compete with WoW would not be able to spend at the start the same amount of money that Blizzard is spending on Wow which means they will have to provide the player base some ways to do some of the stuff themselves in the meantime...

PS : the best selling game this year isn't going to be GTA4 or WiiFit. It's going to be the next Wow expansion, and by a wide margin at that ( provided chinese release is simultaneous to NA one this time).

 

 

@FaithRaven:

Wiimote + keyboard. Why would you want to use the nunchuck at all? Wiimote as a halfway decent mouse replacement and leave everything the same. 


You just said it, "wiimote is a halfway decent mouse" so why not use a real mouse instead?

Keyboard is a no-no for using it on consoles games. Most people play their consoles from their sofas beds etc with no surface in their front where to hold the keyboard.

They day I'll see keyboards used for console games will be followed by the day when mouse is also used and its quite clear that in the 3rd day that console won't exist anymore.



 

FaithRaven said:
 


You just said it, "wiimote is a halfway decent mouse" so why not use a real mouse instead?

Keyboard is a no-no for using it on consoles games. Most people play their consoles from their sofas beds etc with no surface in their front where to hold the keyboard.

They day I'll see keyboards used for console games will be followed by the day when mouse is also used and its quite clear that in the 3rd day that console won't exist anymore.


 Because the Wii lacks mouse support. This is a topic about Nintendo possibly being the best hope for a console MMO. I don't think it would work so well over-all honestly, but there is a chance Nintendo could pull off a succesful MMO.



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