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gebx on 15 May 2008
HappySqurriel said:
gebx said:
Leni said:
Microsoft is happy, whatever happens...... why don't they give up, and focus on pc?

Hi Leni...

What console do you think 90% of Xbox 360 users would of purchased if the 360 didn't exist?? It wouldn't of been the Wii!

PS3 would have double the sales, Bioshock, Mass Effect, Halo, Dead Rising.. and so many other great games... so go ahead wish the 360 out of the market, but then you would basically get no 3rd party support on the Wii just like previous generations.

If anything you should be thanking the 360 for giving developers a great reason to ignore the PS3 and develop on the Wii

 


That's not (necessarily) true ...

Without the XBox 360 on the market, a large portion of the multiplatform and exclusive XBox 360 games would not have been released in 2006, 2007 and 2008 (and may not have been made at all); if the PS3 and XBox 360 didn't have Call of Duty 4, Devil May Cry 4, Grand Theft Auto 4, Assassin's Creed, Oblivion, Bioshock, Dead Rising, Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Vegas, Rockband and several other major third party games how well would have they been able to keep pace with the Wii?

The XBox 360 having never existed would be far more negative towards the "HD Console" market than it would be for the Wii.


I don't understand your logic of the developers not working on the PS3 because the 360 hadn't exist. If anything it would of lowered cost for them since they're just working on one platform. I get why the early games would of been launched a year later since the PS3 was a year late, but Call of Duty 4, Rock Band, Devil May Cry 4 would of been released around the same time.

"The XBox 360 having never existed would be far more negative towards the "HD Console" market than it would be for the Wii."

Its basic Sun Tzu/Art of War theories. Ask Nintendo if they would want to compete against one unified competitor or two opposing competitor beating each other up...



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FilaBrasileiro on 15 May 2008

What I wanna know from Shane is this mysterious Resident Evil game that is coming to the 360 that no one knows about.



Final-Fan on 15 May 2008

Gears of War would probably not exist; saying that all the stuff on the 360's first year would have been out on the PS3 only a year later is not sensible. But Call of Duty 4 and the rest of the big multiplatform games -- especially the ones that were formerly PS exclusives -- would have been on the PS3 and even probably at about the same time as they were in reality.



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HappySqurriel on 15 May 2008
gebx said:
HappySqurriel said:
gebx said:
Leni said:
Microsoft is happy, whatever happens...... why don't they give up, and focus on pc?

Hi Leni...

What console do you think 90% of Xbox 360 users would of purchased if the 360 didn't exist?? It wouldn't of been the Wii!

PS3 would have double the sales, Bioshock, Mass Effect, Halo, Dead Rising.. and so many other great games... so go ahead wish the 360 out of the market, but then you would basically get no 3rd party support on the Wii just like previous generations.

If anything you should be thanking the 360 for giving developers a great reason to ignore the PS3 and develop on the Wii

 


That's not (necessarily) true ...

Without the XBox 360 on the market, a large portion of the multiplatform and exclusive XBox 360 games would not have been released in 2006, 2007 and 2008 (and may not have been made at all); if the PS3 and XBox 360 didn't have Call of Duty 4, Devil May Cry 4, Grand Theft Auto 4, Assassin's Creed, Oblivion, Bioshock, Dead Rising, Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Vegas, Rockband and several other major third party games how well would have they been able to keep pace with the Wii?

The XBox 360 having never existed would be far more negative towards the "HD Console" market than it would be for the Wii.


I don't understand your logic of the developers not working on the PS3 because the 360 hadn't exist. If anything it would of lowered cost for them since they're just working on one platform. I get why the early games would of been launched a year later since the PS3 was a year late, but Call of Duty 4, Rock Band, Devil May Cry 4 would of been released around the same time.

"The XBox 360 having never existed would be far more negative towards the "HD Console" market than it would be for the Wii."

Its basic Sun Tzu/Art of War theories. Ask Nintendo if they would want to compete against one unified competitor or two opposing competitor beating each other up...


I think you missed the point entirely ...

The PS3's first year software library was heavily padded with multiplatform games that were representitive of second year software from the XBox 360 and ports of the XBox 360's first year software. Without the XBox 360 this software would not have existed at this point in the PS3's life, and the entire library would have been dramatically weaker.

On top of this, the lack of a reason to divert resources towards the XBox 360 would have resulted in a greater quantity and quality of PS2 software leading up to (and following) the PS3's launch, which (potentially) would make the Wii's software library stronger (due to second rate PS2 ports).

 

You're thinking that the loss of the XBox 360 would have had no impact on the library of the PS3; this is (obviously) false being that few third party publishers are going to begin games 24 months in advance for the hope of releasing them soon after a system launches.



dabaus513 on 15 May 2008
Xponent said:
I agree with Rath. I'm thinking of buying one myself just so I can play some of my favourite N64 games which are unlikely to ever grace the VC - Banjo Kazooie, Goldeneye, Perfect Dark etc. In terms of emulation, it's pretty hard to beat.

 Wait, you can play old N64 games on the psp?



 

 

 

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Imperial on 15 May 2008
HappySqurriel said:
gebx said:
HappySqurriel said:
gebx said:
Leni said:
Microsoft is happy, whatever happens...... why don't they give up, and focus on pc?

Hi Leni...

What console do you think 90% of Xbox 360 users would of purchased if the 360 didn't exist?? It wouldn't of been the Wii!

PS3 would have double the sales, Bioshock, Mass Effect, Halo, Dead Rising.. and so many other great games... so go ahead wish the 360 out of the market, but then you would basically get no 3rd party support on the Wii just like previous generations.

If anything you should be thanking the 360 for giving developers a great reason to ignore the PS3 and develop on the Wii

 


That's not (necessarily) true ...

Without the XBox 360 on the market, a large portion of the multiplatform and exclusive XBox 360 games would not have been released in 2006, 2007 and 2008 (and may not have been made at all); if the PS3 and XBox 360 didn't have Call of Duty 4, Devil May Cry 4, Grand Theft Auto 4, Assassin's Creed, Oblivion, Bioshock, Dead Rising, Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Vegas, Rockband and several other major third party games how well would have they been able to keep pace with the Wii?

The XBox 360 having never existed would be far more negative towards the "HD Console" market than it would be for the Wii.


I don't understand your logic of the developers not working on the PS3 because the 360 hadn't exist. If anything it would of lowered cost for them since they're just working on one platform. I get why the early games would of been launched a year later since the PS3 was a year late, but Call of Duty 4, Rock Band, Devil May Cry 4 would of been released around the same time.

"The XBox 360 having never existed would be far more negative towards the "HD Console" market than it would be for the Wii."

Its basic Sun Tzu/Art of War theories. Ask Nintendo if they would want to compete against one unified competitor or two opposing competitor beating each other up...


I think you missed the point entirely ...

Or that your point is flawed :)

The PS3's first year software library was heavily padded with multiplatform games that were representitive of second year software from the XBox 360 and ports of the XBox 360's first year software. Without the XBox 360 this software would not have existed at this point in the PS3's life, and the entire library would have been dramatically weaker.

If the XBOX 360 wasn't arround then all development would have been geared towards the PS3 , The PS2 has a great track record and against 1 competitor ( the Wii) the developers would have been queing up for a guaranteed profit and a reliable platform. Without the 360 the PS3 would most definetley have had MORE sofware.

On top of this, the lack of a reason to divert resources towards the XBox 360 would have resulted in a greater quantity and quality of PS2 software leading up to (and following) the PS3's launch, which (potentially) would make the Wii's software library stronger (due to second rate PS2 ports).

Your making the assumption that devleopers would see the PS3 in the same light they do now , Most development resources would have been allocated to the development of PS3 games (you keep on forgetting about the PS2's dominance .in a market with only one competitor even the least talented of Analysts would have predicted the demise of the Wii, they would have made round about the same number of PS2 games however.)

You're thinking that the loss of the XBox 360 would have had no impact on the library of the PS3; this is (obviously) false being that few third party publishers are going to begin games 24 months in advance for the hope of releasing them soon after a system launches.


 



Chadius on 15 May 2008

Yeah, pretty much. MS made a good call going 1 step at a time.

Remember they've only been doing this for 7 years, compared to the other two.



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Dodece on 15 May 2008

Microsoft acknowledges their limitations. I can definitely see how thats a smear upon their reputations. The reality is the hand held market is only going to get more cut throat over time not less cut throat. So unless you are prepared to loss lead hardware, spend huge sums on exclusive development, and have a resolution to the cell phone paradox it probably is better to avoid yet another uphill battle.

Every company needs to choose their battles carefully, and choose what are the most promising. I think Microsoft has a pretty solid understanding of exactly what it would entail to break into the hand held market. They really are better off developing live then a new hand held. They can parlay that into the hand held market at a later date as an operating system for cell phones. Which is what consumers really want. The all in one gadget play games, listen to music, take calls, and use it as a PDA. The only thing really standing in the way is the price.

I am waiting for one of those all in one devices that does everything and has one of those paper thing screens that rolls up. Better to have a all in one gadget, and simply download the games to play.



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Leni on 15 May 2008
gebx said:
Leni said:
Microsoft is happy, whatever happens...... why don't they give up, and focus on pc?

Hi Leni...

What console do you think 90% of Xbox 360 users would of purchased if the 360 didn't exist?? It wouldn't of been the Wii!

PS3 would have double the sales, Bioshock, Mass Effect, Halo, Dead Rising.. and so many other great games... so go ahead wish the 360 out of the market, but then you would basically get no 3rd party support on the Wii just like previous generations.

If anything you should be thanking the 360 for giving developers a great reason to ignore the PS3 and develop on the Wii

 


hi...

i think you are true, Ps3 sales could have been higher, if Xbox360 would never exist,  more graphics based games could be on the Ps3, also GTA IV, and Ps3 could have more chances to win.....

Microsoft helps Nintendo and Wii in some way.....

what i don't like is that they have no new ideas, they bring nothing new to make games better, like Wii controls and Sony's Blu-ray.....



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gebx on 15 May 2008
HappySqurriel said:
gebx said:
HappySqurriel said:
gebx said:
Leni said:
Microsoft is happy, whatever happens...... why don't they give up, and focus on pc?

Hi Leni...

What console do you think 90% of Xbox 360 users would of purchased if the 360 didn't exist?? It wouldn't of been the Wii!

PS3 would have double the sales, Bioshock, Mass Effect, Halo, Dead Rising.. and so many other great games... so go ahead wish the 360 out of the market, but then you would basically get no 3rd party support on the Wii just like previous generations.

If anything you should be thanking the 360 for giving developers a great reason to ignore the PS3 and develop on the Wii

 


That's not (necessarily) true ...

Without the XBox 360 on the market, a large portion of the multiplatform and exclusive XBox 360 games would not have been released in 2006, 2007 and 2008 (and may not have been made at all); if the PS3 and XBox 360 didn't have Call of Duty 4, Devil May Cry 4, Grand Theft Auto 4, Assassin's Creed, Oblivion, Bioshock, Dead Rising, Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Vegas, Rockband and several other major third party games how well would have they been able to keep pace with the Wii?

The XBox 360 having never existed would be far more negative towards the "HD Console" market than it would be for the Wii.


I don't understand your logic of the developers not working on the PS3 because the 360 hadn't exist. If anything it would of lowered cost for them since they're just working on one platform. I get why the early games would of been launched a year later since the PS3 was a year late, but Call of Duty 4, Rock Band, Devil May Cry 4 would of been released around the same time.

"The XBox 360 having never existed would be far more negative towards the "HD Console" market than it would be for the Wii."

Its basic Sun Tzu/Art of War theories. Ask Nintendo if they would want to compete against one unified competitor or two opposing competitor beating each other up...


I think you missed the point entirely ...

The PS3's first year software library was heavily padded with multiplatform games that were representitive of second year software from the XBox 360 and ports of the XBox 360's first year software. Without the XBox 360 this software would not have existed at this point in the PS3's life, and the entire library would have been dramatically weaker.

On top of this, the lack of a reason to divert resources towards the XBox 360 would have resulted in a greater quantity and quality of PS2 software leading up to (and following) the PS3's launch, which (potentially) would make the Wii's software library stronger (due to second rate PS2 ports).

 

You're thinking that the loss of the XBox 360 would have had no impact on the library of the PS3; this is (obviously) false being that few third party publishers are going to begin games 24 months in advance for the hope of releasing them soon after a system launches.


I'm sure a few games would of been pushed back, but released eventually... Bioshock and Mass Effect would of been on the PS3, Gears of War- maybe or not, we'll never know, and the PS3 userbase would be at least 10 million higher. So I don't see how you can say (I might be taking your words out of context) that the PS3 would be a worse shape now if the 360 hadn't been released... Because that's (obviously) false..

 



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