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Forums - Sales - The race to 45nm... PS3 vs. 360

RAZurrection on 14 May 2008
Starmistkarmic said:That's one of the advantages to US companies with a weak dollar. Concievably, MS could cut costs in Others(mainly Europe) and still maintain a realized profits advantage over Sony while making a concerted play at undercutting the PS3's momentum in the region. I'm probably wrong, though...dumb thoughts usually form in my mellon whilst bored.

 Well they already did...but by and large a big 360 price drop was long overdue here

 

PSone - Dropped £100 in 9 months

PS2  - Dropped £100 in 11 months

PS3 - Dropped £125 in 6 months

360 -  Dropped £50 in 21 months



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dallas on 14 May 2008

This isn't really a *race* to 45nm.... more of an issue of just which party would benefit from an early refit the most. Given the RROD issue that has dragged the 360 from being a superstar....to a "meh" , I would think that the 360 would have the biggest incentive to refit earlier.



obieslut on 14 May 2008

like me said before, Sony are well known for being good at stuff like this, so my buck goes on them



Starmistkarmic on 14 May 2008

@Raz
Right, point taken. Thanks!



Squilliam on 14 May 2008

Quick but important point: TSMC who will be fabbing for microsoft has a 40nm, 55nm and a 65nm process. They don't do 45nm AFAIK.



Tease.

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crumas2 on 14 May 2008
rocketpig said:
 

Honestly, I don't see anyone paying that much attention to Blu-ray until Lucas and Speilberg start making movies for the format. On top of that, they need to provide the uber-geek / early tech adopter crowd with fan favorites like LotR.

When those types of movies start hitting shelves in Blu-ray format, then we might see it start to take off. Until then, I think it will plod along with marginal gains. Right now, we're not getting many movies that really take advantage of the format and are over 2 years old.

Shit, I haven't even bought a Blu-ray movie yet. I have rented a few but with the pathetic selection available and the multitude of DVDs I already have, there isn't much point in me dropping $30 to watch mediocre movies like Spider-Man 3 or Resident Evil: Extinction.


Having the right movies on Blu-ray would definitely help the format, but having the players at $400 and up is a road-block for mass acceptance.  I'm waiting for something $200 or less before I move to Blu-ray. 



dallas on 14 May 2008
crumas2 said:
rocketpig said:
 

Honestly, I don't see anyone paying that much attention to Blu-ray until Lucas and Speilberg start making movies for the format. On top of that, they need to provide the uber-geek / early tech adopter crowd with fan favorites like LotR.

When those types of movies start hitting shelves in Blu-ray format, then we might see it start to take off. Until then, I think it will plod along with marginal gains. Right now, we're not getting many movies that really take advantage of the format and are over 2 years old.

Shit, I haven't even bought a Blu-ray movie yet. I have rented a few but with the pathetic selection available and the multitude of DVDs I already have, there isn't much point in me dropping $30 to watch mediocre movies like Spider-Man 3 or Resident Evil: Extinction.


Having the right movies on Blu-ray would definitely help the format, but having the players at $400 and up is a road-block for mass acceptance.  I'm waiting for something $200 or less before I move to Blu-ray. 


Did you read the new edition of Computer Power Users CPU, yet?  Howard stringer did an interview for them, and he says that prices should come down to $299 by the end of this year, and could come down to $199 by the end of 2009.  So.... things are coming along.  Also the prices for the movies are approaching dvds, rather quickly.  Sony is investigating cheaper plastics and such to use for the dvds.



SlorgNet on 15 May 2008
rocketpig said:

It unquestionably puts to bed that rumor the Sony was breaking even on the 40GB PS3. It's obvious that they still have a ways to go because both the PS2 and PSP are still offsetting PS3 losses (and at that, still not making it into the black for the games division).


Oh, they're breaking even on the 40GB hardware, no question, the reason for the losses is software - the PS2 is selling fine, but software sales have tailed off, while the PSP has only 30 million units, which is a limited market. Sony's studios are gearing up for major releases to come, is all.

One of Microsoft's major problems is they don't have the studio network of Sony or Nintendo. Something they need to work on... 



Jessman on 15 May 2008

Does the Wii already run a 45nm?

Or is it a completely different architecture?



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Squilliam on 15 May 2008
Jessman said:
Does the Wii already run a 45nm?

Or is it a completely different architecture?

 

The Wii has chips that are too small to really be bothered with shrinking. Im not sure but they may still be at 90nm. If im right then their next course of action is to combine CPU+GPU and shrink to 65nm.

Tease.