It's just an excuse for kids to never go outside. It's sad that people need this to 'exercise' rather than going out with friends in the fresh air.

Shameless said: It's just an excuse for kids to never go outside. It's sad that people need this to 'exercise' rather than going out with friends in the fresh air.

That's just amazing. It's not enough that the game encourages kids to get off the butts and move around while gaming? It needs to go the extra step, really? This game does more for encouraging kids to be healthy than anyother game made. 

stranne said: I think it should be a bannable offense to outright disrespect the gameplay of games you haven't played.

I don't. I like all the Wii fans here, and to see a few hundered banded for there coments about GTA4 is just wrong. :p

Katilian said: Let's say football (whatever variety) doesn't exist and I create it tomorrow because I'm bored of running laps around a field and want it to be more entertaining. Do that not make football a game because my intent was to make excerise fun rather than make a game that involve exercise? I suppose your view of Wii Fit depends on how you approach it. Each time I play it I try to outdo my previous record, i.e. I make a game of it. Now you could argue that I'm not actually trying to beat the game but myself, but there are hundreds of video games with no ending that all you do is try to beat your previous best. As it also keeps a high score of multiple users, when my girlfriend plays it, she tries to beat my scores, and then I try and beat hers. There are also times I fired it up just to play the balance exercises. While you can argue some of the other parts aren't really games, these are by far. My favourite is the ski jump, which I'll play by itself for 15-20 minutes at a time sometimes, purely trying to beat my last score, not to get exercise or improve my balance (although this may be an outcome of playing). I suppose in a way you are right that it shouldn't be compared to a "video game". Not only does it have gameplay, but it has additional features not found in "video games". In regards to DDR, you are aware that the console versions have Workout modes right? It tracks calories burnt and time played. Now since DDRs sole purpose isn't to entertain, it isn't a game is it, yet you seem to have called it that. I really don't see how gaming based around physical activity and physical activity based around gaming are all that different. Sure the focus of each might be to one side, but that doesn't discount the other side.

 

You can make a game out of anything. I am not saying it won't be fun. I hope it is, as I need the exercise, and I hope it holes my attention long enough to form a habit.

If you were tired of running, and wanted to do something more fun, you would never end up creating football. If the people who made the WiiFit minigames has nothing but pure entertainment in mind, they would probably have created different minigames. The main purpose of the games they did make is to work muscle groups, and produce constant resistance over time. They have to take into consideration that they can't work you to hard, or not work you for to long. All these things play a role in the mini games produces, and yet you compare it against games that do not have these constraints when you review it from the perspective of a game.

Oh, ad for the guy who asked why I give a rat's ass if it's called a game, I don't. I just think the review is pointless. Why do you give a rat's ass why I don't call it a game?

It's funny that I am defending WiiFit, as a B+ is not a valid review, and yet Wii Fanboy's are flaming me.

Grampy said: All this angst over whether something should be called a “real” game or not. OK, call it a prune Danish if it makes you feel better. It’s still going to sell a few zillion copies and sell a zillion or two Wiis to people who will THINK it’s a game. We won’t tell them it isn’t though, why spoil their fun? Why do you give a rat’s ass. Is all this about the fact that this “non-game” just maybe could outsell GTA IV. Oh my God, it’s the end of civilization as we knew it. More people are interested in physical fitness than virtual murder and mayhem. How could we live with that. We might have to slit our not so fit bellies with a virtual sword. Get over it. Nintendogs has also been declared a non-game but that hasn’t kept it from selling over 18 million copies.

You do bring out very good points. Just like in that post. As you have noticed, the "hardcore" wants games to be more immersive and more realistic, and when Touch Generations games arrives and offer you realism and immersion, they suddenly are non-games. Strange. Or is it? All the games that the "hardcore" calls non-games, are definate successes, just look at it, they can see the appeal and that the games are good, so only way to bash them, is to call them non-games. Bad non-games are just called shovelware. Well, it definately is a non-factor, whether Wii Fit is a game or a non-game, it still is interactive entertainment, which pretty much defines as games.

Shameless said: It's just an excuse for kids to never go outside. It's sad that people need this to 'exercise' rather than going out with friends in the fresh air.

Oh, let me tell you a secret, this game is mature game. It's appeal is mostly on adults. For various reasons, adults can't always go to fresh air with friends. We have jobs, kids, responsibilities, household managing and everyone has their own timetables. In the winter it's much more fun to exercise indoors than go out when there's -30 degrees and half a meter of snow.

TheRealMafoo said: Katilian said: Let's say football (whatever variety) doesn't exist and I create it tomorrow because I'm bored of running laps around a field and want it to be more entertaining. Do that not make football a game because my intent was to make excerise fun rather than make a game that involve exercise? I suppose your view of Wii Fit depends on how you approach it. Each time I play it I try to outdo my previous record, i.e. I make a game of it. Now you could argue that I'm not actually trying to beat the game but myself, but there are hundreds of video games with no ending that all you do is try to beat your previous best. As it also keeps a high score of multiple users, when my girlfriend plays it, she tries to beat my scores, and then I try and beat hers. There are also times I fired it up just to play the balance exercises. While you can argue some of the other parts aren't really games, these are by far. My favourite is the ski jump, which I'll play by itself for 15-20 minutes at a time sometimes, purely trying to beat my last score, not to get exercise or improve my balance (although this may be an outcome of playing). I suppose in a way you are right that it shouldn't be compared to a "video game". Not only does it have gameplay, but it has additional features not found in "video games". In regards to DDR, you are aware that the console versions have Workout modes right? It tracks calories burnt and time played. Now since DDRs sole purpose isn't to entertain, it isn't a game is it, yet you seem to have called it that. I really don't see how gaming based around physical activity and physical activity based around gaming are all that different. Sure the focus of each might be to one side, but that doesn't discount the other side.   You can make a game out of anything. I am not saying it won't be fun. I hope it is, as I need the exercise, and I hope it holes my attention long enough to form a habit. If you were tired of running, and wanted to do something more fun, you would never end up creating football. If the people who made the WiiFit minigames has nothing but pure entertainment in mind, they would probably have created different minigames. The main purpose of the games they did make is to work muscle groups, and produce constant resistance over time. They have to take into consideration that they can't work you to hard, or not work you for to long. All these things play a role in the mini games produces, and yet you compare it against games that do not have these constraints when you review it from the perspective of a game. Oh, ad for the guy who asked why I give a rat's ass if it's called a game, I don't. I just think the review is pointless. Why do you give a rat's ass why I don't call it a game? It's funny that I am defending WiiFit, as a B+ is not a valid review, and yet Wii Fanboy's are flaming me.

I do agree that you can make a game out of anything, and that's one of the points people are trying to point out. So what if EA would make a fitness game, like National Fitness Championships, it would have various exercises and EA would have put effort to it, so that every move on screen would imitate real life and your character gains strength, loses weight, gains muscle and developes in skill as you advance but you would control it using a pad. That would be a sports game. Now, Wii Fit does the same as my example above, but with a difference that your real life person gets all the gain and you control the game with your body movements. But, after all, i guess whether the game is a "game" or "exercise program" depends only about how you are going to use it. It's a game for one guy and exercise program for another. Although, you propably quickly focus on it as a game, since it really is fun.

bdbdbd said: But, after all, i guess whether the game is a "game" or "exercise program" depends only about how you are going to use it. It's a game for one guy and exercise program for another. Although, you propably quickly focus on it as a game, since it really is fun.

 

I agree it all depends on how you use it, but where I make a distinction on calling it a game or not a game, is based on what the developer was thinking when they created it.

If EA made an Olympics Game, and the only focus of the game was to make it fun, so for example they don't care if a certain activity gets your heart rate to a level, and keeps it there, or if an activity causes you to rest between them because they were to strenuous, I would call it a game, because fun is the primary focus.

WiiFit does care about those things, and thus when they make the "game", they constrain it in a way to improve your physical well being. That makes it not so much a game, and more an exercise program.

You could use the fictitious EA game to lose weight, or use WiiFit as nothing more than a collection of mini games that use a balance board, but that does not change what it was put on the market to do.

Get people in shape :)

TheRealMafoo said: KBG29 said: I can not believe people are actually going to sit here and tell me that this is a fun (enjoyable or amusing ) game. Or that this board is a innovation in video games. The success of this game and games like Wii sports shows a serious problem with humanity. These are real life activities that you can actually go out and do. It is not that expensive to go by a bat and ball, people will give away a tennis raket if you are interested in tennis. Why are people paying money to do this virtualy when you can do it for real. Wii Fit is even more rediculous than Wii Sports. What are people doing payimng 350 dollars for a workout system that does absolutly nothing. Wii Fit is not a game, the board is not a game. When you play this game you are working out. No one needs a devices to tell them, how to balance, do sit ups, longes, dips, and so on. People that are celebtaring this, have a good time. Just know this is not a win in gaming for Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft, EA, or the gamer, but it is a lose for humanity. P.S. Please note I have NO problem withg the Wii. I think Nintendo has some great GAMES and I think thazt the system was well worth it for the oppertunity to experiance them. I do have a problem with a company that takes advantage of incompatent people. Here is a good list of things for Nintendos your a retard but Wii can help products: 1. Wii Cook 2. Wii Clean 3. Wii Chat 4. Wii Read 5. Wii Educate Sigh.... I will try again, but I am sure I will get flamed... again... IT'S, NOT, A, GAME! It's a piece of exercise equipment. The point of it is to try and be fun, just like a kickboxing class, or a spin class. Now, Spin class is riding a bike like you are in a mountain race. You could just go ride a bike. Kick Boxing, you could just do. If you lived near water, you could get a row boat and row it instead of using a row machine. All these things are an attempt to make getting fit fun. WiiFit is the same thing. As for doing these things in real life, yes, I guess in real life you could try and become an Olympic Ski Jumper, but I would rather not ;)

 Oh hell yea! Just like Call of Duty, pffffffffff... Why would you play a game were people get shot and killed? lol if you want war, just enlist yourself in the army and take a trip to Iraq. Do the real thing man, Call of Duty is overrated you know, all those things could be done in real life.

 

COD4 is a waste of time in people's lives, just enlist and have fun! 

 

@Shameless: "It's just an excuse for kids to never go outside. It's sad that people need this to 'exercise' rather than going out with friends in the fresh air."

 

You should be "ashamed" after making such a ridiculous post. Kids who never go out are those playing WoW. Stop playing WoW. And I'll go against the trend: STOP BLAMING WII FIT!