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LordTheNightKnight on 11 May 2008
naznatips said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
konnichiwa said:
Hmmm this will be probably one of those games that I will buy but probably never will open.

You actually do that?

The only reason I leave some games unopened is as an incentive to complete some other games.


Heh, I don't buy anything that I don't have every intention of completing. I'm a little OCD and complete basically everything I open.


Well then you don't neglect your games. 



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

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Words Of Wisdom on 11 May 2008
sc94597 said:
jake_the_fake1 said:
sc94597 said:
YEs, this game is perfect for the wii. If it went to the ps3 they would whore it off with HD GRAFIX and make it have CG cutscenes, which would ruin the game.

how would that ruin the game? 0.o

Also, the HD graphics will allow for just in game engine cinematics, but in my opinion nothing beats a CG action sequence, it simply can't be done via gameplay to give the same impact of awesomeness that CG can, of course it's got to be done appropriately with a touch of moderation.


The hd graphics would be the main focus of the game like many other sequels to old games. They will work on that ,but forget about everything else. The game wasn't meant for that. There are countless games that got ruined because of this gens graphics and "matureness". Bomberman, and Fallout 3( if it is an oblivion clone) are both examples. The game didn't have CG back then and the sequel shouldn't either.


One of the nicest parts about Skies of Arcadia is that everything in it is done with in-game models and it managed to look amazing anyway.

Intro to Skies of Arcadia:

 

 



jake_the_fake1 on 11 May 2008
sc94597 said:
jake_the_fake1 said:
sc94597 said:
YEs, this game is perfect for the wii. If it went to the ps3 they would whore it off with HD GRAFIX and make it have CG cutscenes, which would ruin the game.

how would that ruin the game? 0.o

Also, the HD graphics will allow for just in game engine cinematics, but in my opinion nothing beats a CG action sequence, it simply can't be done via gameplay to give the same impact of awesomeness that CG can, of course it's got to be done appropriately with a touch of moderation.


The hd graphics would be the main focus of the game like many other sequels to old games. They will work on that ,but forget about everything else. The game wasn't meant for that. There are countless games that got ruined because of this gens graphics and "matureness". Bomberman, and Fallout 3( if it is an oblivion clone) are both examples. The game didn't have CG back then and the sequel shouldn't either.

 

 Skies of arcadia was a dreamcast port, thats why it didn't have GC graphics.

Anyways, why are you so apposed to having HD graphics for this game?
Don't you think this game deserves to look great?

You say their are countless games ruined by next gen graphics but the opposite is true as well, just take Ratchet and clank: tools of destruction, and Burnout: paradise as good examples of this. Also I wouldn't be as harsh on fallout 3 as your being as at the moment we don't really know much on how the game plays untill at least a demo comes out, I mean you could be hating on the game now and then once you try it you could fall in love with it, so lets at least give the devs a chance and see how fallout turns out.



sc94597 on 11 May 2008
Words Of Wisdom said:
sc94597 said:
jake_the_fake1 said:
sc94597 said:
YEs, this game is perfect for the wii. If it went to the ps3 they would whore it off with HD GRAFIX and make it have CG cutscenes, which would ruin the game.

how would that ruin the game? 0.o

Also, the HD graphics will allow for just in game engine cinematics, but in my opinion nothing beats a CG action sequence, it simply can't be done via gameplay to give the same impact of awesomeness that CG can, of course it's got to be done appropriately with a touch of moderation.


The hd graphics would be the main focus of the game like many other sequels to old games. They will work on that ,but forget about everything else. The game wasn't meant for that. There are countless games that got ruined because of this gens graphics and "matureness". Bomberman, and Fallout 3( if it is an oblivion clone) are both examples. The game didn't have CG back then and the sequel shouldn't either.


One of the nicest parts about Skies of Arcadia is that it was done before heavily CG scenes became common place. Consequently everything in it is done with in-game models and it managed to look amazing anyway.

Intro to Skies of Arcadia:

 

 

Agreed. I believe it would ruin the atmosphere of the game if there was CG.

 



sc94597 on 11 May 2008
jake_the_fake1 said:
sc94597 said:
jake_the_fake1 said:
sc94597 said:
YEs, this game is perfect for the wii. If it went to the ps3 they would whore it off with HD GRAFIX and make it have CG cutscenes, which would ruin the game.

how would that ruin the game? 0.o

Also, the HD graphics will allow for just in game engine cinematics, but in my opinion nothing beats a CG action sequence, it simply can't be done via gameplay to give the same impact of awesomeness that CG can, of course it's got to be done appropriately with a touch of moderation.


The hd graphics would be the main focus of the game like many other sequels to old games. They will work on that ,but forget about everything else. The game wasn't meant for that. There are countless games that got ruined because of this gens graphics and "matureness". Bomberman, and Fallout 3( if it is an oblivion clone) are both examples. The game didn't have CG back then and the sequel shouldn't either.


Skies of arcadia was a dreamcast port, thats why it didn't have GC graphics.

Anyways, why are you so apposed to having HD graphics for this game?
Don't you think this game deserves to look great?

You say their are countless games ruined by next gen graphics but the opposite is true as well, just take Ratchet and clank: tools of destruction, and Burnout: paradise as good examples of this. Also I wouldn't be as harsh on fallout 3 as your being as at the moment we don't really know much on how the game plays untill at least a demo comes out, I mean you could be hating on the game now and then once you try it you could fall in love with it, so lets at least give the devs a chance and see how fallout turns out.


 The dreamcast was highly capable of FMV. I don't know where you think I'm complaining about the graphics not being Gamecube at. 

It's more of the older games that seem to be ruined by this imo. It just seems to me that sega has alot to put up with, and if they have to make another hd game, they will have to worry about the graphics too much( because you know games without graphics usually get turned down on the hd consoles) and the gameplay,story, music etc will suffer. 



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Words Of Wisdom on 11 May 2008
sc94597 said:
jake_the_fake1 said:
sc94597 said:
jake_the_fake1 said:
sc94597 said:
YEs, this game is perfect for the wii. If it went to the ps3 they would whore it off with HD GRAFIX and make it have CG cutscenes, which would ruin the game.

how would that ruin the game? 0.o

Also, the HD graphics will allow for just in game engine cinematics, but in my opinion nothing beats a CG action sequence, it simply can't be done via gameplay to give the same impact of awesomeness that CG can, of course it's got to be done appropriately with a touch of moderation.


The hd graphics would be the main focus of the game like many other sequels to old games. They will work on that ,but forget about everything else. The game wasn't meant for that. There are countless games that got ruined because of this gens graphics and "matureness". Bomberman, and Fallout 3( if it is an oblivion clone) are both examples. The game didn't have CG back then and the sequel shouldn't either.


Skies of arcadia was a dreamcast port, thats why it didn't have GC graphics.

Anyways, why are you so apposed to having HD graphics for this game?
Don't you think this game deserves to look great?

You say their are countless games ruined by next gen graphics but the opposite is true as well, just take Ratchet and clank: tools of destruction, and Burnout: paradise as good examples of this. Also I wouldn't be as harsh on fallout 3 as your being as at the moment we don't really know much on how the game plays untill at least a demo comes out, I mean you could be hating on the game now and then once you try it you could fall in love with it, so lets at least give the devs a chance and see how fallout turns out.


 The dreamcast was highly capable of FMV. I don't know where you think I'm complaining about the graphics not being Gamecube at. 

It's more of the older games that seem to be ruined by this imo. It just seems to me that sega has alot to put up with, and if they have to make another hd game, they will have to worry about the graphics too much( because you know games without graphics usually get turned down on the hd consoles) and the gameplay,story, music etc will suffer. 


For reference, I'll post the Dreamcast intro below.  If you have some good eyes, you can easily spot the updates in the Gamecube version.  So they did update the graphics a bit, but they kept the integrity of the design as well.

Dreamcast Intro:




jake_the_fake1 on 11 May 2008
sc94597 said:
jake_the_fake1 said:
sc94597 said:
jake_the_fake1 said:
sc94597 said:
YEs, this game is perfect for the wii. If it went to the ps3 they would whore it off with HD GRAFIX and make it have CG cutscenes, which would ruin the game.

how would that ruin the game? 0.o

Also, the HD graphics will allow for just in game engine cinematics, but in my opinion nothing beats a CG action sequence, it simply can't be done via gameplay to give the same impact of awesomeness that CG can, of course it's got to be done appropriately with a touch of moderation.


The hd graphics would be the main focus of the game like many other sequels to old games. They will work on that ,but forget about everything else. The game wasn't meant for that. There are countless games that got ruined because of this gens graphics and "matureness". Bomberman, and Fallout 3( if it is an oblivion clone) are both examples. The game didn't have CG back then and the sequel shouldn't either.


Skies of arcadia was a dreamcast port, thats why it didn't have GC graphics.

Anyways, why are you so apposed to having HD graphics for this game?
Don't you think this game deserves to look great?

You say their are countless games ruined by next gen graphics but the opposite is true as well, just take Ratchet and clank: tools of destruction, and Burnout: paradise as good examples of this. Also I wouldn't be as harsh on fallout 3 as your being as at the moment we don't really know much on how the game plays untill at least a demo comes out, I mean you could be hating on the game now and then once you try it you could fall in love with it, so lets at least give the devs a chance and see how fallout turns out.


The dreamcast was highly capable of FMV. I don't know where you think I'm complaining about the graphics not being Gamecube at.

It's more of the older games that seem to be ruined by this imo. It just seems to me that sega has alot to put up with, and if they have to make another hd game, they will have to worry about the graphics too much( because you know games without graphics usually get turned down on the hd consoles) and the gameplay,story, music etc will suffer.


 while this is true, we must not forget that the same is true for wii tittles where by non graphicly intense game still suffer from crap gameplay, story, and music, this isn't just isolated to HD capable machines, it's just something that has affected all gameing machines  no matter the generation.

Sega seems like it's trying hard to make it's games good, with the likes of Sonic unleashed, sonic RPG on DS, Yakuza 3, condemened 2, so  perhaps with this trend going on they'll also work hard on SoA and give the graphical face lift it deserves.



sc94597 on 11 May 2008
jake_the_fake1 said:
sc94597 said:
jake_the_fake1 said:
sc94597 said:
jake_the_fake1 said:
sc94597 said:
YEs, this game is perfect for the wii. If it went to the ps3 they would whore it off with HD GRAFIX and make it have CG cutscenes, which would ruin the game.

how would that ruin the game? 0.o

Also, the HD graphics will allow for just in game engine cinematics, but in my opinion nothing beats a CG action sequence, it simply can't be done via gameplay to give the same impact of awesomeness that CG can, of course it's got to be done appropriately with a touch of moderation.


The hd graphics would be the main focus of the game like many other sequels to old games. They will work on that ,but forget about everything else. The game wasn't meant for that. There are countless games that got ruined because of this gens graphics and "matureness". Bomberman, and Fallout 3( if it is an oblivion clone) are both examples. The game didn't have CG back then and the sequel shouldn't either.


Skies of arcadia was a dreamcast port, thats why it didn't have GC graphics.

Anyways, why are you so apposed to having HD graphics for this game?
Don't you think this game deserves to look great?

You say their are countless games ruined by next gen graphics but the opposite is true as well, just take Ratchet and clank: tools of destruction, and Burnout: paradise as good examples of this. Also I wouldn't be as harsh on fallout 3 as your being as at the moment we don't really know much on how the game plays untill at least a demo comes out, I mean you could be hating on the game now and then once you try it you could fall in love with it, so lets at least give the devs a chance and see how fallout turns out.


The dreamcast was highly capable of FMV. I don't know where you think I'm complaining about the graphics not being Gamecube at.

It's more of the older games that seem to be ruined by this imo. It just seems to me that sega has alot to put up with, and if they have to make another hd game, they will have to worry about the graphics too much( because you know games without graphics usually get turned down on the hd consoles) and the gameplay,story, music etc will suffer.


while this is true, we must not forget that the same is true for wii tittles where by non graphicly intense game still suffer from crap gameplay, story, and music, this isn't just isolated to HD capable machines, it's just something that has affected all gameing machines no matter the generation.

Sega seems like it's trying hard to make it's games good, with the likes of Sonic unleashed, sonic RPG on DS, Yakuza 3, condemened 2, so perhaps with this trend going on they'll also work hard on SoA and give the graphical face lift it deserves.


It's for different reasons that wii games suffer. Developers just want to make a quick buck off of it. Sega's games have been recently for the most part good. So we don't have to really worry about crappy gameplay on the wii from sega. I also feel if they give the game HD graphics they would have to change the style it has drastically. Then they won't stop their and put in CG and then it wouldn't be the same atmosphere as the first game. 



jake_the_fake1 on 11 May 2008
sc94597 said:
jake_the_fake1 said:
sc94597 said:
jake_the_fake1 said:
sc94597 said:
jake_the_fake1 said:
sc94597 said:
YEs, this game is perfect for the wii. If it went to the ps3 they would whore it off with HD GRAFIX and make it have CG cutscenes, which would ruin the game.

how would that ruin the game? 0.o

Also, the HD graphics will allow for just in game engine cinematics, but in my opinion nothing beats a CG action sequence, it simply can't be done via gameplay to give the same impact of awesomeness that CG can, of course it's got to be done appropriately with a touch of moderation.


The hd graphics would be the main focus of the game like many other sequels to old games. They will work on that ,but forget about everything else. The game wasn't meant for that. There are countless games that got ruined because of this gens graphics and "matureness". Bomberman, and Fallout 3( if it is an oblivion clone) are both examples. The game didn't have CG back then and the sequel shouldn't either.


Skies of arcadia was a dreamcast port, thats why it didn't have GC graphics.

Anyways, why are you so apposed to having HD graphics for this game?
Don't you think this game deserves to look great?

You say their are countless games ruined by next gen graphics but the opposite is true as well, just take Ratchet and clank: tools of destruction, and Burnout: paradise as good examples of this. Also I wouldn't be as harsh on fallout 3 as your being as at the moment we don't really know much on how the game plays untill at least a demo comes out, I mean you could be hating on the game now and then once you try it you could fall in love with it, so lets at least give the devs a chance and see how fallout turns out.


The dreamcast was highly capable of FMV. I don't know where you think I'm complaining about the graphics not being Gamecube at.

It's more of the older games that seem to be ruined by this imo. It just seems to me that sega has alot to put up with, and if they have to make another hd game, they will have to worry about the graphics too much( because you know games without graphics usually get turned down on the hd consoles) and the gameplay,story, music etc will suffer.


while this is true, we must not forget that the same is true for wii tittles where by non graphicly intense game still suffer from crap gameplay, story, and music, this isn't just isolated to HD capable machines, it's just something that has affected all gameing machines no matter the generation.

Sega seems like it's trying hard to make it's games good, with the likes of Sonic unleashed, sonic RPG on DS, Yakuza 3, condemened 2, so perhaps with this trend going on they'll also work hard on SoA and give the graphical face lift it deserves.


It's for different reasons that wii games suffer. Developers just want to make a quick buck off of it. Sega's games have been recently for the most part good. So we don't have to really worry about crappy gameplay on the wii from sega. I also feel if they give the game HD graphics they would have to change the style it has drastically. Then they won't stop their and put in CG and then it wouldn't be the same atmosphere as the first game.


 Why?

Its not the art style that is being changed, it's the graphics, things like texture resolution, geometry, animations, lighting and shadowing.



sc94597 on 11 May 2008


 

Why?

Its not the art style that is being changed, it's the graphics, things like texture resolution, geometry, animations, lighting and shadowing.

Chances are they will. Some art styles can't look nice in hd unless they are changed drastically. Anyways this is besides the point. We are getting off topic, and I don't feel like discussing it anymore.