I'm not a fat of PH at all...TWW was better in every way.

Because really IMO, in every single aspect TWW was better.

Innovation? The Wind Waker. (sailing, cel shaded ness)

Graphics? The Wind Waker.

Dungeons? The Wind Waker.

Gameplay? The Wind Waker.

Puzzles? The Wind Waker.

Bosses? The Wind Waker.

Controls? The Wind Waker.

Story? The Wind Waker.

Music? The Wind Waker.

Replay value? The Wind Waker.

And as for NSMB, I'm a big fan. Very fun, one of my favorite Mario games.

What about you?

I agree, but I also believe that Galaxy blows away NSMB even more than TWW blows away TPH.

I couldn't stand the temple in PH that you had to keep revisiting. My dirty little secret is that I never beat Phantom Hourglass because of that temple, so maybe my "review" doesn't mean much cause I never beat it.

That said, couldn't put down Wind Waker.

I do think that there are some games on the DS just as good or nearly as good as Wind Waker, like The World Ends With You, or the Ace Attorney franchise games with are both just phenominal. Also, there is a game called Hotel Dusk which is just really great too, on the DS, but it's more expensive due to low quantity printed.

I'm not sure about the DS games, but there are some very, very good ones. I just don't know if I like any better then TWW.

Also, it goes without saying about Galaxy, IMO it's BY FAR the best game ever made  

I completely disagree, for me, Wind Waker ruined the franchise, was worst zelda ever imo, hell, i had more fun playing Castlevania II: Simons Quest, a game i rate much more highly. Also, your point about graphics is shit as DS is less powerful than gamecube so of course it wont be as pretty. Other than that I guess its all a matter of personal opinion, I bet somewhere there is someone who likes Zelda II more than OoT or a link to the past

Of course Wind Waker was better. It was a full scale Gamecube game, not to mention a REAL Zelda.

You expected a handheld spinoff to top it?

I loved Phantom Hourglass. It didn't quite have the epic feeling of the console versions and I was also disappointed by the recycled music. But as a pick up and play handheld game it was fantastic. The new control interface and the ability to write notes was well used and quite innovative.

I was somewhat disappointed by NSMB. I think the old 2d classics were better games. I hated the save system, which I felt was inappropriate for a handheld game.

I really enjoyed both Wind Waker and Phantom Hourglass. I prefer WW but that doesn’t stop PH being a great game; actually PH it's one of my favourite Zelda titles. I had a lot less fun with NSMB, not because it was bad but because I've never been a huge fan of Mario (with the exception of Galaxy which was brilliant). I’d rather play PH over NSMB any day, in fact I’ve completed PH again recently but I haven’t touched NSMB since collecting all the gold coins. Zelda titles just seem to drag me back sometimes

TWW did a lot of things very well, but it also had its incredibly infuriating bits. It comes out ahead of PH if you just run this sort of checklist, but, in my opinion, two elements of TWW end up bringing it down quite a bit.

PH has its repeating dungeon, and I'm not happy about that, but you do that only three or four times and it takes no more than fifteen minutes each time (usually less). Plus, it's only about seven or eight minutes of each run that you're redoing parts you've already seen - there's nothing wrong with any part of that temple when you're seeing it for the first time.

TWW, first and foremost, has some absolutely interminable sailing. You're looking at about a minute of travel time between two adjacent islands, and there are times when you have to go from one end of the map to the other. Even after you get faster transportation, you're still looking at about a minute or two of travel to get most places.

TWW also has a horrible fetch quest. First you have to find nine (!) items, most of which require little more than a quick puzzle or a fight with a roomful of basic enemies but all of which require you to travel to the ends of the earth. Then you have to take all nine items elsewhere and pay exorbitant amounts of money to make them useful (this sometimes requires that you also spend some time treasure hunting). Then you have to go to nine more different sectors in order to listen for music and to tap a button. It takes forever and it's one of the most unrewarding experiences I've ever seen in a game.

PH is a better game than TWW for the simple reason that it doesn't make the player spend something like two or three hours wishing he could get to the next part of the game.

What ? For one that has played ( and completed ) both I could assure you that bosses in PH are a lot more imaginative than the one in WW.

Bosses in WW are nice to see but shallow to play ( at least most of them ).

I was not a big fan of PH, i'm also not a very big fan of Zelda games in general, but from the people i know who love Zelda, PH and WW are the worst Zelda games. I beat most of the third map before i stopped playing, the thought of playing the time dungeon again was just too painful for me, it was one of the worst things i have ever had to do in a game.

I really liked the DS Mario game. I found the levels very fun and some of them are pretty hard too, it was one of the better games i have played. Its been a long time since i played the game so i can't really remember all the good or bad parts, but i remember having fun.