its not technically healthy. Being fat is not a characteristic of humans. Its bad.

Moongoddess256 said: Kasz, no one said men don't get raped by women. Thats why I said I don't know what that has to do with anything. You've been writing essays on something I haven't been arguing against. I provided a quick statistic I found on google because I thought it was a bit ludicrous to be trying to say that women raping men is even remotely as common as men raping women. The only thing I've been arguing is how you all have been saying things that don't tie into the original point... or the beginning of the derailing of this thread at all. Its as if you didn't read what I wrote, or perhaps you read it and misinterpreted it or twisted it. And because of how it was like you were ignoring me completely, I was more than a bit disgusted. I'm kind of glad this thread got derailed though, the only reason why I posted in it was because I was really disgusted with some of the things you people were saying. Theres a difference between voicing your opinion and being disrespectful.

You said.

"Also, I have a little grudge against "men" due to things like sexual assault. Some guys go a little too far to get laid. It doesn't leave a good impression of men in general when guys are willing to go to jail and traumatize a girl just to get their dicks wet. "

Doing so implies that Men are the only people that rape since you have nothing against women despite women being capable and doing the same things. You never once suggested that men don't get raped by women until you posted that statistic which seemed to attempt to minamize it. (Which was biased because of the above reasons)

That statement is what lead to everything.

If you would of replied after that in any way to acknowledge that rape happens to men, and that women are capable of raping and that while it doesn't happen as often is fairly significant, there would be no disagreement instead of trying to marginalize it.

There was no twisting. If that wasn't what you meant, you simply mistated something and then offered no correction when called out on it.

Thats not true I said that. Adult men do not get raped by adult women! That's an urban legend. And even if there are 1, 2 or for all I care 10 cases in the world its still not true as a general statement. The only case you will find in the Internet is about a norwegian man getting a blowjob while sleeping. Or in other words the danger for a woman to be raped is real if small in western countries. The danger for a man to be raped by a man is even smaller but also real in western countries. The danger for a man to be raped by a woman is so near to zero that you can forget about it. Its like your possibility to get to the moon.

So can we please forget about the woman rapes man part of the thread?

Kasz216 said: Moongoddess256 said: Kasz, no one said men don't get raped by women. Thats why I said I don't know what that has to do with anything. You've been writing essays on something I haven't been arguing against. I provided a quick statistic I found on google because I thought it was a bit ludicrous to be trying to say that women raping men is even remotely as common as men raping women. The only thing I've been arguing is how you all have been saying things that don't tie into the original point... or the beginning of the derailing of this thread at all. Its as if you didn't read what I wrote, or perhaps you read it and misinterpreted it or twisted it. And because of how it was like you were ignoring me completely, I was more than a bit disgusted. I'm kind of glad this thread got derailed though, the only reason why I posted in it was because I was really disgusted with some of the things you people were saying. Theres a difference between voicing your opinion and being disrespectful. You said. "Also, I have a little grudge against "men" due to things like sexual assault. Some guys go a little too far to get laid. It doesn't leave a good impression of men in general when guys are willing to go to jail and traumatize a girl just to get their dicks wet. " Doing so implies that Men are the only people that rape since you have nothing against women despite women being capable and doing the same things. You never once suggested that men don't get raped by women until you posted that statistic which seemed to attempt to minamize it. (Which was biased because of the above reasons) That statement is what lead to everything. If you would of replied after that in any way to acknowledge that rape happens to men, and that women are capable of raping and that while it doesn't happen as often is fairly significant, there would be no disagreement instead of trying to marginalize it. There was no twisting. If that wasn't what you meant, you simply mistated something and then offered no correction when called out on it.

Why does her statement have to be some vast conspiracy? Is it possible that her train of tought applied simply to her own traumatic experiences and did not expand that far? Perphaps she is not interested in girls and was simply giving some of her feelings on men. What you are doing, and she said this herself, is not listening. She mentioned something terrible that happened and you went off on an tangent to berate her.

Let me illustrate what you did. This is effectually what you have done:

Imagine if I was to tell you that I have an unrelenting hatred of Drunk Drivers because one skided across 4 lanes of traffic and killed my wife. And then here comes Kasz216 riding on his tangent, and says:

" YOUR TEH BIAZED, NOT ALL PEOPLE WHO CAUSE WRECKS ARE DRUNK DRIVERS!!!!!11!! LOL. Some times sober people cause accidents."

It really doesnt matter, and that would just piss me off.

senseinobaka said: Kasz216 said: Moongoddess256 said: Kasz, no one said men don't get raped by women. Thats why I said I don't know what that has to do with anything. You've been writing essays on something I haven't been arguing against. I provided a quick statistic I found on google because I thought it was a bit ludicrous to be trying to say that women raping men is even remotely as common as men raping women. The only thing I've been arguing is how you all have been saying things that don't tie into the original point... or the beginning of the derailing of this thread at all. Its as if you didn't read what I wrote, or perhaps you read it and misinterpreted it or twisted it. And because of how it was like you were ignoring me completely, I was more than a bit disgusted. I'm kind of glad this thread got derailed though, the only reason why I posted in it was because I was really disgusted with some of the things you people were saying. Theres a difference between voicing your opinion and being disrespectful. You said. "Also, I have a little grudge against "men" due to things like sexual assault. Some guys go a little too far to get laid. It doesn't leave a good impression of men in general when guys are willing to go to jail and traumatize a girl just to get their dicks wet. " Doing so implies that Men are the only people that rape since you have nothing against women despite women being capable and doing the same things. You never once suggested that men don't get raped by women until you posted that statistic which seemed to attempt to minamize it. (Which was biased because of the above reasons) That statement is what lead to everything. If you would of replied after that in any way to acknowledge that rape happens to men, and that women are capable of raping and that while it doesn't happen as often is fairly significant, there would be no disagreement instead of trying to marginalize it. There was no twisting. If that wasn't what you meant, you simply mistated something and then offered no correction when called out on it. Why does her statement have to be some vast conspiracy? Is it possible that her train of tought applied simply to her own traumatic experiences and did not expand that far? Perphaps she is not interested in girls and was simply giving some of her feelings on men. What you are doing, and she said this herself, is not listening. She mentioned something terrible that happened and you went off on an tangent to berate her. Let me illustrate what you did. This is effectually what you have done: Imagine if I was to tell you that I have an unrelenting hatred of Drunk Drivers because one skided across 4 lanes of traffic and killed my wife. And then here comes Kasz216 riding on his tangent, and says: " YOUR TEH BIAZED, NOT ALL PEOPLE WHO CAUSE WRECKS ARE DRUNK DRIVERS!!!!!11!! LOL. Some times sober people cause accidents." It really doesnt matter, and that would just piss me off.

Completely false argument. Drunk Drivers are in a car accident because they are drunk. Male Rapists are not rapists because they are male.

Your comparing them proves my point.

Her aguement would be like saying "I hate black people because one of them caused a wreck that killed my wife."

Except it wasn't even that at first because she didn't mention the assault at first.

All she stated was the equivlenet of "I hate black people because they get in car wrecks that kill people."

Not lets say you read the statement "I hate black people beacuse they get in car wrecks that kill people." Are you really going to let that statement stand?

Now then. Say you say "More people then just black people get in car accidents and car accidents that kill people. I once was in a car accident caused by a white person."

Then that reply is "That's not the same"

What conclusion would you draw... I would say even being the victim of such an account by a person doesn't give people a right to having a stereotyped bias. Gives you a better understanding of why they have that viewpoint, but does not make it excusable.  Stereotypes should never be excusable.

The problem is she presented it as if only males rape.... and the fact that they rape is because they are males. Then never acknoledged the opposite except with a number meant to minamilize the amount.

Had their been a simple. Yes it happens. No arguments would of progressed further. 

For the love of god, you just want the last word don't you?

Are you going to cry because I wish males would make more of an effort to cure the issues that plague their sex? Instead of attacking me why don't you try to prove me wrong. And I don't mean being a tool and writing an essay why what some guys do is justified because girls do it too. I mean going out and being a good person, and maybe encouraging others to do the same.

Moongoddess256 said: For the love of god, you just want the last word don't you? Are you going to cry because I wish males would make more of an effort to cure the issues that plague their sex? Instead of attacking me why don't you try to prove me wrong. And I don't mean being a tool and writing an essay why what some guys do is justified because girls do it too. I mean going out and being a good person, and maybe encouraging others to do the same.

When did I ever say anything was justified? The whole reason i brought this up is because i believe no rape is justified nor is any sort of sexual assault and it pisses me off when people treat it as if it's some sort of male disease that only men commit BECAUSE that takes part of the blame off the individual.

You are the one giving the justification by claiming it's a male only problem that men commit because they are men.

Why not just simply say. Both Men and Women can and do rape and sexually assault people and it is NEVER justified.

What is so wrong with that? That's all i'm looking for from you and that's all i've been argueing. All you've been doing otherwise is maginalize the pain that men have under the same circumstances.

It's not an issue that plagues the sex. It's an issue that plagues society. Society is why rape is such a problem. The reason why most rape happens by men isn't because men are men.

It's because of the position Men have been placed in for society... and because people treat rape as if it's something men do because they are men. Society is also why it's often times even harder for a man to go through it then a woman... which is why it pisses me off when people try to marginalize the effect of people being raped.

It seems you are the one that misinterpreted my statements if you think I endorse rape. I actually think in some cases the end result is worse then murder.  Until I had others that I cared about to the point of where i think they'd be screwed without me i would rather be murdered than raped.

How you seemed to be justifying it: It was really that zim guy who was doing that. You just backed him up and thus were in the same bandwagon. He was trying to prove that I shouldn't be fearful/hateful because chicks have done it to men before... at least thats what he ended up doing. Its the kind of logic a child would present to their parents. A false justification.

Zim was proving nothing with his flawed logic. Except that he was a jerk. You can never prove a persons emotions wrong because emotions are exactly as a person experiences them.

 Edit: damn you edited.

"Why not just simply say. Both Men and Women can and do rape and sexually assault people and it is NEVER justified.

What is so wrong with that? That's all i'm looking for from you and that's all i've been argueing. All you've been doing otherwise is maginalize the pain that men have under the same circumstances."

 Because I'm kind of pissed that you brought that into the topic in the first place. Its like trying to get me to admit to being wrong when I never said anything wrong in the first place. Don't punish me for something I didn't do. I mean. Thats just obvious. I'm not an idiot. And stop talking down to me like that as if I am.

 

Moongoddess256 said: How you seemed to be justifying it: It was really that zim guy who was doing that. You just backed him up and thus were in the same bandwagon. He was trying to prove that I shouldn't be fearful/hateful because chicks have done it to men before... at least thats what he ended up doing. Its the kind of logic a child would present to their parents. A false justification. Zim was proving nothing with his flawed logic. Except that he was a jerk. You can never prove a persons emotions wrong because emotions are exactly as a person experiences them.

Sorry if you feel that way, however that isn't how I saw it.

How I saw it.

You started off by simply stating you don't like Men because they comit rape. (No one at this point could tell you were sexually assualted.)

He says women can do the same thing, and offered up the closest example that has happened to him Sexual Harrasment.

and that women only do it less because of the way things are in the world. (which I agree with.)

Then you said his entire statment was stupid, and that it wasn't the same thing. Suggesting basically that either A. Women don't rape men and that's as far as it goes. or B. What a woman does to a man does not count. Then you brought up a rape and an attempted rape. Which would explain the above ideas somehwat, but would not excuse them.

Then he got pissed off... which I imagine I would be if I offered up cases where I was sexually harrassed and it really bothered me and someone treated it as if it was nothing. (Which is a huuuuuge problem, espiecially among men who are harrased or sexually assalted. As stated in most peoples mindes, men don't get raped by women, they get lucky.)

This also pissed me off and I got involved in the arguement.

If you reread his posts I think you'll see that as well. Reread his posts and it seems fairly obvious that the situations that happened to him actually bothered him. Including the account where a woman tried to slip her hands under his pants. (which i'd call a form of sexual assualt, not as extreme as rape, but it'd right piss me off.)

I see no attempt by him to justify any sort of rape or sexual assault. Just someone who was frustrated at also being hassled and having nowhere to vent and then being even more pissed off when their situations were marginalized as no a big deal.

Had it seemed otherwise I would likely have been on your side of the aguement. This isn't a case of "women do it to" like you find on your usual feminist blog. (by which i mean... just about every single one if you've ever been to one.  It's quite a headache.)

Dude, I know a guy who got technically raped by a chick before. Now it wasn't really violent, It was more of a driving him to the middle of nowhere and saying "I'm not driving you home until you F*** me"

Shes pretty infamous in this area for a variety of reasons. Its not like people just said oh its ok because shes a girl. Everyone hates her for the things she does.

Just so you know I know it happens. It just generally results in less injuries and just plain less common.