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ZenfoldorVGI on 09 May 2008
twesterm said:
Bodhesatva said:

It's like when men say that it's not very important how a girl looks, it's the inside that counts -- and then we're confronted with a smart, kind, but homely girl, and we see who actually means it and who doesn't.


But it isn't important how a girl looks! Also, you aren't fat and I would never look at porn. I mean the plot and acting are just so terrible!


Edit: Oops, I misconstrued what this comment was about. Ignore this post please.

I don't need your console war.
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor.
You're power hungry, spinnin' stories, and bein' graphics whores.
I don't need your console war.

NO NO, NO NO NO.

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Rock_on_2008 on 09 May 2008
ZenfoldorVGI said:
Graphics don't matter(to a gamer that I would respect). There is no limit of how fun and addicting games can become. A game with 2 stick balls battling each other could be better, have a better story, and look better than Killzone 2. If you can't understand what I'm talking about then honestly, you haven't thought long enough about what I'm saying, or it's beyond your ability to comprehend.

Bad games are bad games, but not because they have bad graphics. Good games are good games, but not because they have good graphics. As long as you hold that as the truth then your damage control of "well graphics can make a good experience better" simply doesn't hold water.

Graphics can make a good experience worse also, can they not? Just look at games with overly ambitious graphics like Mass Effect, where popins and load times keep that game from earning the respect it deserves.

This really isn't an argument to me. It's just silly. I'll steer clear. T-wes is dead on, but it's been said so many times, at this point I'm like, "Yeah, and the sky is blue too, so what's new?"

 If graphics do not matter at all.  Why not just keep playing Pong, Pac man and Space invaders?



ZenfoldorVGI on 09 May 2008
Rock_on_2008 said:
ZenfoldorVGI said:
Graphics don't matter(to a gamer that I would respect). There is no limit of how fun and addicting games can become. A game with 2 stick balls battling each other could be better, have a better story, and look better than Killzone 2. If you can't understand what I'm talking about then honestly, you haven't thought long enough about what I'm saying, or it's beyond your ability to comprehend.

Bad games are bad games, but not because they have bad graphics. Good games are good games, but not because they have good graphics. As long as you hold that as the truth then your damage control of "well graphics can make a good experience better" simply doesn't hold water.

Graphics can make a good experience worse also, can they not? Just look at games with overly ambitious graphics like Mass Effect, where popins and load times keep that game from earning the respect it deserves.

This really isn't an argument to me. It's just silly. I'll steer clear. T-wes is dead on, but it's been said so many times, at this point I'm like, "Yeah, and the sky is blue too, so what's new?"

If graphics do not matter at all. Why not just keep playing Pong, Pac man and Space invaders?


Because gameplay evolves, not just graphics. Also, new experiences in gaming are what I'm all about.

 

Now, if they came out with pong that had an epic storyline, and a BFG then I'll be all upon it. 



I don't need your console war.
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor.
You're power hungry, spinnin' stories, and bein' graphics whores.
I don't need your console war.

NO NO, NO NO NO.

donathos on 09 May 2008

Everybody likes good graphics, and most men that I know think Paris Hilton is pretty hot (though some disagree).

At the same time, some people have more on their mind than looks. To those, good graphics do not a game make, and we might actually turn down a date with Paris. (Well... maybe not....)

It happens everywhere and in every genre, and I don't want to over simplify things, but it tends to have to do with a person's intelligence (or perhaps wisdom).

Children eventually graduate from books with pictures to those without; the smarter can make this transition more quickly. There are those movie-goers who can't see past special effects, and those that can (and some who don't mind when a film is in black and white). The ability to imagine, and abstract, enable some to get past the surface of things... but there are others who lack in those abilities.

This is a wild presumption on my part, but I would guess that the same people who consider graphics the most important aspect in video games, are usually uncomfortable with black & white movies and are drawn to looks over all else in dating. I would guess that they don't read much, and generally skew on the younger side of gamers.

This has nothing really to do with "the console wars" -- there are all kinds in every camp -- but is a general trait. Some people can see past the surface and some can't. "Graphics whores" are how 'those who can't' show up in video games. That's it.



ZenfoldorVGI on 09 May 2008
donathos said:
Everybody likes good graphics, and most men that I know think Paris Hilton is pretty hot (though some disagree).

At the same time, some people have more on their mind than looks. To those, good graphics do not a game make, and we might actually turn down a date with Paris. (Well... maybe not....)

It happens everywhere and in every genre, and I don't want to over simplify things, but it tends to have to do with a person's intelligence (or perhaps wisdom).

Children eventually graduate from books with pictures to those without; the smarter can make this transition more quickly. There are those movie-goers who can't see past special effects, and those that can (and some who don't mind when a film is in black and white). The ability to imagine, and abstract, enable some to get past the surface of things... but there are others who lack in those abilities.

This is a wild presumption on my part, but I would guess that the same people who consider graphics the most important aspect in video games, are usually uncomfortable with black & white movies and are drawn to looks over all else in dating. I would guess that they don't read much, and generally skew on the younger side of gamers.

This has nothing really to do with "the console wars" -- there are all kinds in every camp -- but is a general trait. Some people can see past the surface and some can't. "Graphics whores" are how 'those who can't' show up in video games. That's it.

Well said sir, and an excellent analogy.



I don't need your console war.
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor.
You're power hungry, spinnin' stories, and bein' graphics whores.
I don't need your console war.

NO NO, NO NO NO.

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Bodhesatva on 09 May 2008
Rock_on_2008 said:
ZenfoldorVGI said:
Graphics don't matter(to a gamer that I would respect). There is no limit of how fun and addicting games can become. A game with 2 stick balls battling each other could be better, have a better story, and look better than Killzone 2. If you can't understand what I'm talking about then honestly, you haven't thought long enough about what I'm saying, or it's beyond your ability to comprehend.

Bad games are bad games, but not because they have bad graphics. Good games are good games, but not because they have good graphics. As long as you hold that as the truth then your damage control of "well graphics can make a good experience better" simply doesn't hold water.

Graphics can make a good experience worse also, can they not? Just look at games with overly ambitious graphics like Mass Effect, where popins and load times keep that game from earning the respect it deserves.

This really isn't an argument to me. It's just silly. I'll steer clear. T-wes is dead on, but it's been said so many times, at this point I'm like, "Yeah, and the sky is blue too, so what's new?"

If graphics do not matter at all. Why not just keep playing Pong, Pac man and Space invaders?


Or Chess?  Or Go?

I do still play those games, and so do millions -- literally millions -- of other people. And I still play CS 1.6, an 11 year old game. I obviously can't speak for Zenfolder, but I think my "anti-graphics-whore" credentials are more than proven. 

Heck, I have a PS3, and my favorite games for it thus far are Super Stardust, PixelJunk Monsters and Echochrome, none of which even attempt to push the PS3's hardware to its limits (although Stardust does look nice. Also, Echochrome is fantastic and I strongly recommend it to any PS3 owners here).  

 



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Rock_on_2008 on 09 May 2008
ZenfoldorVGI said:
donathos said:
Everybody likes good graphics, and most men that I know think Angelina Jolie is pretty hot (though some disagree).

At the same time, some people have more on their mind than looks. To those, good graphics do not a game make, and we might actually turn down a date with Angelina. (Well... maybe not....)

It happens everywhere and in every genre, and I don't want to over simplify things, but it tends to have to do with a person's intelligence (or perhaps wisdom).

Children eventually graduate from books with pictures to those without; the smarter can make this transition more quickly. There are those movie-goers who can't see past special effects, and those that can (and some who don't mind when a film is in black and white). The ability to imagine, and abstract, enable some to get past the surface of things... but there are others who lack in those abilities.

This is a wild presumption on my part, but I would guess that the same people who consider graphics the most important aspect in video games, are usually uncomfortable with black & white movies and are drawn to looks over all else in dating. I would guess that they don't read much, and generally skew on the younger side of gamers.

This has nothing really to do with "the console wars" -- there are all kinds in every camp -- but is a general trait. Some people can see past the surface and some can't. "Graphics whores" are how 'those who can't' show up in video games. That's it.

Well said sir, and an excellent analogy.


 Paris Hilton= yuck. Replace her with Angelina Jolie  and now you are talking.

*Fixed 



Rath on 09 May 2008
Rock_on_2008 said:
 

If graphics do not matter at all. Why not just keep playing Pong, Pac man and Space invaders?


 My favourite games are Roguelike dungeon crawls, most of which don't even have graphics up to the standard of Pac Man, Space Invaders or Pong. They use purely ASCII.

Some of us really aren't graphics whores =P

 

Oh and its scientifically proven that guys decide whether they want to have sex with a girl within the first few seconds, I'm pretty sure that this idea is carried over to graphics whores who decide they want to own a game the moment they see a screenshot. How else did Lair sell a bunch of copies despite its controls tremendous sucking. 



makingmusic476 on 09 May 2008

Nary a word, however, is said about how the thing will actually play.


He acts as if dozens of journalists didn't get a chance to play the game two days ago. And gameplay should be experienced, not talked about.

Killzone 2 is a bad example, because two of it's three showings involved extensive gameplay demos, pointing out things like the lean-and-peek system, etc.



epsilon72 on 09 May 2008

How could anyone possibly think Paris Hilton is hot??? Then again, I'm not much of a fan of Angelina Jolie either. Too......manly.