I not asumming a that PS3 will be market leader, within 5 years. That will be the Wii. What I am saying is that the PS3 eventually will out sell 360. 

Only if the Playstation 3 gets more exclusives.

Well, either you didn't do the analysis you propose or I don't understand your point.

Take Japan, since worldwide data is not available for the three systems PS, PS3, GC and you see how the start is very, very similar. Granted both PS and GC were brand new systems and didn't capitalize on past systems, but you can also argue PS3 price point and aggressive difamation campaign are holding it down.

http://vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons1=PS&reg1=Japan&cons2=PS3&reg2=Japan&cons3=GB&reg3=Japan&align=1 

The argument about the catalog makes no sense, PS3 catalog is bad after six months, but not any worse than that of any console I've had after only six months from launch.

Actually, PS2 or Wii were/are even worse and they had/are having a hell of a launch success. PS2 in Europe was launched very expensive (450 EUR in Spain 7 years ago), it took more than 1 year to sell in significant numbers. I guess this is the main problem. About the 360, I see a very similar system bet to the one Dreamcast did, I much preffered first party titles from Sega but then MS is a much stronger company financially and some people love their catalog, that's what makes me think it will not take the path Sega took. Also Sega suffered an early PR attack from Sony claiming PS2 could move 70M polygons when Sega claimed 1M. One year later, when PS2 launched, it proved to be only slightly better than the Dreamcast, since their 70M were theoretical and with no effects at all applied, but it was too late, people had waited for the big, great, missile commander PS2.

What I think it is worse in this case is that Sony inflated expectations about their console, assuming a big risk but they were successful at that. Nowadays it is about unfairly trashing PS3 capabilities and hiding x360 big problems (red ring of death being the king of them). That is a much dirtier tactic and annoys me 10 times more.

Besides, I did buy a Dreamcast and a Gamecube and never a PS2, I don't like lies no matter where they come from. I thought it was common not to like lies but evidence proves me wrong.

I wasn't talking about initial launch success/falure ...

I was talking about how a console that has become established as the market leader sells compared to consoles with greater processing power later in its life.

http://vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons1=PS&reg1=Japan&cons2=N64&reg2=Japan&cons3=DC&reg3=Japan

http://vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons1=PS&reg1=Japan&cons2=N64&reg2=Japan&cons3=DC&reg3=Japan&weekly=1

As you can see from the second chart the N64 and Dreamcast (generally speaking) sold worse on a week-to-week basis as compared to the Playstation inspite of the fact that they both were affordable systems (less than $200), had excellent exclusive games, and were far more powerful systems.

Beyond that, I would be hesitant to compare any living console to the Playstation in terms of sales because the Playstation (effectively) had no real competition until the N64 was released (due to massive mistakes by Sega) and the N64 was hated by third party developers.

People who say that any system will make a comeback because of it's hardware: What history are you basing this on? Do you realize that not once in the history of gaming has the most powerful system/system with the best graphics won the system war. Not once. In fact, the PSone and the PS2 were both the weakest in their generations. I can't believe how often I see that ridiculous "the better hardware will win" argument. HD penetration or not, I'm almost positive that the outcome of this generation has already been determined. It will be Wii, Xbox 360, PS3. The only thing that hasn't been determined is if the PS3 will even survive the next 5 or 6 years to the end of the generation. And, for the record, it won't be Nintendo that gives up on their console first to start the 8th generation. The fate of the PS3 (to die or just rest with bad/mediocre sales at last place) will be determined by their willingness to cut the price and soon. I'm sorry but it's time to admit that a big mistake has been made and chop the price off before it's too late. I don't hate the PS3, and I don't want it to die, but looking at video game history: it's a very scary situation for Sony. I know that they can still pull out of this but they need to do it soon. Their sales aren't much better than the Saturn's sales (which hit their first cap about about 5.5-6 million, around where the PS3 will be this year). So, in answer to your first question. No, nothing will help the PS3 but a price cut of at least 100 bucks, probably 200.

The simple equation that explains how this console race will end is $250 360 > PS3. It is possible the PS3 may be capable of better looking and more expansive games in 2009-10 than the 360 and in theory the price of the 2 may be closer ($200-300 vs $300-400). However, the 360's software library is already far more impressive than the PS3's and given the current sales that won't change by 2009-10. By the time the PS3 can get close enough to the 360's price to matter the key determinant, game library, will be heavily stacked in the 360's favor. Also, gamers will be wowed by trailers of upcoming 720 and Super Wii games at that point so any graphical advantage the PS3 has won't be noticeable.

Your better used the title Wii helps PS2. Wii games that get a port to PS2 and make the console life of the PS2 longer;.

Wii games cant be ported to PS2. Contols are far too different. PS2 games can be adapted to Wii, or wi games can be butchered to PS2

Good comparison. Just like the Concorde, the PS3 is over budget, late to market, lacking features originally promised, overpriced, and... Really overpriced.

Seriously though, this comes down to price and games. That's it. Stop blaming the media, stop blaming "inferior systems" (even though Sony won twice with this strategy... most ironic), stop blaming anything outside of Sony. If Sony had met a $400 price point and launched GoW2 on the PS3, we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

They built this house, let them live in it for awhile. Maybe they'll learn something and come back in generation 8 with a Microsoft/Nintendo killer.

It's actually an excellent point when worded correctly. The success of the Wii so far has really stolen all of the 360's momentum and really stalled out its sales early this year, which gives the PS3 a chance and some time to catch the 360 eventually.