I just hope their next system will be their best yet, I hope for them at least.
But I disagree with some points. These details of their next console are all very hardcore oriented, and I'm sure it won't happen.

I agree with most of this. I think it will be stronger than both PS3 and XB360 in raw computing power. And yes, it will be HD. Though I wonder if it will be more than 720p. I bet it won't be 1080p. I also wonder if it will come with HDMI output. I guess that it will have what basically is a DVI output coupled with a component output, and that an add-on cable will allow to connect to HDMI or component. I have doubt if component or composite will come as default in the box. It may still be composite.
What I mean with the DVI output, is that they won't have HDCP, so they won't output 1080p. Actually, I'm convinced of that.



I don't think it will be exactly like the PS1-PS2 effect, but similar.
Anyway, all the most successful franchises on the Wii will be known before the launch of Nintendo's next console. Like the DS, those will probably mostly be japanese games, as the western devs prefer to stay on Windows API and powerhouse console. Given Sony orientation toward western games this gen, this basically means that the Wii IMHO will quickly become the posterchild of japanese games. So next-gen, the split will be even more visible between console games genres and design.



This I can pretty much agree with. This will be more like the NES-SNES effect you talked about previously, which is different from the PS1-PS2 effect IMO. To me, NES restarted the industry, brought new gamers, which is why Nintendo's name was associated with gaming for so long. PS brand just improved on what already existed, without bringing new gamers. They just all switched to PS2, from where they were before. This became apparent when lots of PC only games (like FPS) started appearing on PS2.



I'm pretty sure it won't have a harddrive. Harddrive is a hardcore thing. Consumer products with harddrive are for hardcore. Yes, even iPod. So I think this console will have a big internal flash memory (like 8 GB), but won't have a harddrive. A harddrive just breaks far faster than a flash drive for this kind of use (storage mostly read). Besides, Nintendo will feel threatened as soon as you can store a game's content in memory, for piracy reason.
8 GB is enough to support any console MMO, all can be designed around 1 GB.
Most people understand flash products, as they're easy to handle and use, and can endure lots of abuse. Harddrives are all the contrary.




They will inovate, or die, as the Wii can last 20 years if they don't out innovate it. Unfortunately, their games can't have a sequel for 20 years without people noticing and getting bored. So they'll have to innovate.
Like I said before, the Wiimote is not there to provide accuracy. Accuracy is for simulation, and simulations are hardcore things, and difficult to handle, as they're striving ro be like real life. That's not fun. So no, accuracy is not a problem with the wiimote. The only people that cal it gimmick are bitter people that fail to see Nintendo's strategy (and all got pawned anyway). I don't know how they will improve the wiimote, but reaction time of the sensors are the most likely areas.




This I completely disagree with. I'm sure that it won't have DVD playback, as that makes no sense, and brings nothing to the console value, and I'm also pretty certain they will still use DVD discs. I'm also pretty certain they will still use Dolby Prologic IIx for the sound. There's a possibility for them to add Dolby Digital support, but really I'm not sure. It would take too much place on a DVD disc anyway.



I think you meant: "the new system will be easier and cheaper to develop for than HD games this gen". If that's so, the I agree.



I wonder if they will ever be able to make me buy their next system at launch again. The Wii was a first, it was a feat, but can they make that again?
Anyway, given how it's shaping up, and given my preference in games, I'm pretty sure my next console will be a Nintendo one. The two others just are too much western oriented for my taste.

I can definitely agree with a thread that claims Nintendo's next console will be better than their current one when it so blatantly ignores that nothing has even been announced about the system.

sc94597 said: greenmedic88 said: I doubt far superior. Of course cost to performance is simply measured by time. The longer you wait, the cheaper you'll be able to produce the same product. Within the next few years, it should be very possible to produce a PS3 equivalent hardware unit for anywhere between $200-300 (retail cost, not manufacturing cost, allowing for a reasonable profit margin per unit). Speaking for myself personally, if the next gen Nintendo console had the same graphical capabilities as the PS3 or 360, even three or more years from now, I'd be satisfied. Besides, Nintendo's successful angle this generation was not on the basis of making the most technically advanced system. I see no reason why they'd decide to change policy next generation and try to sell the most technologically advanced console yet seen at a price few are willing to pay. That was Sony's angle with the PS3, and no one will argue that was the winning ticket. I agree, but nintendo doesn't want people complaining TEH GFX ARE LAST GENZ. I think they will also try to keep close to their competitiors in terms of graphics, just so 1 we don't get ports from this gen 2 more 3rd parties that care about graphics will make wii2 games. Anybody who says it will be = to or > than the ps360 are kidding themselvses, because even the wii is an improvement over last gen, and the next gen console will be too.

I don't think Nintendo really cares about those complaints.

If core gamers are complaining that the graphics are the equivalent of donkey balls, so long as they're selling better than anything else, it doesn't bother them. Nintendo takes pride in the fact that their simplified hardware strategy at a consumer friendly price was a success, even if they didn't actually predict their success would be this big.

And I agree, anyone who believes Nintendo is going to turn around the next generation and release a piece of hardware that is the most advanced (and expensive) console on the market is kidding themselves. That was not the formula for success this generation, and it won't be next generation either. Nintendo wouldn't bank on that kind of risk for the sake of hardware boasting rights. 

 

It will definitely have better graphics. Both for the DS and Wii. A must buy for me...

greenmedic88 said: sc94597 said: greenmedic88 said: I doubt far superior. Of course cost to performance is simply measured by time. The longer you wait, the cheaper you'll be able to produce the same product. Within the next few years, it should be very possible to produce a PS3 equivalent hardware unit for anywhere between $200-300 (retail cost, not manufacturing cost, allowing for a reasonable profit margin per unit). Speaking for myself personally, if the next gen Nintendo console had the same graphical capabilities as the PS3 or 360, even three or more years from now, I'd be satisfied. Besides, Nintendo's successful angle this generation was not on the basis of making the most technically advanced system. I see no reason why they'd decide to change policy next generation and try to sell the most technologically advanced console yet seen at a price few are willing to pay. That was Sony's angle with the PS3, and no one will argue that was the winning ticket. I agree, but nintendo doesn't want people complaining TEH GFX ARE LAST GENZ. I think they will also try to keep close to their competitiors in terms of graphics, just so 1 we don't get ports from this gen 2 more 3rd parties that care about graphics will make wii2 games. Anybody who says it will be = to or > than the ps360 are kidding themselvses, because even the wii is an improvement over last gen, and the next gen console will be too. I don't think Nintendo really cares about those complaints. If core gamers are complaining that the graphics are the equivalent of donkey balls, so long as they're selling better than anything else, it doesn't bother them. Nintendo takes pride in the fact that their simplified hardware strategy at a consumer friendly price was a success, even if they didn't actually predict their success would be this big. And I agree, anyone who believes Nintendo is going to turn around the next generation and release a piece of hardware that is the most advanced (and expensive) console on the market is kidding themselves. That was not the formula for success this generation, and it won't be next generation either. Nintendo wouldn't bank on that kind of risk for the sake of hardware boasting rights.

It could be the most powerful while staying cheap Like I said before. The gamecube was cheaper to make than the ps2 , and sold cheaper, yet being more powerful. Nintendo is really good at making very cheap hardware that is strong and reliable. I see no use in not making it equivalent to their competitors in power unless they are going to inovate something again that makes it keep selling. If the ps360 had better graphics, and motion controls( this most likely will happen) then what do you think people are going to buy. The cheaper price wouldn't mean anything, because price is only one factor in buying a product, and if it did mean something the gamecube would have won last gen. So nintendos next console will be more powerful than current ones. How much more is determined on if they will inovate or not.

 

I just don't understand the points some people are disagreeing on here:

-Storage space: Every time a console manufacturer has released a new system, it's used a much larger storage medium. The only exception is Microsoft, and we all know the woes that's caused them with developers.

-Graphics: before this generation, Nintendo has always made graphically-capable machines that didn't cost much. When they were developing Wii, they were in dire straits in the console world. They were getting smoked by Sony, and were stuck in a hissy-fight with a NEWCOMER (and lost it). They needed a system that wasn't just cheap, but SO cheap that they could make a nice profit on it even if they sold 5 million lifetime. This necessitated focussing more on the interaction than console power. They will be able to make a graphically-capable system next gen that is cheaper than its' competitors (even if it's the 'PS2' graphically to the PS4's 'Xbox').

When the DS came out, it was seen, graphically, as a GOD among handhelds. I got mine with Mario 64 and the Metroid Prime Hunters demo, and I was like "OMGOD! THREEDEE GRAPHICS ON A HANDHELD! THAT'S AMAZING!" They didn't go into the handheld space intending to be the weakest--on the contrary, Sony went overboard in that area in an attempt to crush Ninty out of the market. That wasn't meant as an insult to PSP, just saying that Nintendo did intend the DS to be powerful for a handheld.

So why wouldn't they be able to make a graphically-capable machine in the next-generation?



-Hard Drive: I think all Soriku meant here was that they would have a large amount of storage space.

the PS4 and next Xbox will be stronger anyway, so it will be again like this gen that the Nintendo is less powerfull, plus, next gen the Nintendo maybe won't be the only console with motion sensing and those kind of controls, so ........

thekitchensink said: I just don't understand the points some people are disagreeing on here: -Storage space: Every time a console manufacturer has released a new system, it's used a much larger storage medium. The only exception is Microsoft, and we all know the woes that's caused them with developers. -Graphics: before this generation, Nintendo has always made graphically-capable machines that didn't cost much. When they were developing Wii, they were in dire straits in the console world. They were getting smoked by Sony, and were stuck in a hissy-fight with a NEWCOMER (and lost it). They needed a system that wasn't just cheap, but SO cheap that they could make a nice profit on it even if they sold 5 million lifetime. This necessitated focussing more on the interaction than console power. They will be able to make a graphically-capable system next gen that is cheaper than its' competitors (even if it's the 'PS2' graphically to the PS4's 'Xbox'). When the DS came out, it was seen, graphically, as a GOD among handhelds. I got mine with Mario 64 and the Metroid Prime Hunters demo, and I was like "OMGOD! THREEDEE GRAPHICS ON A HANDHELD! THAT'S AMAZING!" They didn't go into the handheld space intending to be the weakest--on the contrary, Sony went overboard in that area in an attempt to crush Ninty out of the market. That wasn't meant as an insult to PSP, just saying that Nintendo did intend the DS to be powerful for a handheld. So why wouldn't they be able to make a graphically-capable machine in the next-generation? -Hard Drive: I think all Soriku meant here was that they would have a large amount of storage space.

I agree. And since nintendo's next console IS going to be HD next gen, we may even see some type of propreity hd disc, hd-dvd, or blu-ray in the next console. This goes to your storage space part.

Also an example of nintendo going from graphically inferior to graphically superior was the nes to snes. The nes was 5 years behind everything else, while the snes was up there in the graphics department. The reason of this was because nintendo was trying to change gaming, the same thing they are doing with the wii. The difference between the WII 2 and the other consoles won't be as much as it is this gen.

 

@Ajax You know that for sure? You say it as it's fact. Even if they are stronger, which you can't know until they release information on the consoles, the difference won't be like this gen.  

so if the next Nintendo is not the only one with special controls, and is again less powerfull than the next PSX and Xbox, then I'll wonder what will happen..

Ajax said: so if the next Nintendo is not the only one with special controls, and is again less powerfull than the next PSX and Xbox, then I'll wonder what will happen..

Well there is 3rd part support going to the next one, it will be cheaper, and the motion controls would most likely be better on the wii 2 because of the experience, but other than that I would say it would be a much more close fight than this gen. Nintendo wouldn't take the chance though and the minimum lvl of graphics would be above the ps3 even if it's not that much. It would matter how much weaker the console would be.