I meant to add to the second to last paragraph "The Wii-mote isn't completely controllable in the games as well to a persons standards. Sometimes you have to move in a way so that the gameplay can respond and carry out an action. (going back to the grapple example)"

Hey let's compare Uncharted and Zelda with Crysis!!!!

Nex Gen Consoles Not Immersive confirmed!!!

Seriously, better graphics and audio quality do help, but they're not the main attribute to determine immersion... it's the design that does it. Several very old games have better atmosphere and are more immersive than pretty much most of this gen's game, if not all.

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Yeah Crysis looks fantastic...and apparently playing Crysis has effected the way I view my Wii games according to some folks...you think I would of noticed it tho? For that matter its a wonder people can continue with their real lives after playing Crysis! 

In all seriousness, this idea that a difference in detail is a difference in quality is a farce to begin with. But it becomes even more meaningless when you compare a game that is trying to be gritty and real with a game like Zelda that isn't.

The disconnect is the idea that realism = better in all cases. In the case of most shooters it works but that is just one genre. With an adventure game like Zelda and Uncharted there are many different styles to choose from and those examples are going completely different routes.

@ Million ok lol first you said your not going to argue then you compare me to apparently random hd whore number 51 who is afk at the moment.

Look it's all about competition, you get wrapped up in beating the other person.

My Co-Workers wife bought a Wii and over the weekend they played Wiisports as a family, I warned him about the boxing from before.

He came back talking about how he wasn't going to let his wife beat him and how tired his arms were.

So I guess I must not be alone, I hate how complex you appear to make yourself. I mean come on, that arguement is saying that every game before HD wasn't immersive, hell I don't even know by what definition your viewing immersive under, like wtf how can immersion be accomplished through visuals alone, the stills are retarded because even tetris was immersive I know for a friggin fact pac man was and is immersive.

This entire debate is moot because what were debating is simply 1 of the many tools within the structure of an "or" arguement that can be coined with immursive qualities.

You've heard people talk about games and ports where they just slap waggle on, well clearly those games aren't immersive, hell Mario Party 8 was immersive so is Wii sports and Wii play.

Look at Street Fighter 2 Turbo or Marvel vs Capcom 2, those are very immersive titles that have little to do with graphical amazment, it's competition either and especially with another player or against the computer. The urge to win forces you into the game.

If you can't appreciate that then I don't know what to tell you, just leave to arguement alone is my best statement if this is true.

I'll be honest, I find that level of detail distracting. All I can envision is a group of terrorists wandering up on the hero while he's just looking at a rock. They level their guns at him and ask him what he thinks he's doing and he just looks at them with a happy grin and points at the trunk of a tree; "have you ever stopped to just... look at a tree? It's so amazing, man... this is just such an immersive experience... you should try it... you don't know what you're missing..."

I dont feel like typing out a massive paragraph but here are the games I think are immersive and interactive. Figure its easier.

Immersive:
Final Fantasy
GTA (minus 1 and 2)
Half-Life
Resistance
Halo
Gears
Unreal
WoW
Warcraft
StarFox
Harvest Moon


Interactive:
echochrome
SSB
Mario Party
Wii Play/Sports
Street Fighter
Peggle
Poker
Racing games

Every time you guys do a subjective thread I find myself cought in a semantical anomally, I just cant understand wtf is going on.

I'm going to sleep, when I get back I know I'm going to find out the definition of interactivity and immersion.

I honestly think graphic whores are just using the wrong word for what they have in their mind.

BTW Cod 4 is Immersive not because of it's graphics but because of it's game play factors.

If your going to argue graphics equal immersion you will have to explain one of the worst games of 1983, Dragons Lair. Graphics of the game blew everything away for the date but the game made no sense, the controls were nearly random with a series of actions to make your moves but these had little sense to them. Immersion seems hard to reach in my opinion when your most common response to the actions your character is taking is, "What the hell am I doing." I guess you could think of that as being lost in the game, as I sure felt that way in it, but it is not immersion as you absolutely have no feeling of being involved in the game, being connected to it, being part of it.

If your not sure please go find an arcade that has Dragons Lair or Space Ace and blow 20 bucks figuring out how immersing they are. Night.