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Naum said:
A Wii game who gets a 7 or 8 from a so called "core gamer" can be translated to a 9 or a 9.5 for a "casual gamer"

very, very true

well said



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krik said:
mesoteto said:
yet it still manages to move insane amounts of *Nintendo* software

 Fixed


dont do that.

dont fix things plz.



Proud member of the Fierce Fox Force.

 

"I strike spurs onto my Wii controller. And against Sony and MS I fling myself,
unvanquished and unyielding. 'O Wii!!!"

-The Nintendian Philosophy

LordTheNightKnight said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
LordTheNightKnight said:

I did read, but I was addressing that point another way.


Then let me reiterate. People can tell when a game isn't fun. They may not know that there's a name for those kinds of games (shovelware), but when they can go to the store and begin buying from a selection that is 60-70% shovelware compared to good games... their opinion can get determined pretty fast.


"even worse, giving uneducated consumers the opinion that ALL Wii games are shovelware."

That was the point I was commenting on. You may think it works that way, but it doesn't. If it did, the DS would not have survived its first couple of years, as the shovelware ratio was high too.

So far, the only people with this opinion are people looking these doom and gloom articles, and not recognizing them for the fanboy drivel they actually are.

Now if you want to talk, show me proof that SALES of games lean 60%+ in favor of shovelware, not just the presence of games.


If I had a camera, I would go to Best Buy and take a picture of their Wii games exhibit.  It's away from the middle off to the side next to the movie (almost out of the games section!) and for every Super Mario Galaxy you can see at least 4 "shovelware" (as per the article's description) titles. 

If you want proof then go out and add up the sales of all the "shovelware" games on the Wii.  I'm guessing the figures would be quite astonishing.  ^_^



BTW, words, are you basing that 60-70% ratio on that graph, that claims the Wii has only 11% of good games?

Please tell me you have a credible source for that ratio you are claiming.

EDIT: I corrected it to percent. 



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

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LordTheNightKnight said:

BTW, words, are you basing that 60-70% ratio on that graph, that claims the Wii has only 11% of good games?

Please tell me you have a credible source for that ratio you are claiming.

EDIT: I corrected it to percent.


Of course not. That percentage was hyperbole made for the purpose of emphasis.  If it was solid fact, I'd have a graph or source to go along with it.  Guaranteed.



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Words Of Wisdom said:
LordTheNightKnight said:

BTW, words, are you basing that 60-70% ratio on that graph, that claims the Wii has only 11% of good games?

Please tell me you have a credible source for that ratio you are claiming.

EDIT: I corrected it to percent.


Of course not. That percentage was hyperbole made for the purpose of emphasis. If it was solid fact, I'd have a graph or source to go along with it. Guaranteed.


But you're trying to support an actual worry with hyperbole. That's called a logical fallacy. You're trying to argue that consumers would buy bad game after bad game until they give up the Wii, but you have no real evidence for this.

In other words, you shouldn't be this worried. You are just buying the bashers' BS. 



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

they argument again... **leaves thread**



SSBB FC: 5155 2671 4071 elgefe02: "VGChartz's Resident Raving Rabbit"   MKWii:5155-3729-0989

And even the arguement, those shovelwares and ports sales, it only shows one thing on this generation, the market is changing, wether 3rd party developers accept it or not. Japanese developers knows this, since they came from Japan and everyone knows what happened there. I hope westerners didnt suffer the same fate as Japan but when with these current thing going we wil ended up just playing handhelds.



end of core gaming days prediction:

 

E3 2006-The beginning of the end. Wii introduced

 

E3 2008- Armageddon. Wii motion plus introduced. Wii Music. Reggie says Animal crossing was a core game. Massive disappointment. many Wii core gamers selling their Wii.

 

E3 2010- Tape runs out

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/march2009/ICG_Tape_runs_out.jpg

LordTheNightKnight said:

But you're trying to support an actual worry with hyperbole. That's called a logical fallacy. You're trying to argue that consumers would buy bad game after bad game until they give up the Wii, but you have no real evidence for this.

In other words, you shouldn't be this worried. You are just buying the bashers' BS.


Lack of evidence does not indicate an incorrect position, merely a lack of proving it. People posited the idea that the world was round many centuries before there was proof but I guess they were victims of a logical fallacy as well.  How silly of them.

If it's idle worry on my part, awesome. That's terrific. All those "shovelware" games I see at Best Buy surrounding the two copies of Super Mario Galaxy they have must be figments of my imagination. I guess it'd be silly to think people buy them...



Words Of Wisdom said:
LordTheNightKnight said:

But you're trying to support an actual worry with hyperbole. That's called a logical fallacy. You're trying to argue that consumers would buy bad game after bad game until they give up the Wii, but you have no real evidence for this.

In other words, you shouldn't be this worried. You are just buying the bashers' BS.


Lack of evidence does not indicate an incorrect position, merely a lack of proving it. People posited the idea that the world was round many centuries before there was proof but I guess they were victims of a logical fallacy as well. How silly of them.

If it's idle worry on my part, awesome. That's terrific. All those "shovelware" games I see at Best Buy surrounding the two copies of Super Mario Galaxy they have must be figments of my imagination. I guess it'd be silly to think people buy them...


But you didn't admit you had no evidence at first, only when I brought it up. That says "covering your ass" to me.

BTW, ancient supposition that the world was round was based on actual calculations and observations (you'll have to look it up though). So there was some evidence, even back then.

So no, you have no real argument here. Lacking evidence may only prove lack of evidence, but the fact is that you were presenting your worry as legitimate, which DOES need evidence. You have no basis for this worry, and the fact that other hit systems had a high percentage of shovelware, is proof against your worry.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs