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TheRealMafoo said:

Ok, so I hear a lot of people comparing OoT to GTA4 in terms of "best game ever". Here is why I think GTA is far better then OoT.

First off, I think people really mean "Best game for its day" when they say "Best game ever". If OoT were released today, exactly as it is, and it was the first time you ever saw it, you would laugh it away as shovel ware.

But it's not, it was released a decade ago. Back then, it was fresh and new, now that there are various zelda clones out there, of course it wouldn't have the same impact as before, it'd be the one considered the clone. That'd be like saying what if GTA3 was released today, would it still have the same impact (knowing that crackdown and saints row has already passed)?

There is no question it was a good game for its day, but hardware gets better, budgets get bigger, creative minds get more creative. Most games today, even middle of the road games, outshine OoT today.

You will be saying the exact same thing in 10 years time about GTA4, what you forget is that at the time, Zelda was a huge leap forward and a culmination of everything Nintendo had been building upto since the first NES game. Where as GTA4 is simple just the culmination of everything R* has learnt since GTA1, it wasn't a huge leap forward in gameplay (sandbox was done by GTA3) and the 3rd person cover system with combat is hardly original (though it's still done well).

So, let's talk about how good it was for its day. It came out in 1998, and was an action-adventure game on the N64. on the PC in 1998 , we had Baldur's Gate, Half Life, Quake II, Thief: Dark Project, Starcraft, Fallout (1997), fallout 2, Unreal, Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six, Myth II, and Falcon 4.0.

Every one of those games, from a technical perspective, was years ahead of OoT. You could not compare PC games to Console games back then, as PC's cost a lot to make, and you just could not make a piece of consumer electronics that had enough horsepower for the price. Also, a lot of those games (Starcraft and Falcon 4.0 mainly), are played by hundreds of thousands of gamers. They are not played as nostalgia to a time when they were young, they are still the definitive game for those genres.

I doubt anybody would dispute the importance of those PC games in video games history, but you can't fairly compared a game with "infinite" replay value like starcraft with a single player 40+ hour experience like OoT. That'd be like me saying that because I still play one of the PS1's winning eleven games regularly (I own alot of the later releases on the PS2) that it is a better game than say Final Fantasy 7, which I play on random occassions rarely, just because I still play it now regularly.

Today is different. Spend any amount of money you want, and take any video/computer game you like, and there is nothing today that outshines GTA4.

I'm sure you could have made the same comment (maybe not graphics wise) about OoT when it first came out.

Let's hope in 10 years, someone (hopefully me :p), will make the same comparison with whatever is out compared to GTA4. This is a great time to be alive, and be a gamer! :)

 


Just to summarise and the main reason OoT> GTA4, if you talk about impact, innovation, steps forward for the industry and the core game (taking away all we've come to learn about graphical technology and AI over the last 10 years), OoT is definitively better than GTA4 and OoT's importance to gaming history is much greater than GTA4's.

OoT was a step forward in gaming and the franchise (most obvious is the jump to 3D) as well as the culmination of everything Nintendo had been working towards since the series began. It's probably the same reason why Final Fantasy 7 is the most popular game in the franchise, because it shares those characterisitcs (a leap forward, accumulation of everything square had worked towards)

The same can't be said about GTA4, while truly a awesome game, it wasn't exactly a leap forward in gaming, you could however say that it was a combination of everything that makes games of this type great, but honestly it just had a tonne of polish. But where it lacks is innovation, even though many games will copy the formula and certain aspects of gameplay, it doesn't have that defining feature that changed the way we think about games (i.e Mario 64 and the first user controlled camera, GTA3 with the sandbox, OoT with the standard of how action games should/could be played in 3d).

I guess the only thing we can all agree on is that hopefully it won't take another 10 years for another game to challenge for "the greatest game of all time".



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OoT is one of the best games of its day? Super Mario 64, Goldeneye and Mario Kart 64 were definitely better games IMO than OoT back in 1998 era. Half-Life and Starcraft were better than OoT.
Games 10 years ago even two years ago do not even compare with the latest games of today.



Gnizmo said:
Bodhesatva said:
 

And yet, all research indicates that people today are no more happy than people 20 years ago, 50 years, or more.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7336336.stm
http://www.princeton.edu/~ceps/workingpapers/125krueger.pdf
http://www.worldwatch.org/node/1785

Absolutely every single piece of research I have ever seen -- ever -- indicates that we have not gotten happier as we have gotten richer, fatter and more comfortable. There are literally hundreds of studies done on this precise subject, and they have all reached effectively the same conclusion, in every one I've read.

In other words, you are wrong.


That is a very interesting point that I totally agree with. It has nothing to do with my comment of course, but it is interesting none the less. Happiness is not synonymous with fun. Having kids will make you very happy. Having kids will not always be fun. Being married can make you very happy. Being married is not always fun.

In other words, your links have nothing to do with what I said.


I disagree.  "Fun" is nothing but short term happiness.  Afterall you can't really have fun if you aren't happy. 

Even in your depressed or upset about something when you have fun you forget your problems and therefore for a short period of time are happy.

 



Kasz216 said:

 


I disagree.  "Fun" is nothing but short term happiness.  Afterall you can't really have fun if you aren't happy. 

Even in your depressed or upset about something when you have fun you forget your problems and therefore for a short period of time are happy.

 


Short term is the key there. Most studies that have been done go for long term fun, and not short term. The few studies done on the effects of wealth on short term happiness suggest that money can make you happier. When someone wins the lottery, as an example, their happiness shoots through the roof for a few months before settling back down. Happiness is very quirky like that. It is a side effect of being a self-report only measure like pain.

And while all fun causes happiness, not all happiness is caused by fun. The two are fairly well correlated, but it is far from perfect. You certainly can't use a study showing happiness trends to prove anything related to fun without a lot of extra work.



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trestres said:
@pearljammer: Ok fair enough, my bad. I thought you were dissing me.
Sorry about that english its not my first language, though its not an excuse.

I meant that he is calling GTA4 the best game of all-time without having finished it.
And of course no person in the world is able to play all the games, I can jsut base my opinion on the games Ive played as well as everyone alive in the entire world.
Maybe I have missed the best game of all time, but I consider OoT the best, and GTA franchise is overrated and utterly boring (As ive said in all GTA threads) IMO so I wont even have to play to base an opinion on it.

Just as he gives his opinion, well Im giving you mine now.

No harm done. 

I certainly agree with you that calling a game 'the best game ever' before getting that far into it, may be just a little premature. But I guess that it comes down to personal preferance as you have mentioned... For me, it'd either be Super Mario World, A Link to the Past or FFVI/IV, while they may not have the mass acceptance as the 'best game ever', they are certainly miles above everything else to me.

Am I the only one who enjoys neither GTA or OoT? 



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Do you mean Ocarina of Time? That game was timeless, why compare it to GTA IV? I never played it but many people says its great and thats a agame that never forgotten why with the comparing?



end of core gaming days prediction:

 

E3 2006-The beginning of the end. Wii introduced

 

E3 2008- Armageddon. Wii motion plus introduced. Wii Music. Reggie says Animal crossing was a core game. Massive disappointment. many Wii core gamers selling their Wii.

 

E3 2010- Tape runs out

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