JRPGfan said:
Zkuq said:
Almost completely agree with you and the parts I'm not convinced about are not worth arguing over. In particular I'd like to note that I've read reports about why Iran hasn't developed a nuke, but it's great someone said it out loud here as well. JRPGfan said:
The IAEA International Atomic Energy Agency found Iran to have over 60%+ enriched uranium (back in early-mid 2021) (last allowed visit by iran). Then they detected "particles" nearby enrichment plants of over 83% in 2023. In 2025 they suddenly had stockpiled more than 400 Kg of enriched uranium (over 60%). latest intelligence is they have over 450 kg now.
At ~90% enrichment you can make a modern day nuke. (you can make one with lower %, but its effect won't be as drastic, and will need more material (kg))
Also you need around 25kg to make a functional nuke. ~450 kg is enough to make ~18 war heads (if enriched to 90%). if they settle for making a dirty / poorly made nuke, at like 60-70%, they would need like ~40kg each. Still enough to make 10 such weapons.
You only need 3-5% enrichment for a nuclear power plant to work. If they were not trying for nukes, why did they enrich uranium that high? Why are they not allowing scientists that do these "check-ups" access anymore? So like all the data is now from traitors and spies, and like satellite detection ect.
Esp. after being told, not to do so. That them having nukes would not be allowed.
So can we stop the "they were not trying to make nukes" theories? or the "they have been years away from making them, forever" ?
They where obviously going ahead with it, and were getting closer as time went by. *edit:
I just wanted to say that the US probably didn't want it to come to this. They tried striking a deal with them, first (before this strike).
They did everything they could to slow down or disrupt their research, over the years. Ei. fed them faulty intel, hardware, software hacks, assassinated a few of their researchers. Iran kept at it, and were still progressing though slowly. |
Do you really think Iran was incapable enough to not have reached nuke capability by now, despite the efforts to slow them down? I don't believe it even for a second. I think they were going for being close to be able to create nukes because even that creates some leverage and allows for taking the final steps if absolutely necessary, but I don't think they really wanted to go for nukes all the way (see SvennoJ's post). |
They probably wanted to do just want you said. (or maybe they only needed a few, to finish the jews off) The thing is, even that was too much for the US to accept.
The minuet they went over 20% imo, they flew too close to the sun. If your found to have over 60% in 2021, and potentially over 83% enriched a year or two lateron. Yeah... and stockpiling like 450kg of it.
Can you blame the US? At that point your Poking the bear.
The US has been telling them for 20years they are not allowed to develop nukes. They spend all that time saying they aren't or don't plan too, but do so anyways.
Whatever their motives or plans.... that is too close for comfort. It flies in the face of the US telling them "no, your not allowed".
Also at some point, do you even trust them not too? (make nukes) (it'll just stay at 83% forever.... because... trust me bro!) (not to mention, I think you actually can make nukes, without it being enriched that high.... .it just isn't as "effective")
If they kept saying they weren't doing anything, but you have proof they were (enrichment % keeps going up and up). How much can you trust insane islamist that promote terror, and paid for it, and often threaten the world?
Do you want them to have nukes? |
OK, I'm glad we're finally on the same page about Iran's aim regarding nukes. Anyway, diplomacy is always an option. I don't know how credible the reports were, but the reports I've seen indicated that Iran was willing to make a relatively reasonable deal regarding their nuclear capability. If not particularly threatened, I'm fairly confident that under Khamenei's rule, Iran wouldn't have developed a nuke since they haven't so far either. Under future leaders, that's a different question.
Regardless, I think this was just Trump smelling blood due to Iran's weakness and wanting to capitalize on that. After Trump, the US will probably want to stay away from a major conflict with Iran, but Iran might see how their sovereignty has been violated when they didn't have nukes and end up going for nukes after all. The way I see it is that Trump has a quick short-term 'solution' to the issue, but since he's not willing to go all the way for a regime chance because it would require committing to an attack on the land if necessary, he's risking making it worse in the long term if a regime change isn't happening.