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SvennoJ said:
Zkuq said:

Developing nukes can't possibly take 15 years, even with some setbacks. Iran must have consciously chosen to not take the final steps. If Iran finally decided to actually pursue nukes, it was because of the strikes last summer, and guess who did that? If there was any urgent threat, it was because of Trump. If this was more of a future thing, e.g. for the time after Khamenei's death, that's another thing, but it was also not urgent.

I say this is Trump wanting to leave a mark, and triggering a regime change in Iran would definitely be one way to leave a mark. Trump is old enough to probably care about his legacy a lot, and his legacy until the start of his second term probably wasn't particularly notable. Before his second term, he would probably have been remembered as the president that stirred up the pot and not much more.

It reportedly was Khamenei that forbid the pursuit of nuclear weapons.

Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei maintained a long-standing public stance against nuclear weapons, issuing a
fatwa in the early 2000s declaring their development and use "haram" (forbidden). He consistently argued that such weapons contradict Islamic principles and are unnecessary for Iran's security.

True or not, Iran has reportedly been weeks away from Nuclear weapons for decades.

Since at least 1992, Netanyahu has claimed Tehran was only 3–5 years away from producing a nuclear bomb.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has claimed Iran is on the verge of developing nuclear weapons for over three decades, with specific warnings of an imminent, short-term threat—often mentioned as "months" or "weeks"—gaining prominence around 2012
https://news.un.org/en/story/2012/09/421552


Murdering Khamenei opens the door for Iran to actually develop nukes. No doubt his successors have been advising him that nukes are essential for defense. No better proof now.


Anyway it never was about nukes, it's about removing the last opposing force from the ME and weakening Iran-China and Iran-Russia relations. Turning Iran into another unstable Lebanon / Syria / Yemen / Iraq is Netanyahu's dream. Netanyahu already moved the goal posts from nukes to ballistic missiles, any nuclear deal would not have stopped this.


Trump knows he's close to death and has become a rambling fool only about his legacy, from begging for peace prices to leaving his mark on the White House by adding a ballroom, to creating a 'Board of Peace' and getting his son in law to turn Gaza into the 'Riviera of the ME'.

He's certainly leaving a legacy as a thief, war criminal and pedophile, destroying US soft power, the illusion of US democracy and likely the US economy as well. Trump will be remembered as the president that ended US hegemony. Yet for now he still has command of the world most powerful army. A very dangerous combination.

How many more countries will Trump bomb

Based on reported military actions since taking office in January 2025, the Trump administration has engaged in bombing or direct military strikes in at least 6-7 countries, including Iran, Venezuela, Syria, Somalia, Iraq, Yemen, and Nigeria.

Cuba is likely next.

Almost completely agree with you and the parts I'm not convinced about are not worth arguing over. In particular I'd like to note that I've read reports about why Iran hasn't developed a nuke, but it's great someone said it out loud here as well.

JRPGfan said:
SvennoJ said:

It reportedly was Khamenei that forbid the pursuit of nuclear weapons.

Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei maintained a long-standing public stance against nuclear weapons, issuing a
fatwa in the early 2000s declaring their development and use "haram" (forbidden). He consistently argued that such weapons contradict Islamic principles and are unnecessary for Iran's security.

True or not, Iran has reportedly been weeks away from Nuclear weapons for decades.

The IAEA International Atomic Energy Agency found Iran to have over 60%+ enriched uranium (back in early-mid 2021) (last allowed visit by iran).
Then they detected "particles" nearby enrichment plants of over 83% in 2023.
In 2025 they suddenly had stockpiled more than 400 Kg of enriched uranium (over 60%).
latest intelligence is they have over 450 kg now.

At ~90% enrichment you can make a modern day nuke.
(you can make one with lower %, but its effect won't be as drastic, and will need more material (kg))

Also you need around 25kg to make a functional nuke.
~450 kg is enough to make ~18 war heads (if enriched to 90%).
if they settle for making a dirty / poorly made nuke, at like 60-70%, they would need like ~40kg each.
Still enough to make 10 such weapons.


You only need 3-5% enrichment for a nuclear power plant to work.   
If they were not trying for nukes, why did they enrich uranium that high?
Why are they not allowing scientists that do these "check-ups" access anymore?
So like all the data is now from traitors and spies, and like satellite detection ect.

Esp. after being told, not to do so. That them having nukes would not be allowed.

 
So can we stop the "they were not trying to make nukes" theories? 
or the "they have been years away from making them, forever" ?

They where obviously going ahead with it, and were getting closer as time went by.

*edit:

I just wanted to say that the US probably didn't want it to come to this.
They tried striking a deal with them, first (before this strike).

They did everything they could to slow down or disrupt their research, over the years.
Ei. fed them faulty intel, hardware, software hacks, assassinated a few of their researchers.
Iran kept at it, and were still progressing though slowly. 

Do you really think Iran was incapable enough to not have reached nuke capability by now, despite the efforts to slow them down? I don't believe it even for a second. I think they were going for being close to be able to create nukes because even that creates some leverage and allows for taking the final steps if absolutely necessary, but I don't think they really wanted to go for nukes all the way (see SvennoJ's post).



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Zkuq said:
SvennoJ said:

It reportedly was Khamenei that forbid the pursuit of nuclear weapons.

Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei maintained a long-standing public stance against nuclear weapons, issuing a
fatwa in the early 2000s declaring their development and use "haram" (forbidden). He consistently argued that such weapons contradict Islamic principles and are unnecessary for Iran's security.

True or not, Iran has reportedly been weeks away from Nuclear weapons for decades.

Since at least 1992, Netanyahu has claimed Tehran was only 3–5 years away from producing a nuclear bomb.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has claimed Iran is on the verge of developing nuclear weapons for over three decades, with specific warnings of an imminent, short-term threat—often mentioned as "months" or "weeks"—gaining prominence around 2012
https://news.un.org/en/story/2012/09/421552


Murdering Khamenei opens the door for Iran to actually develop nukes. No doubt his successors have been advising him that nukes are essential for defense. No better proof now.


Anyway it never was about nukes, it's about removing the last opposing force from the ME and weakening Iran-China and Iran-Russia relations. Turning Iran into another unstable Lebanon / Syria / Yemen / Iraq is Netanyahu's dream. Netanyahu already moved the goal posts from nukes to ballistic missiles, any nuclear deal would not have stopped this.


Trump knows he's close to death and has become a rambling fool only about his legacy, from begging for peace prices to leaving his mark on the White House by adding a ballroom, to creating a 'Board of Peace' and getting his son in law to turn Gaza into the 'Riviera of the ME'.

He's certainly leaving a legacy as a thief, war criminal and pedophile, destroying US soft power, the illusion of US democracy and likely the US economy as well. Trump will be remembered as the president that ended US hegemony. Yet for now he still has command of the world most powerful army. A very dangerous combination.

How many more countries will Trump bomb

Based on reported military actions since taking office in January 2025, the Trump administration has engaged in bombing or direct military strikes in at least 6-7 countries, including Iran, Venezuela, Syria, Somalia, Iraq, Yemen, and Nigeria.

Cuba is likely next.

Almost completely agree with you and the parts I'm not convinced about are not worth arguing over. In particular I'd like to note that I've read reports about why Iran hasn't developed a nuke, but it's great someone said it out loud here as well.

JRPGfan said:

The IAEA International Atomic Energy Agency found Iran to have over 60%+ enriched uranium (back in early-mid 2021) (last allowed visit by iran).
Then they detected "particles" nearby enrichment plants of over 83% in 2023.
In 2025 they suddenly had stockpiled more than 400 Kg of enriched uranium (over 60%).
latest intelligence is they have over 450 kg now.

At ~90% enrichment you can make a modern day nuke.
(you can make one with lower %, but its effect won't be as drastic, and will need more material (kg))

Also you need around 25kg to make a functional nuke.
~450 kg is enough to make ~18 war heads (if enriched to 90%).
if they settle for making a dirty / poorly made nuke, at like 60-70%, they would need like ~40kg each.
Still enough to make 10 such weapons.


You only need 3-5% enrichment for a nuclear power plant to work.   
If they were not trying for nukes, why did they enrich uranium that high?
Why are they not allowing scientists that do these "check-ups" access anymore?
So like all the data is now from traitors and spies, and like satellite detection ect.

Esp. after being told, not to do so. That them having nukes would not be allowed.

 
So can we stop the "they were not trying to make nukes" theories? 
or the "they have been years away from making them, forever" ?

They where obviously going ahead with it, and were getting closer as time went by.

*edit:

I just wanted to say that the US probably didn't want it to come to this.
They tried striking a deal with them, first (before this strike).

They did everything they could to slow down or disrupt their research, over the years.
Ei. fed them faulty intel, hardware, software hacks, assassinated a few of their researchers.
Iran kept at it, and were still progressing though slowly. 

Do you really think Iran was incapable enough to not have reached nuke capability by now, despite the efforts to slow them down? I don't believe it even for a second. I think they were going for being close to be able to create nukes because even that creates some leverage and allows for taking the final steps if absolutely necessary, but I don't think they really wanted to go for nukes all the way (see SvennoJ's post).

They probably wanted to do just want you said. (or maybe they only needed a few, to finish the jews off)
The thing is, even that was too much for the US to accept.

The minuet they went over 20% imo, they flew too close to the sun.
If your found to have over 60% in 2021, and potentially over 83% enriched a year or two lateron.
Yeah... and stockpiling like 450kg of it.

Can you blame the US?  At that point your Poking the bear.

The US has been telling them for 20years they are not allowed to develop nukes.
They spend all that time saying they aren't or don't plan too, but do so anyways.

Whatever their motives or plans.... that is too close for comfort.
It flies in the face of the US telling them "no, your not allowed".

Also at some point, do you even trust them not too? (make nukes) (it'll just stay at 83% forever.... because... trust me bro!)
(not to mention, I think you actually can make nukes, without it being enriched that high.... .it just isn't as "effective")

If they kept saying they weren't doing anything, but you have proof they were (enrichment % keeps going up and up).
How much can you trust insane islamist that promote terror, and paid for it, and often threaten the world?

Do you want them to have nukes?

Last edited by JRPGfan - 3 days ago

rapsuperstar31 said:
Davy said:

I am not right-wing in politics but i don't have problem U.S. bomb any country that helps fascists Putin And Chinese Goverment.
They oppress and kill many people.

As does the USA.

USA are awful but at least they don't kill their political opponents like Putin or "disappear" people that are against them like Chinese Communists.

I see regimes like North Korea and i want to nuke their's leader house. :P

Last edited by Davy - 3 days ago

JRPGfan said:
Zkuq said:

Almost completely agree with you and the parts I'm not convinced about are not worth arguing over. In particular I'd like to note that I've read reports about why Iran hasn't developed a nuke, but it's great someone said it out loud here as well.

JRPGfan said:

The IAEA International Atomic Energy Agency found Iran to have over 60%+ enriched uranium (back in early-mid 2021) (last allowed visit by iran).
Then they detected "particles" nearby enrichment plants of over 83% in 2023.
In 2025 they suddenly had stockpiled more than 400 Kg of enriched uranium (over 60%).
latest intelligence is they have over 450 kg now.

At ~90% enrichment you can make a modern day nuke.
(you can make one with lower %, but its effect won't be as drastic, and will need more material (kg))

Also you need around 25kg to make a functional nuke.
~450 kg is enough to make ~18 war heads (if enriched to 90%).
if they settle for making a dirty / poorly made nuke, at like 60-70%, they would need like ~40kg each.
Still enough to make 10 such weapons.


You only need 3-5% enrichment for a nuclear power plant to work.   
If they were not trying for nukes, why did they enrich uranium that high?
Why are they not allowing scientists that do these "check-ups" access anymore?
So like all the data is now from traitors and spies, and like satellite detection ect.

Esp. after being told, not to do so. That them having nukes would not be allowed.

 
So can we stop the "they were not trying to make nukes" theories? 
or the "they have been years away from making them, forever" ?

They where obviously going ahead with it, and were getting closer as time went by.

*edit:

I just wanted to say that the US probably didn't want it to come to this.
They tried striking a deal with them, first (before this strike).

They did everything they could to slow down or disrupt their research, over the years.
Ei. fed them faulty intel, hardware, software hacks, assassinated a few of their researchers.
Iran kept at it, and were still progressing though slowly. 

Do you really think Iran was incapable enough to not have reached nuke capability by now, despite the efforts to slow them down? I don't believe it even for a second. I think they were going for being close to be able to create nukes because even that creates some leverage and allows for taking the final steps if absolutely necessary, but I don't think they really wanted to go for nukes all the way (see SvennoJ's post).

They probably wanted to do just want you said. (or maybe they only needed a few, to finish the jews off)
The thing is, even that was too much for the US to accept.

The minuet they went over 20% imo, they flew too close to the sun.
If your found to have over 60% in 2021, and potentially over 83% enriched a year or two lateron.
Yeah... and stockpiling like 450kg of it.

Can you blame the US?  At that point your Poking the bear.

The US has been telling them for 20years they are not allowed to develop nukes.
They spend all that time saying they aren't or don't plan too, but do so anyways.

Whatever their motives or plans.... that is too close for comfort.
It flies in the face of the US telling them "no, your not allowed".

Also at some point, do you even trust them not too? (make nukes) (it'll just stay at 83% forever.... because... trust me bro!)
(not to mention, I think you actually can make nukes, without it being enriched that high.... .it just isn't as "effective")

If they kept saying they weren't doing anything, but you have proof they were (enrichment % keeps going up and up).
How much can you trust insane islamist that promote terror, and paid for it, and often threaten the world?

Do you want them to have nukes?

OK, I'm glad we're finally on the same page about Iran's aim regarding nukes. Anyway, diplomacy is always an option. I don't know how credible the reports were, but the reports I've seen indicated that Iran was willing to make a relatively reasonable deal regarding their nuclear capability. If not particularly threatened, I'm fairly confident that under Khamenei's rule, Iran wouldn't have developed a nuke since they haven't so far either. Under future leaders, that's a different question.

Regardless, I think this was just Trump smelling blood due to Iran's weakness and wanting to capitalize on that. After Trump, the US will probably want to stay away from a major conflict with Iran, but Iran might see how their sovereignty has been violated when they didn't have nukes and end up going for nukes after all. The way I see it is that Trump has a quick short-term 'solution' to the issue, but since he's not willing to go all the way for a regime chance because it would require committing to an attack on the land if necessary, he's risking making it worse in the long term if a regime change isn't happening.



Zkuq said:
JRPGfan said:

They probably wanted to do just want you said. (or maybe they only needed a few, to finish the jews off)
The thing is, even that was too much for the US to accept.

The minuet they went over 20% imo, they flew too close to the sun.
If your found to have over 60% in 2021, and potentially over 83% enriched a year or two lateron.
Yeah... and stockpiling like 450kg of it.

Can you blame the US?  At that point your Poking the bear.

The US has been telling them for 20years they are not allowed to develop nukes.
They spend all that time saying they aren't or don't plan too, but do so anyways.

Whatever their motives or plans.... that is too close for comfort.
It flies in the face of the US telling them "no, your not allowed".

Also at some point, do you even trust them not too? (make nukes) (it'll just stay at 83% forever.... because... trust me bro!)
(not to mention, I think you actually can make nukes, without it being enriched that high.... .it just isn't as "effective")

If they kept saying they weren't doing anything, but you have proof they were (enrichment % keeps going up and up).
How much can you trust insane islamist that promote terror, and paid for it, and often threaten the world?

Do you want them to have nukes?

OK, I'm glad we're finally on the same page about Iran's aim regarding nukes. Anyway, diplomacy is always an option. I don't know how credible the reports were, but the reports I've seen indicated that Iran was willing to make a relatively reasonable deal regarding their nuclear capability. If not particularly threatened, I'm fairly confident that under Khamenei's rule, Iran wouldn't have developed a nuke since they haven't so far either. Under future leaders, that's a different question.

Regardless, I think this was just Trump smelling blood due to Iran's weakness and wanting to capitalize on that. After Trump, the US will probably want to stay away from a major conflict with Iran, but Iran might see how their sovereignty has been violated when they didn't have nukes and end up going for nukes after all. The way I see it is that Trump has a quick short-term 'solution' to the issue, but since he's not willing to go all the way for a regime chance because it would require committing to an attack on the land if necessary, he's risking making it worse in the long term if a regime change isn't happening.

They have enriched uranium in very high percentages. It is not so simple, if they don't stop Europeans will join U.S.A. and it will escalate.



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Davy said:

I am not right-wing in politics but i don't have problem U.S. bomb any country that helps fascists Putin And Chinese Goverment.
They oppress and kill many people.

US killed more innocent people then Russia and China combined. And they still doing that to this day, even in this moment right now.

And your second is response even even funnier. Americans hate each other just because they support different party. 

Yes US government, maybe, dont kill their opponents but they dont need it, people kill each others.



Davy said:

They shouldn't try creating nuclear bomb , they gave an excuse to Trump to invade.

If Trump didn't want Iran to make nukes then he shouldn't have wiped his ass with the deal that was already ensuring just that. 



TallSilhouette said:
Davy said:

They shouldn't try creating nuclear bomb , they gave an excuse to Trump to invade.

If Trump didn't want Iran to make nukes then he shouldn't have wiped his ass with the deal that was already ensuring just that. 

Maby they just need the huge reserves of Natural Gas of Iran, i won't debate on that. But i have read Iran's latest statements before the attack and they refused to behave, so i am not sure about that...



ST.Tachyon said:
Davy said:

I am not right-wing in politics but i don't have problem U.S. bomb any country that helps fascists Putin And Chinese Goverment.
They oppress and kill many people.

US killed more innocent people then Russia and China combined. And they still doing that to this day, even in this moment right now.

And your second is response even even funnier. Americans hate each other just because they support different party. 

Yes US government, maybe, dont kill their opponents but they dont need it, people kill each others.

Ok U.S. is the devil , but i still prefer them from Putin and Chinese. If you prefer them go live in China to work 12 hours for 400$. :P

And go read History how many millions people China and Russia killed inside their countries. They compete with U.S. easily.



TallSilhouette said:
Davy said:

They shouldn't try creating nuclear bomb , they gave an excuse to Trump to invade.

If Trump didn't want Iran to make nukes then he shouldn't have wiped his ass with the deal that was already ensuring just that. 

Yeah and who knows what other countries have found the motivation now to develop nukes. North Korea is left alone while the people there live under a much worse regime and are all indoctrinated to hate the West. 

Meanwhile Iranian people had quite a positive view of the US.


Iran helping Russia as excuse doesn't weigh up to North Korea sending actual soldiers to fight in Ukraine.



You Tube is flooded with propaganda against Iran now, including suggesting Iran bombed it's own school for girls next to its military base....

I was looking for the interview mentioned in this report, it's gone from YouTube. I checked my watch history and it's not there anymore.



An American journalist has reported from inside Tehran uninterrupted thereby rejecting the campaign against the Islamic Republic in Western media about lack of free press. This came a day after JD Vance implied that Donald Trump was clueless about his next move on Iran. Rifat Jawaid looks at this development and also the police crackdown in Australia on peaceful protesters.


Ah after getting the name of the reporter from the video above I found an obscure channel with a low quality version of the video


That's who Trump is bombing right now.