How would you have liked to see gay people strung up if you lived during that time?  

How would you feel about some pastor that was spitting as he talked about how evil gay people are, giving a sermon that seeded hate from the foot washing baptists?        

So let me put it this way.  I remember some of your old posts, and i know where your political sympathies lie.  You support the lgbtq crowd because you have known many of them and have been close to them in your life.  Think about those faces when you answer me.  

You're making a lot of assumptions about people, at least in this thread. In real life, I think I've known a total of one bisexual person and one I suspect to be either homosexual or bisexual, and that's it. I simply don't know a lot of people, so I also don't know a lot of minorities. I do support them, but the chances are not as zealously as you think. Based on our limited interactions about politics and the current political climate, I also suspect you categorize me way left of where I actually stand.

My grandma recently tried to lecture me about how Isreal, most likely including Palestine, belongs to the Jews. There were probably numerous more or less reasonable answers I could have given but probably would only have create division. Instead, I asked her what about the Palestinians that have lived there for hundreds of years and also call it their home. It clearly got her thinking and to admit she's not very familiar with the history. I don't think I won her over, but I also think I got a much better response than I would have, had I chosen a more direct approach. Maybe if we discussed the situation numerous more times, we could find some actual common ground, but I don't think there are easy wins there. You either take the wins you can get or try to take the big win and end up losing anyway.

Much of the time, people simply aren't easy to convince to change their minds. If you opt for an approach that calls for conflict, you'd better be ready for a fight if you actually want to achieve something, because the other party probably isn't giving up, so you need to subjugate them. That seems to be the Trump route, and for obvious reasons I really dislike it. I believe in treating people with respect, as hard as that can sometimes be (and I know I could sometimes do a better job at that, but I try my best).

You're making a lot of assumptions about people, at least in this thread. In real life, I think I've known a total of one bisexual person and one I suspect to be either homosexual or bisexual, and that's it. I simply don't know a lot of people, so I also don't know a lot of minorities. I do support them, but the chances are not as zealously as you think. Based on our limited interactions about politics and the current political climate, I also suspect you categorize me way left of where I actually stand.

My grandma recently tried to lecture me about how Isreal, most likely including Palestine, belongs to the Jews. There were probably numerous more or less reasonable answers I could have given but probably would only have create division. Instead, I asked her what about the Palestinians that have lived there for hundreds of years and also call it their home. It clearly got her thinking and to admit she's not very familiar with the history. I don't think I won her over, but I also think I got a much better response than I would have, had I chosen a more direct approach. Maybe if we discussed the situation numerous more times, we could find some actual common ground, but I don't think there are easy wins there. You either take the wins you can get or try to take the big win and end up losing anyway.

Much of the time, people simply aren't easy to convince to change their minds. If you opt for an approach that calls for conflict, you'd better be ready for a fight if you actually want to achieve something, because the other party probably isn't giving up, so you need to subjugate them. That seems to be the Trump route, and for obvious reasons I really dislike it. I believe in treating people with respect, as hard as that can sometimes be (and I know I could sometimes do a better job at that, but I try my best).

I'm still at the point where I'm defending the very idea of the thread, instead of getting into it. 

Another example of someone here that has dome the same thing is SvennoJ.  And nobody has said that he's wrong in his 1000 page Israel thread. But if people are going to come in here and say that I'm wrong even if it's in a nice way then I'm going to show how their viewpoint is harmful. 

Completely fair. They knew not to come in here if they disagreed or had a problem but for certain kinds of people I guess that means you should come in and find a problem with the thread creator by telling him how hurtful he's being. Fair both ways in this area of competing opinions. 

I remeber you making a remark a long time ago that you were a strong ally of lgbtq people.  I'm trying not to out you which would be very bad taste on my part, however it would not be wrong to call someone an ally.  I just am curious as to why you aren't a more vocal ally and why this is of little importance to you. 

Of  course, you have a point that not EVERYONE in the middle east is a prejudiced person, despite laws against gay people and women.  However, these laws continue to exist because enough people still agree with them, and i think that this is a fair middle ground where we can both come together.   When you see that these laws are in several middle eastern nations, you start to realize that there is still a fair amount of prejudice there and it must have activists that try to make the area a better place for all people.  

I'm going to continue to rail against the religious right that continues to hold prejudiced beleifs until they are changed.  Until I can bring my boyfriend to a church just as a hetero couple can, then i have the belief that i'm in a prejudiced location.   The muslims as well, seem prejudiced.  It seems quite odd,  because I've found pictures of them lifting their rears and to go and make laws against gay people it would seem like they are quite gay themselves. 

Does this picture strike you as kinda gay?

If you don't like the message then fine, i don't see why you continue to involve yourself in it.  Why not find a thread that you enjoy more?        

I agree with you about the message, it's the delivery that's the issue. Your delivery method seems to be conflict, and I reckon you're not ready or capable of going far enough to achieve anything using conflict. Instead, you're just creating polarization. Just to be clear, I'm not advocating for conflict, because I don't think it's nice for anyone involved, which might as well be everyone.

I can see where you're coming from. I just don't think your online delivery seems like a fruitful approach to achieve what you want. You might be able to rouse up some people in your support if you're lucky, but you're probably not going to change anyone's mind.

Yeah this is starting to feel like purposeful ragebait/trolling to get a reaction tbh