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dark_gh0st_b0y said:

I don't think people are mad as much because Samus is not isolated, but mostly because Miles Mackenzie seems to be a character that is totally out of place in the Metroid universe. His cheappy Marvel humour is totally outdated - not funny at all if you ask me.

Metroid is the kind of game that you need to have the right atmosphere in order to take it seriously, so an atmphoshere breaker is definitely a minus.
They are supposed to be in a hostile place away from civilization with their lives at risk, stupid jokes don't make any sense.

If he is just a 10-20 min NPC tutorial character who you forget for the rest of the game, then it's not as bad.
But if he is there for most of the game people are right to complain.

Overall game looks really really good, so I'll be getting it regardless.

There has been silly/cheap dialogue in the series before (Metroid Prime 3 comes to mind). Didn't stop it from being a great Metroid game.

And even if this was a first for the series, so has been many other far more transgressive changes in pretty much every Metroid game over the last 23 years. Didn't stop them from being great games. Again, would be nice if you took a look at the OP ^^



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Mar1217 said:

Is it overblown ? Oh absolutely, the gaming community can't really pause for a moment to critically think the moment semi-ppopular YouTuber wants to post the hottest takes on said video game.

Are NPC's in the Metroid games a new thing ? No. NPC with bad dialogues then ? No, that already happened in Other M.

The complain most seem to point out is about their ruined immersion, how the series is ONLY about Samus isolation going through alien planets XYZ to bust herself out of there ...

Except in Metroid Prime 3 really ,which if you look at what MP4 is doing here, is simply a progression of what was previously (Galactic Federation being involved, Sylux's whole shabang, interactivity) done.

It's funny because Appart from that one aspect, previews have quite glamorous about the game's environments, puzzles and gameplay thus far. So really, if you wanna throw the whole basket of apples away because of a single rotten apples, be my guest.
Some have waited waaaaaaayyyy too long for that game to see this momentous moment ruined by a single element.

Though in some cases, it's just people who had no intention of playing the game to make noise regardless.

Look, during the first few trailers, people acted like "This is a Metroid Prime game alright ? Where's the evolution ? The hook ?"

Here you go, Retro Studios is paving the way with new staples for the series and some are getting into a itsy fit because "This isn't their Metroid anymore!" despite the fact that they initially complained it was just a Metroid Prime game at first.

Sometimes, I believe people really just don't know what they want until they've played these games for themselves.
Like remember how Metroid Prime 1 was judged during its initial reception before people played it ? In the modern Internet of today, people would've gone ballistic over that

My thoughts exactly! But this comes from actual Metroid fans too. Arlo made a video about this and he made it look like it was some catastrophe for the game and the series.

Which, again, makes me question if these so called "fans" have selective memory or they are just a bunch of frauds...



burninmylight said:

The previous post sums up my exact thoughts.

The reaction online reminds me of the first time I was banned here many moons ago. A user whose literal username was SamusAran told me that "maybe Metroid isn't the franchise for you" because Prime 3 was my favorite of the trilogy, thanks to its early areas and plot featuring NPCs that you actually talk to and interact with instead of merely shooting them. To me, it makes the game and protagonist feel more immersive and have more depth and stakes instead of merely controlling what amounts to a soulless robot in a bodysuit (I am well aware that Samus is a human woman, but for the vast majority of the franchise, she might as well be a robot following programming). I ripped him to pieces and basically told him that he loves and relates to Samus so much because he too doesn't have friends or social skills to make them either.

In hindsight, that was overly harsh and immature of me, lol. However, I'm still in the camp of favoring a more fleshed out Metroid universe with some world building beyond the atmosphere you see in the background or read from scans as you run around by your lonesome. I find myself more motivated to play as Samus when she has more personal motivations and it's not just "The Federation told me to go hunt/investigate ___, so I'm doing it". When there's other sentient characters in the universe that are worth saving beyond the resident flora and fauna just going about their business. When I can see that there are things going on in that universe with NPCs having their own agency and motivations to make it seem more fleshed out instead of it being 100 percent everything that ever exists is designed to give Samus a puzzle to solve, upgrade to acquire or obstacle to overcome.

I am aware that there is an active user here called therealsamusaran, but given how long ago that old post was and that the current user seems like a much more agreeable, sociable person, I highly doubt they are the same person, heh.

Prime 3 is also my favourite in the trilogy. I love the entire trilogy, but the introduction of a slightly more focused narrative and actual characters really left an impression on me. Prime 3 is great because it has all these new things, but it also has everything that made the other two special: great atmosphere, cool visuals/music, exploration, cool lore in the different planets and clever enviromental puzzles.



Leynos said:

As someone who played the series since the 80s and watched it evolve. I am just going to repeat what I said in the other thread. Metroid has changed since the NES days. Every Prime game changed how the IP is and mechanics and a bunch of things. MP4 is no different. 

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"People online whine about yellow paint. I am not a fan myself but so many people are lost without it and are not terminally online like us. Not enthusiasts like us. This nerd character has yellow armor. He is literally yellow paint the character. He will be in the game for the length of a fart in the wind. Sure longtime Metroid fans like me don't need him. However this is the beginning of a new trilogy(?) Maybe. They want more than the typical 1.2 or whatever million sales of Prime. This game is aimed to cast a wider net. I'm okay with that. It seems the choice is either back to long droughts with no new Metroid game or some yellow paint with more frequent releases. Fire Emblem did the same thing with Awakening. They made it more accessible. After that the series went from barely getting releases in the west and knocking at deaths door to being a staple series. Metroid is not in dire shape like FE was before Awakening but Prime needs to grow.  "

Exactly what I'm saying ^^



Vodacixi said:
JackHandy said:

If you dislike people walking away because of NPCs, then you'd hate me. I'm a Metroid junkie. I've been playing the franchise, literally, since NES. I consider it my favorite Nintendo IP ever, period--and I walked away because of the motorcycle. lol

For me, some IPs can change. Metroid is not one of those IPs. Yes, Prime went 3D, but it was like OOT in that all you got was Super Metroid in the third dimension. Adding in NPCs and motorcycles and open world elements and all this stuff... it just feels like a new IP to me. I'm (sadly) not interested.

I don't hate you xD But I don't take too kindly that you are responding to my thread without having actually read it. Which is funny, because your attitude is basically confirming one of my points xD

I read your essay. I added my own thoughts.



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JackHandy said:
Vodacixi said:

I don't hate you xD But I don't take too kindly that you are responding to my thread without having actually read it. Which is funny, because your attitude is basically confirming one of my points xD

I read your essay. I added my own thoughts.

Doesn't look like it. I provided a pretty lenghty overview of the franchise covering how Metroid has done nothing but change and challenge their conventions since the beginning. If after proving that you then go and say that Metroid is a franchise that "shouldn't change"... then you either didn't read the OP or you read it, but decided to ignore it. And honestly, I don't know which one is more disrespectful xD



Honestly I don't really mind the NPCs. But I have a feeling the game's gonna make them likable new characters only to have them killed off in horrific ways, like what happened to some characters in Prime 3.



These are valid points on the franchise's story, but it hinges on Miles what's-his-face being a pest hanging around for a tutorial's length while we already know there are five of these dudes, and God only knows how long they'll actually be there annoying and hindering you.

I don't think anyone is afraid or complaining about some dude talking, most people liked Fusion and Corruption, and they had that, but looking at Other M shows that there are absolutely very poor, immersion-breaking ways this stuff can be implemented, and given how few and far between Metroid games are, I think the PTSD is valid.



 

 

 

 

 

CaptainExplosion said:

Honestly I don't really mind the NPCs. But I have a feeling the game's gonna make them likable new characters only to have them killed off in horrific ways, like what happened to some characters in Prime 3.

I wouldn't be surprised, honestly. I hope it's not as simple as that though...



haxxiy said:

These are valid points on the franchise's story, but it hinges on Miles what's-his-face being a pest hanging around for a tutorial's length while we already know there are five of these dudes, and God only knows how long they'll actually be there annoying and hindering you.

I don't think anyone is afraid or complaining about some dude talking, most people liked Fusion and Corruption, and they had that, but looking at Other M shows that there are absolutely very poor, immersion-breaking ways this stuff can be implemented, and given how few and far between Metroid games are, I think the PTSD is valid.

I mean, the very first response to this thread is someone saying that bringing NPCs in general to the Metroid franchise is enough to make him uninterested. So yeah, I think people are actually afraid about some dude talking (there are MANY people complaining about this everywhere on the Internet).

As for the other marines, we don't know anything about them besides a few seconds of footage for each one from the last trailer. And based on that, they seem to be at the very least far more tolerable, interesting and competent than Miles. Then again, sure, they could end up being annoying. We don't know.

Other M had many flaws, but the implementation of the Federation soldiers wasn't one of them. They were barely around except for Anthony (who I think was a decent/good character) and Adam, who reprises his Fusion role as the NPC that constantly tells you were to go and what to do. So no, I don't get why people are having PTSD from Mr. Mackenzie here.

Again, I could understand doubting this part of the game is gonna be good. Or being slightly concearned. In the end we won't know how the game will be until it launches (very soon thankfully), so having doubts is valid. Going nuts over it though... I don't think it's a reasonable reaction. Specially from so many people (which again, many have been proven to either not know much about the series or just being extremely forgetful).