By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our Terms of Use. Close

Forums - Nintendo - Why do you think Nintendo has survived so long as a platform holder?

JackHandy said:

Two reasons.

One, they make great games.

Two, they are extremely lucky.

The first one is easy to understand. They're just talented. The second is more complex. But basically, society has to agree with what you're doing, and at times, society almost put Nintendo out of business because they didn't want what Nintendo was creating. In that sense, Nintendo got lucky because without everyone suddenly wanting a Switch and their IPs again, there might not be a Nintendo anymore.

Luck didn't have anything to do with the Switch's success. You could have merged the Wii U and 3DS libraries into a single hybrid console and it would have sold gangbusters. Some people were willing to buy a Wii U almost exclusively for Mario Kart 8 and Super Mario 3D World. Some people were willing to buy a 3DS almost exclusively for Poke'mon and Animal Crossing. A boatload of people skipped Nintendo that generation but would have happily gotten a Nintendo 3D-U just to play Poke'mon, Animal Crossing, MK8, and 3D World. And if they had a ton of 3rd party devs would have responded to that by making 3rd party games for 3D-U, which would have snowballed it and caused even more people to buy a 3D-U. 

TL/DR: It wasn't luck but combining their handheld and home console libraries to win over fence sitters en' mass. 

Last edited by Cerebralbore101 - on 09 October 2025

Around the Network
Cerebralbore101 said:
JackHandy said:

Two reasons.

One, they make great games.

Two, they are extremely lucky.

The first one is easy to understand. They're just talented. The second is more complex. But basically, society has to agree with what you're doing, and at times, society almost put Nintendo out of business because they didn't want what Nintendo was creating. In that sense, Nintendo got lucky because without everyone suddenly wanting a Switch and their IPs again, there might not be a Nintendo anymore.

Luck didn't have anything to do with the Switch's success.

It's luck because the general attitude toward their games suddenly changed. Remember, a lot of the Switch's biggest games were Wii-U titles that nobody wanted. Then suddenly, when they re-released for the Switch, everyone was like... omg... all hail Nintendo... these are the best games ever!

That is what I meant by lucky. The times changed in their favor, and they were able to benefit.

Last edited by JackHandy - on 09 October 2025

JackHandy said:
Cerebralbore101 said:

Luck didn't have anything to do with the Switch's success.

It's luck because the general attitude toward their games suddenly changed. Remember, a lot of the Switch's biggest games were Wii-U titles that nobody wanted. Then suddenly, when they re-released for the Switch, everyone was like... omg... all hail Nintendo... these are the best games ever!

That is what I meant by lucky. The times changed in their favor, and they were able to benefit.

Alot? Nope that's just flatout dishonest. MK8 and BoTW equals alot lmao. How about the rest of the top ten? So yes believe it or not, Nintendo platforms still need an adequate amount of releases to sale well. Only trolls argue Mario Kart 8 was suppose to single handily carry the platform. There is an obvious difference in support between Switch and WiiU. Call of Duty is a huge franchise on PS and failed at carrying Vita, what happened? 



JackHandy said:
Cerebralbore101 said:

Luck didn't have anything to do with the Switch's success.

It's luck because the general attitude toward their games suddenly changed. Remember, a lot of the Switch's biggest games were Wii-U titles that nobody wanted. Then suddenly, when they re-released for the Switch, everyone was like... omg... all hail Nintendo... these are the best games ever!

That is what I meant by lucky. The times changed in their favor, and they were able to benefit.

It's not that times changed, those games were always great and loved by those who played them, they just went from being handcuffed to a terrible console nobody wanted, to being available on a desirable console.



JackHandy said:
Cerebralbore101 said:

Luck didn't have anything to do with the Switch's success.

It's luck because the general attitude toward their games suddenly changed. Remember, a lot of the Switch's biggest games were Wii-U titles that nobody wanted. Then suddenly, when they re-released for the Switch, everyone was like... omg... all hail Nintendo... these are the best games ever!

That is what I meant by lucky. The times changed in their favor, and they were able to benefit.

??? Your argument is literally a bad meme that I posted in my Nintendo Derangement Syndrome thread. This is flat-earther or faked moon landing levels of silly. 

Last edited by Cerebralbore101 - on 09 October 2025

Around the Network

I'll let you guys in on a little secret. When you resort to an ad hominem argument, it means the other guy won. Now, I don't care about winning some stupid argument about video games, but if you do, I would try to stick to your point and counter the other person's argument, rather than resorting to insults and character attacks.



curl-6 said:
JackHandy said:

It's luck because the general attitude toward their games suddenly changed. Remember, a lot of the Switch's biggest games were Wii-U titles that nobody wanted. Then suddenly, when they re-released for the Switch, everyone was like... omg... all hail Nintendo... these are the best games ever!

That is what I meant by lucky. The times changed in their favor, and they were able to benefit.

It's not that times changed, those games were always great and loved by those who played them, they just went from being handcuffed to a terrible console nobody wanted, to being available on a desirable console.

I just don't agree with that. Every Nintendo console after the NES dropped in sales, and eventually, it wasn't even cool to play their games. GTA 3 vs Sunshine? If you were around at that time, that wasn't even a debate. Nintendo had a short bump with the Wii, but that was casuals. So you're going to have to convince me how this all wasn't a part of a consumer-wide trend if you're going to make that argument, because the data just isn't there.



JackHandy said:
curl-6 said:

It's not that times changed, those games were always great and loved by those who played them, they just went from being handcuffed to a terrible console nobody wanted, to being available on a desirable console.

I just don't agree with that. Every Nintendo console after the NES dropped in sales, and eventually, it wasn't even cool to play their games. GTA 3 vs Sunshine? If you were around at that time, that wasn't even a debate. Nintendo had a short bump with the Wii, but that was casuals. So you're going to have to convince me how this all wasn't a part of a consumer-wide trend if you're going to make that argument, because the data just isn't there.

It sounds as though your mind is made up and you won't accept any evidence to the contrary.

There was no sudden change in the audience going from 2016 to 2017; no large demographic shift of any kind that would explain the entire market suddenly deciding to like Nintendo games again. What changed was that Nintendo went from offering a terrible system to a desirable one, hence the games tied to those systems became far more successful, it's as simple and self-evident as that.



JackHandy said:

I'll let you guys in on a little secret. When you resort to an ad hominem argument, it means the other guy won. Now, I don't care about winning some stupid argument about video games, but if you do, I would try to stick to your point and counter the other person's argument, rather than resorting to insults and character attacks.

Not sure if this is referring to me or not. It wasn't meant as an insult. Was just pointing out how bad your argument was. The above meme is awful because it pretends like the Wii U games that came out on Switch were the only games for Switch. It should be obvious. And sadly you are making the same argument. 



curl-6 said:
JackHandy said:

I just don't agree with that. Every Nintendo console after the NES dropped in sales, and eventually, it wasn't even cool to play their games. GTA 3 vs Sunshine? If you were around at that time, that wasn't even a debate. Nintendo had a short bump with the Wii, but that was casuals. So you're going to have to convince me how this all wasn't a part of a consumer-wide trend if you're going to make that argument, because the data just isn't there.

It sounds as though your mind is made up and you won't accept any evidence to the contrary.

There was no sudden change in the audience going from 2016 to 2017; no large demographic shift of any kind that would explain the entire market suddenly deciding to like Nintendo games again. What changed was that Nintendo went from offering a terrible system to a desirable one, hence the games tied to those systems became far more successful, it's as simple and self-evident as that.

I am more than willing to have my mind changed, but I need something more compelling than that.

Basically, your premise is the system sells the game. Mine is the game sells the system. Case in point: if we're going to go with the idea that consoles sell games, then we're also going to go with the idea that something like fifty-million people were looking at Mario Kart 8 when it launched and thinking, Man... I would love to get that game, but that system... it's just so horrible. I personally have trouble buying into that logic. It's just too big a number; too big a leap.

Generations of people come and go. Attitudes change. During the PS2 era, every game Nintendo launched was considered kiddy and not taken seriously by the majority of the gaming community. Now, those same games are considered by younger generations who weren't around then to be utter masterpieces, which speaks directly to my point.

People changed.

Nintendo didn't.