EricHiggin said:
Qwark said:
If Greenland wanted it (very big if and so far that answer is a hard no), and Denmark refused, then who's really going to legitimately get upset if the USA were to invade after?
The rest of EU would still be very upset and it would still be the end of transatlantic relations, in which US is escorted out of EU permanently. Like it or not there is also a defence pact in EU. Even if Greenland wanted it and yes the area is mostly self governed, (although it depends on Danish financial aid to survive), it's still Danish territory and invading Danish territory is the definitive end of NATO and EU and US calling eachother allies.
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I don't disagree, if the USA didn't conduct themselves decently at first, like by making a widely acceptable offer.
But what do you think is going to happen to the EU if it tells the USA to take a hike for taking Greenland? The USA will do exactly that, where it can, especially when it comes to EU defense, and then what? You think Putin and others are going to just sit back and let the EU remain as is, in peace?
I don't think the EU would be foolish enough to react that way at this time, and I think they'd be more than smart enough to realize Canada was next on the chopping block. Not that Canada is part of the EU, but it would be another lost ally, soon enough.
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Europe is not as strong as most would want and can't project power we'll far beyond their borders. But Europe is not as weak as US thinks. Sure European countries are weak compared to US. Besides after US takes Danish soil they are more of a liability than an asset to have in Europe. Maybe they want Netherlands next for ASML.
Military wise Europe still has around 2.000.000 active troops and after the US by far the most advanced military gear. Lately France exports more weapons than Russia, so Industrial weapon capacity is not as bad as some think. Europe lacks in strategic long range weapons, but Sint Petersburg and Moscow are not that far from Finland, so in a defensive war with Russia that's not as much of a downside than other conflicts. When waging war with China that is another story.
After Ukraine Russia couldn't invade Europe if it wanted too, or it could say goodbye to it's second largest city. They struggle a lot in Ukraine at this moment with little support, mostly the military support is outdated equipment. The best Russia could do is maybe take the Baltics, at the direct cost of Kalingrad and Sint Petersburg. Nukes are out of the question because French and British forces can throw them as well.
Putin is already conducting hybrid warfare against EU and US is fine with that. US would lose a lot of strategic power if they lose European bases. They also lose access to the artic via Iceland, Finland and Norway. Also US lacks the ice cutters to dominate that area and Finland is building them.
Canada is defenceless against US, if US wants it nobody could stop them.
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