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CosmicSex said:
xl-klaudkil said:

Disgusted...and some even laugh.
When will the people wake up,the left is out of control.

The western world is falling,and falling fast.

So... you are going to pretend to be ignorant as to why people disliked him?  Not even going to acknowledge it... I see.  And that somehow makes you morally superior.   Also this 'left is out of control' crap... no one is trying to hear that.

In June Minnesota house speaker, Melissa Hortman and her husband were shot and killed is an act of political violence and it was openly mocked by Republicans politicians. 

So I dont think you really care at all about the out of control rhetoric.  I think you are just devolving into the same partisan bickering that leads to these kinds of outcomes.

So according to you, if someone got murdered just because of his/her political view, as long as these views align with your then its awful, but if you dont agree with that person then its fine that he/she got killed?

Also its funny how you mention "partisan bickering" when half of your posts related to politics promote these bickering and hate based on political view of people.

MURDER IS NOT OK, NO MATTER WHO WE TALK ABOUT, THE FACT THAT WE HAVE DISCUSSION ABOUT IF THAT IS OK OR NOT OK IS UNBELIEVABLE TO ME



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angrypoolman said:
RolStoppable said:

The thread title is misleading. Charlie Kirk was not a conservative, he was a fascist.

cool your jets rol, you dont need to get in the mud. i expect better from you 

It's an important distinction to make. Otherwise it's all too easy for people to get confused about Kirk's political views.



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Truly, truly sad day for America and the Western world in general.

As much as I disagree with his views on Ukraine and Gaza,
it is truly tragic that a father of two just dies for just expressing his views.

American society has totally lost it the last 10 years, and losing it more and more with every year that passes.
People like Trump and Vance being in power proves it.

The problem is that everyday people support arrogant politicians with exreme views, praising the disrespect and demonising of opposite views.

Mentally ill people will then mark politicians as 'evil' and believe that by killing them they are doing the right thing.

There is literally no use in insulting and demonising opposite views, political views on their own are not meant to cause any physical or mental harm on anyone.

Now when Republicans make up consiracy theories that Democrats are evil corrupted criminals that control the media (like people have no alternatives or youtube or brain), and Democrats mark the Republicans as evil racist Nazis for loving their country's culture and traditiional values (like people have no brain on what culture and values they prefer), then this is exactly what you end up with.



don't mind my username, that was more than 10 years ago, I'm a different person now, amazing how people change ^_^

RolStoppable said:
angrypoolman said:

cool your jets rol, you dont need to get in the mud. i expect better from you 

It's an important distinction to make. Otherwise it's all too easy for people to get confused about Kirk's political views.

right..... still not a good look for those of us who still consider ourselves rol fans. ill let it slide for now and if it happens again ill just look away and pretend I didn't see it



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Machina said:

I'm surprised how sad this news has made me. I think a large part of the reason is because of how young he was - most of his life just snuffed out like that - and that he has such a young family; his wife must be absolutely devastated and his kids will grow up without him and probably with very few memories of him. I can't begin to comprehend what it must feel like to lose a family member like this.

I'm not super familiar with Kirk, but as anyone who's found themselves scrolling YouTube shorts longer than they'd intended or really wanted to, I've come across quite a few clips of him debating on college campuses here and there. Agreed on some things, disagreed on others (especially religious issues), but that doesn't matter; from what I saw he was always for free and open discussion and debate, allowing his opponents to speak, and never using threats or violence to achieve his political ideals. If he's a target and you celebrate his death then I wonder if there's anyone on 'the other side' that you wouldn't like to see dead. And if this guy was your idea of a Nazi - some may genuinely believe this to be the case, most I suspect just cynically using it as a means to dehumanise their political rivals, in order to maintain a sense of self-righteousness - then I would suggest you have a rather warped definition of a Nazi that encompasses far too many people not just in America but throughout the world.

I see you're not super familiar with Kirk, so let me help you with that. Kirk has:

Among other examples. So no, he wasn't a literal member of the Third Reich, but I hope now you see why someone might feel inclined to call him a nazi, or at the very least a fascist. It's not about "dehumanising political rivals in order to maintain a sense of self-righteousness", but rather about recognizing when someone's rhetoric and actions consistently align with authoritarian, intolerant, exclusionary, and violent ideologies.



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The shooter apparently took the shot from the roof of a nearby building 130 meters away; a single shot was heard.

The manhunt is still ongoing.



We don't know the motivation of the killer. Perhaps Kirk slept with someone's wife and it was an act of revenge. But it is likely it was a political assassination which would make it even worse, because that transcends to punishment for thinking differently.

The backbone of a democracy is the free market of ideas and opinions. That is what free speech is all about. It's a market where different messages compete, it is a market where the most popular idea and/or the best messaging wins. And that is how it should be. People choose what message to follow, it should not be dictated to them.

If you did not agree with Kirk's messaging, or any one else's for that matter, then engage with them on that market place. If you think you cannot win, then either the messaging, the message or both are not strong enough. Resorting to a bullet just shows that. That is true no matter on what political isle one is sitting.



ST.Tachyon said:
CosmicSex said:

So... you are going to pretend to be ignorant as to why people disliked him?  Not even going to acknowledge it... I see.  And that somehow makes you morally superior.   Also this 'left is out of control' crap... no one is trying to hear that.

In June Minnesota house speaker, Melissa Hortman and her husband were shot and killed is an act of political violence and it was openly mocked by Republicans politicians. 

So I dont think you really care at all about the out of control rhetoric.  I think you are just devolving into the same partisan bickering that leads to these kinds of outcomes.

So according to you, if someone got murdered just because of his/her political view, as long as these views align with your then its awful, but if you dont agree with that person then its fine that he/she got killed?

Also its funny how you mention "partisan bickering" when half of your posts related to politics promote these bickering and hate based on political view of people.

MURDER IS NOT OK, NO MATTER WHO WE TALK ABOUT, THE FACT THAT WE HAVE DISCUSSION ABOUT IF THAT IS OK OR NOT OK IS UNBELIEVABLE TO ME

You totally ignored everything i said and then tried to substitute with your own contrived bullshit.  Respond to what I said.  Like I responded to what you said.  

And you know why people do what you just did?  They do it because they dont want to or cant acknowledge a point so you completely make up a response to something I never said and now im supposed to respond like 'oh of course killing is bad'...  screw that.   You either show me enough respect to respond to what I said or sit down.  

No one is falling for that.  You're moral high ground is a fraud.   You're ALL CAPS response is childish.  Accept the fact that Kirk was a bigot.  Does that make murder right?  Where did I say murder was right?

Show me.  I said he was a hateful bigot.  I posted above that murder can be wrong and so can Kirk at the same time.

So... back to you.  Why cant you see that people may save rightfully disliked him and why can't you seè that political violence is not left or right.  Its the current state of affairs.



CosmicSex said:
ST.Tachyon said:

So according to you, if someone got murdered just because of his/her political view, as long as these views align with your then its awful, but if you dont agree with that person then its fine that he/she got killed?

Also its funny how you mention "partisan bickering" when half of your posts related to politics promote these bickering and hate based on political view of people.

MURDER IS NOT OK, NO MATTER WHO WE TALK ABOUT, THE FACT THAT WE HAVE DISCUSSION ABOUT IF THAT IS OK OR NOT OK IS UNBELIEVABLE TO ME

You totally ignored everything i said and then tried to substitute with your own contrived bullshit.  Respond to what I said.  Like I responded to what you said.  

And you know why people do what you just did?  They do it because they dont want to or cant acknowledge a point so you completely make up a response to something I never said and now im supposed to respond like 'oh of course killing is bad'...  screw that.   You either show me enough respect to respond to what I said or sit down.  

No one is falling for that.  You're moral high ground is a fraud.   You're ALL CAPS response is childish.  Accept the fact that Kirk was a bigot.  Does that make murder right?  Where did I say murder was right?

Show me.  I said he was a hateful bigot.  I posted above that murder can be wrong and so can Kirk at the same time.

So... back to you.  Why cant you see that people may save rightfully disliked him and why can't you seè that political violence is not left or right.  Its the current state of affairs.

your posts speak for themselves. we can all see what you wrote. sure, you won't "celebrate" it yourself, but you'll provide a list of excuses why other people might celebrate it that might make it permissible. but you're definitely not, just these other people who might be doing it, here is why and also its understandable.

ill echo his sentiment, its just crazy that we feel the need to say that this is not ok. if you look through this thread, there are at least 5 or 6 other users who have said something similar. maybe take that, reflect on it, look in the mirror, and try to become a better person once its all said and done. I dont really know what else to say at this point. 



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To be fair, a lot of people on the internet is making jokes about it.