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Was it, in your opinion?

They could have won 14 34.15%
 
It was unwinnable 27 65.85%
 
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Pemalite said:
curl-6 said:

I wouldn't count stuff like say Wind Waker HD or Metroid Prime Remastered as part of the Gamecube ecosystem personally, as by the time they were remade Gamecube was long dead and buried.

There's factors other than just profitability as well; Gamecube saw Nintendo's market share shrink significantly, which is not the mark of successful platform.

The budgets for those games came at a cost during the Gamecube generation, which would have eroded profit margins at the time.

The WiiU added another 2.4~ million copies to Wind Wakers sales and now has rolled into Nintendo's subscription service for recurring revenue... So some of the expenses during the Gamecubes life is being recouped even today.

Marketshare isn't everything, profits are... Because that ultimately dictates support, re-releases, remasters, remakes and sequels in the end.
Microsoft is making more money than Nintendo or Sony and they sell the least amount of hardware... And because of that, they can still justify another console generation.

Future and sustainable profit is what is important and it's not only a more nuanced but more useful perspective that whatever the quarterly profit has been lately. Given the current horrible business environment the Xbox brand is in, and their move to a multiple kind of focus, will the sales continue to shrink or will they turn things around? 



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Pemalite said:
Kyuu said:

Your 2nd paragraph used the $80 billion MS gaming grossed as an argument for Series being a success. Xbox console and software sales have been declining since the Xbox One, and profitability is unknown. It's a failure in most relevant and known metrics.

The Xbox platform may soon disappear (merge with PC and be dwarfed by Steam). Won't matter to Microsoft much now that they're easily the biggest game software company among the "big 3". Tencent is the only platform holder that rivals them in this metric.

I literally stated it's the ENTIRE gaming division on numerous occasions.

If you somehow surmised that I meant "Xbox Series" has made $80 billion, then you misinterpreted my statements and took them out of their intended context, that fault lays with you.

Your words:

Microsoft Series even though it's only sold a fraction of the Xbox 360 consoles, is still a success as Microsoft has made a profit on the platform. (Their gaming division since the Xbox Series Launched has raked in over $80 billion.)

You made a connection between the rising revenue (I know you meant the entire gaming division) and Xbox Series when there is none.

The platform is declining, Microsoft gaming is growing. Xbox platform dying and MS gaming dominating can occur at the same time. I disagree on linking Microsoft's growth with Xbox Series' so called success.

And until the acquisitions pay themselves, MS gaming's true profits will remain in the minus. It'll take them forever to achieve this, and most of the money will come through Steam, Playstation, and Nintendo gamers who are NOT part of their "platform". Xbox may as well disappear and MS will remain a gaming giant. There's just no connection between MS gaming growth and Xbox Series's "success".



Kyuu said:
Pemalite said:

I literally stated it's the ENTIRE gaming division on numerous occasions.

If you somehow surmised that I meant "Xbox Series" has made $80 billion, then you misinterpreted my statements and took them out of their intended context, that fault lays with you.

Your words:

Microsoft Series even though it's only sold a fraction of the Xbox 360 consoles, is still a success as Microsoft has made a profit on the platform. (Their gaming division since the Xbox Series Launched has raked in over $80 billion.)

You made a connection between the rising revenue (I know you meant the entire gaming division) and Xbox Series when there is none.

The platform is declining, Microsoft gaming is growing. Xbox platform dying and MS gaming dominating can occur at the same time. I disagree on linking Microsoft's growth with Xbox Series' so called success.

And until the acquisitions pay themselves, MS gaming's true profits will remain in the minus. It'll take them forever to achieve this, and most of the money will come through Steam, Playstation, and Nintendo gamers who are NOT part of their "platform". Xbox may as well disappear and MS will remain a gaming giant. There's just no connection between MS gaming growth and Xbox Series's "success".

Thank you for quoting me and literally proving with evidence that I did factually say "Gaming Division". - Thus your attempt at making an argument out of nothing can cease.



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Pemalite said:
Kyuu said:

Your words:

Microsoft Series even though it's only sold a fraction of the Xbox 360 consoles, is still a success as Microsoft has made a profit on the platform. (Their gaming division since the Xbox Series Launched has raked in over $80 billion.)

You made a connection between the rising revenue (I know you meant the entire gaming division) and Xbox Series when there is none.

The platform is declining, Microsoft gaming is growing. Xbox platform dying and MS gaming dominating can occur at the same time. I disagree on linking Microsoft's growth with Xbox Series' so called success.

And until the acquisitions pay themselves, MS gaming's true profits will remain in the minus. It'll take them forever to achieve this, and most of the money will come through Steam, Playstation, and Nintendo gamers who are NOT part of their "platform". Xbox may as well disappear and MS will remain a gaming giant. There's just no connection between MS gaming growth and Xbox Series's "success".

Thank you for quoting me and literally proving with evidence that I did factually say "Gaming Division". - Thus your attempt at making an argument out of nothing can cease.

Nowhere did I state or imply that you meant the $80 billion were from Xbox alone.

"You made a connection between the rising revenue (I know you meant the entire gaming division) and Xbox Series when there is none."

If you read the above and still couldn't comprehend what I was getting at, then I suppose my attempts indeed failed.



firebush03 said:

To add to this discussion: If Nintendo was able to “win” the PS4/XBO (or PS5/XBSX) generation coming off 13.5mil Wii Us sold, then Microsoft could’ve pulled something off. It was by no means impossible.

Big difference here was exclusives, software that people want to play and that was not available anywhere else, plus different design of console.

Switch was hybrid of 2 with Nintendo uniting both their handheld and home

Series S/X is just more powerful Xbox One with no exclusive software.

Its totally different situation.

The only way i could see Xbox competitive this gen, not to win, just to be competitive, was to have Series X cost 300-350e  and Series S to cost around 150-200e



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ST.Tachyon said:
firebush03 said:

To add to this discussion: If Nintendo was able to “winâ€Â the PS4/XBO (or PS5/XBSX) generation coming off 13.5mil Wii Us sold, then Microsoft could’ve pulled something off. It was by no means impossible.

Big difference here was exclusives, software that people want to play and that was not available anywhere else, plus different design of console.

Switch was hybrid of 2 with Nintendo uniting both their handheld and home

Series S/X is just more powerful Xbox One with no exclusive software.

Its totally different situation.

The only way i could see Xbox competitive this gen, not to win, just to be competitive, was to have Series X cost 300-350e  and Series S to cost around 150-200e

Exactly! Imagine if XBSXS chose the route of being an affordable hybrid system with graphics comparable to PS5 (docked) (which Microsoft would sell at a loss (they could afford it)). And let’s say Microsoft didn’t port over all their first-party software, keeping everything exclusive to Xbox & PC. Then you’ve got a system that could have easily beat PS5 this gen.



Kyuu said:
Pemalite said:

Thank you for quoting me and literally proving with evidence that I did factually say "Gaming Division". - Thus your attempt at making an argument out of nothing can cease.

Nowhere did I state or imply that you meant the $80 billion were from Xbox alone.

"You made a connection between the rising revenue (I know you meant the entire gaming division) and Xbox Series when there is none."

If you read the above and still couldn't comprehend what I was getting at, then I suppose my attempts indeed failed.

That is blatantly false. Why are you still trying to make an argument out of nothing, when there is none?



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