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Chrkeller said:
Ryuu96 said:

If you didn't read the article, and don't care, and barely know what was said, why would you post it so nonchalantly as a rebuttal to another user? Lol. He was arrested for inciting violence, the encouragement for violence is right there in the tweet where he tells people to punch trans people in the balls, the acts aren't new, he would have been arrested under the Public Order Act 1986 and Serious Crime Act 2007.

Section 4 of the Public Order Act 1986

(1) A person is guilty of an offence if he -

  • (a) uses towards another person threatening behaviour, or
  • (b) distributes or displays to another person any writing, sign or other visible representation which is threatening

with intent to cause that person to believe that immediate unlawful violence will be used against him or another by any person, or to provoke the immediate use of unlawful violence by that person or another, or whereby that person is likely to believe that such violence will be used or it is likely that such violence will be provoked.

The Serious Crime Act 2007 replaced the common law crime of incitement with a statutory offence of encouraging or assisting crime. Intentionally encouraging or assisting an offence.

No matter what you think about trans people, telling people to go around and punch them in the balls is encouraging a violent, illegal act, because it is not legal to simply go around and punch people in the balls. Leave them the fuck alone, bullying is up against LGBTQ+ in the UK, trans people are being treated like shit recently in the UK, bigots are feeling more emboldened to be violent against them, Graham knows full well what he is doing, he isn't an idiot, he like JK Rowling has bene utterly unhinged about trans people for years now.

I didn't.  I posed it as a question, not a rebuttal.  Learn to read?

Yeah, I'm calling bullshit on that one. I don't believe for a second it was just an innocent, genuine question, instead of an attempt of a sarcastic rhetorical question as a rebuttal to previous comments. But okay, I can't read your mind, I just don't believe you and we'll get nowhere on this specific line of debate so there's no point in going any further.

The irony of telling me to learn to read when you can't be bothered to read about the thing you're criticising, the same thing you later stated that you don't care about because you don't live in the UK but then tell me it was a genuine question, so you must care about it somewhat, Idfk.

Oh well, this will go nowhere, Lol.

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Ryuu96 said:
Chrkeller said:

I didn't.  I posed it as a question, not a rebuttal.  Learn to read?

Yeah, I'm calling bullshit on that one. I don't believe for a second it was just an innocent, genuine question, instead of an attempt of a sarcastic rhetorical question as a rebuttal to previous comments. But okay, I can't read your mind, I just don't believe you and we'll get nowhere on this specific line of debate so there's no point in going any further.

The irony of telling me to learn to read when you can't be bothered to read about the thing you're criticising, the same thing you later stated that you don't care about because you don't live in the UK but then tell me it was a genuine question, so you must care about it somewhat, Idfk.

Oh well, this will go nowhere, Lol.

You can call it whatever you want.  Facts don't care about your opinion.  I didn't quote anybody and asked a question.  Nothing more.  Relax bud and drop old grudges.    

If only you were this upset when a VG member called for the murder of all conservatives, lol.  



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Chrkeller said:
Ryuu96 said:

Yeah, I'm calling bullshit on that one. I don't believe for a second it was just an innocent, genuine question, instead of an attempt of a sarcastic rhetorical question as a rebuttal to previous comments. But okay, I can't read your mind, I just don't believe you and we'll get nowhere on this specific line of debate so there's no point in going any further.

The irony of telling me to learn to read when you can't be bothered to read about the thing you're criticising, the same thing you later stated that you don't care about because you don't live in the UK but then tell me it was a genuine question, so you must care about it somewhat, Idfk.

Oh well, this will go nowhere, Lol.

You can call it whatever you want. Facts don't care about your opinion. I didn't quote anybody and asked a question. Nothing more. Relax bud and drop old grudges.

If only you were this upset when a VG member called for the murder of all conservatives, lol.

Lol.

I think you're projecting a little, I was trying to go easy on you until you told me to learn to read, Lmao. I would happily admit that we don't tend to get along and past experiences is why I believe what I do, but I wouldn't say I'm acting on a grudge, a bit odd of you to try to accuse me of that, it might be you that has the grudge.

Reminder that I've never moderated you, I've never completely shut you out, I wasn't particularly happy about you leaving the first time around, I deleted my comments on your wall as a show of good faith, I've always maintained that offer of support to you in regards to your family situation. I've often reached across the aisle so to speak with you, due to your anti-Trump stance despite me disagreeing with you on practically everything else. Sure there are some people I actively dislike but I wouldn't describe that as a grudge, they're just assholes.

You did nothing to insult or offend me, I do not believe you treated me badly, we both gave to each other the same amount but you are barely on my mind bro, you aren't special amongst the hundreds of people that I've argued with over the years, and I've had 10x nastier arguments with other people than I have had with yourself, and I still talk to those people because I move on quickly, I'm not trying to insult you or anything but I don't care about you enough to hold a grudge and that's the honest truth.

I literally posted in Modchat that I feel like I have to walk on eggshells around you now because of how you left last time we had a debate. Now I want an out of this debate to avoid that happening again, so I'll back off on this current debate about the transphobic comedian and leave it at that, the tweet has been posted in full, the laws have been established, I can move on.

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Chrkeller said:
zorg1000 said:

Yes, I don’t see how that’s a counter argument to what I said?

Curl said that he shares the right’s views about freedom of speech, I gave many examples of how the right does not actually support free speech. You can’t be the side of free speech while defunding universities, deporting students & suing networks because you don’t like what they say or by trying to cancel anything you view as “wokeâ€Â.

My argument isn’t that the left supports free speech, my argument is that free speech isn’t a right wing view.

Wasn't directed solely at you.  The previous page was about cancel culture and I saw a headline yesterday, didn't follow the full story, but seemed like it fit cancel culture.  Also the whole boycott Hogwarts Legacy is another example.  For the record I hate cancel culture on both sides.  Free speech means hearing things you don't like, part of life. 

Also why do billionaire colleges even get federal funding?  Harvard has an endowment of $53,000,000,0000...  they need my tax dollars why?

Gotcha, your post was right after mine so I thought you were replying to it, my bad.

I did a quick google search and from what I understand, private universities don’t get direct funding from the government, it’s things like applying for research grants, students getting financial aid and using the tax code to get tax breaks so it’s not like the government is handing them a blank check that they can use on whatever they want.

Overall, I agree that private universities shouldn’t be getting federal funds and that money could be used to bring down the cost of community college & public universities but regardless, Trump shouldn’t be able to cancel that funding because he doesn't like what they say or do.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

Is there some bug that's getting worse or something? Lmao. Zorg's post in Chrkeller's box and earlier I tried to respond to someone in here and it completely erased my post, I forgot what user it was but it was the first time it had ever happened to me, maybe there's some fuckery happening to the quoting functionality?

Edit - To stay on topic a little, the poll probably should have had a centre option.

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zorg1000 said:
Chrkeller said:

Wasn't directed solely at you.  The previous page was about cancel culture and I saw a headline yesterday, didn't follow the full story, but seemed like it fit cancel culture.  Also the whole boycott Hogwarts Legacy is another example.  For the record I hate cancel culture on both sides.  Free speech means hearing things you don't like, part of life. 

Also why do billionaire colleges even get federal funding?  Harvard has an endowment of $53,000,000,0000...  they need my tax dollars why?

Gotcha, your post was right after mine so I thought you were replying to it, my bad.

I did a quick google search and from what I understand, private universities don’t get direct funding from the government, it’s things like applying for research grants, students getting financial aid and using the tax code to get tax breaks so it’s not like the government is handing them a blank check that they can use on whatever they want.

Overall, I agree that private universities shouldn’t be getting federal funds and that money could be used to bring down the cost of community college & public universities but regardless, Trump shouldn’t be able to cancel that funding because he doesn't like what they say or do.

Agreed on both points.  

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Especially with financial aid.  Give someone 60k a year for Harvard or give 6 people 10k each for a State School...  easy decision.  Any University worth billions shouldn't be receiving my tax dollars.  



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curl-6 said:
zorg1000 said:

Maybe it’s different where you are but in the US we literally have a right wing administration that is defunding universities and taking away student visas over protests about Gaza, sending the National Guard into cities because people are protesting ICE raids and suing television networks because they edited an interview or reported a story he doesn’t like. Because of that, any argument about freedom of speech being a right wing view is flat out laughable.

“The solution to discrimination is to stop discriminating” what exactly does this mean? Just sounds like a catch phrase without any substance. If women, minorities & LGBT people are being denied opportunities or having rights stripped away from them, how do you fix that? Also, please give me actual examples of white people or men being penalized for being white or male.

The US is something of an outlier among the developed world because they have a hard right government at present.

If you treat people the same regardless of race or gender, then equality will arise naturally from the fact that no race or gender is actually superior.

Sure, but I also brought up examples of individuals, not the US government, employing cancel culture tactics about anything they perceive as “woke”, which by now just means “things I don’t like”. My point is free speech isn’t a left/right thing.

But again, what you’re saying sounds good in theory but it doesn’t actually address the issue and ignores that people aren’t treated the same. If the government doesn’t step in and help groups that are being discriminated against, who will? Pretending that racism, sexism & xenophobia don’t exist doesn’t help anything.

Also, you still haven’t given examples of white men being punished for being white men.



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Ryuu96 said:
Chrkeller said:

You can call it whatever you want. Facts don't care about your opinion. I didn't quote anybody and asked a question. Nothing more. Relax bud and drop old grudges.

If only you were this upset when a VG member called for the murder of all conservatives, lol.

Lol.

I think you're projecting a little, I was trying to go easy on you until you told me to learn to read, Lmao. I would happily admit that we don't tend to get along and past experiences is why I believe what I do, but I wouldn't say I'm acting on a grudge, a bit odd of you to try to accuse me of that, it might be you that has the grudge.

Reminder that I've never moderated you, I've never completely shut you out, I wasn't particularly happy about you leaving the first time around, I deleted my comments on your wall as a show of good faith, I've always maintained that offer of support to you in regards to your family situation. I've often reached across the aisle so to speak with you, due to your anti-Trump stance despite me disagreeing with you on practically everything else. Sure there are some people I actively dislike but I wouldn't describe that as a grudge, they're just assholes.

You did nothing to insult or offend me, I do not believe you treated me badly, we both gave to each other the same amount but you are barely on my mind bro, you aren't special amongst the hundreds of people that I've argued with over the years, and I've had 10x nastier arguments with other people than I have had with yourself, and I still talk to those people because I move on quickly, I'm not trying to insult you or anything but I don't care about you enough to hold a grudge and that's the honest truth.

I literally posted in Modchat that I feel like I have to walk on eggshells around you now because of how you left last time we had a debate. Now I want an out of this debate to avoid that happening again, so I'll back off on this current debate about the transphobic comedian and leave it at that, the tweet has been posted in full, the laws have been established, I can move on.

I told you to read because you falsely accused me of rebutting someone with argument.  Facts: I didn't quote anyone, and I asked a question.  I literally did not make a statement.    

The issue, IMHO, you put a lot of words in my mouth, most of which are not true.  

And I left last time because I had you nailing my wall, Pi hitting me up in chat and a third mod hitting me when I was posting + in chat.  As far as I am concerned, there is no way to spin 3 mods being up my ***.  It wasn't appropriate, and I think you know it.   



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Chrkeller said:
Ryuu96 said:

Lol.

I think you're projecting a little, I was trying to go easy on you until you told me to learn to read, Lmao. I would happily admit that we don't tend to get along and past experiences is why I believe what I do, but I wouldn't say I'm acting on a grudge, a bit odd of you to try to accuse me of that, it might be you that has the grudge.

Reminder that I've never moderated you, I've never completely shut you out, I wasn't particularly happy about you leaving the first time around, I deleted my comments on your wall as a show of good faith, I've always maintained that offer of support to you in regards to your family situation. I've often reached across the aisle so to speak with you, due to your anti-Trump stance despite me disagreeing with you on practically everything else. Sure there are some people I actively dislike but I wouldn't describe that as a grudge, they're just assholes.

You did nothing to insult or offend me, I do not believe you treated me badly, we both gave to each other the same amount but you are barely on my mind bro, you aren't special amongst the hundreds of people that I've argued with over the years, and I've had 10x nastier arguments with other people than I have had with yourself, and I still talk to those people because I move on quickly, I'm not trying to insult you or anything but I don't care about you enough to hold a grudge and that's the honest truth.

I literally posted in Modchat that I feel like I have to walk on eggshells around you now because of how you left last time we had a debate. Now I want an out of this debate to avoid that happening again, so I'll back off on this current debate about the transphobic comedian and leave it at that, the tweet has been posted in full, the laws have been established, I can move on.

I told you to read because you falsely accused me of rebutting someone with argument.  Facts: I didn't quote anyone, and I asked a question.  I literally did not make a statement.    

The issue, IMHO, you put a lot of words in my mouth, most of which are not true.  

And I left last time because I had you nailing my wall, Pi hitting me up in chat and a third mod hitting me when I was posting + in chat.  As far as I am concerned, there is no way to spin 3 mods being up my ***.  It wasn't appropriate, and I think you know it.   

I do not agree with you that it wasn't appropriate, I don't think we shouldn't be allowed to debate with users just because we're Mods and have to wait our turn to have an input, Pi-Guy wasn't acting in a Mod capacity against you at all, he was having a debate with you, I don't know who that 3rd Mod was or what that chat was, (PM?) and the only reason I posted on your wall was because I wanted to take the off-topic discussion out of the thread. Not once were you moderated or even warned of moderation IIRC.

Your last moderation was in 2020 by CGI-Quality and it seems that was about some Mod disagreement which resulted in a threat to leave the site so it's not like it's not a trend with yourself to threaten to leave or straight up leaving.

Mod Note in 2020: (You're free to leave if you want, you're free to remain if you want. You're even free to disagree with a moderation. BUT, mods nor users will take abuse from you in the forums, in PMs, nor on Walls. You have a problem with self control. Your mod history shows that and all recent dealings with you tell me that. So, the Warning against you was obviously well placed, and if this is what we can expect from you, then yes, stay gone!)

I think your issue is that you see us only as Mods and maybe have a problem with authority figures, you've threatened to leave the site once based on a previous disagreement with moderation, you actually followed up with your threat last year to leave the site due to a disagreement with a Mod, but to be clear, disagreements with users who happen to be Mods, not a disagreement with a Mod decision.

Since I'm debating with you now, does that mean that anyone else who disagrees with you who is also a Mod isn't allowed to respond to you? It should make no difference whether we're Mods or not, unless we're acting on official Mod business. We're also still USERS who agree or disagree with other users. If you can't make that distinction then it is a you problem. I think it's pretty obvious when I'm debating as a user and when I'm smacking someone down as a Mod, Lol. I think it's obvious with other Mods too.

Surely you see the awkward situation you're putting us in as well? Debate with you too much and you leave, take the off-topic conversation to your wall and you complain, take it to PM and you will complain, if we continue it here we're dragging the thread off-topic. So the only option you're giving us is that we're apparently meant to shut up whilst you make accusations about the Mod team such as us "being inappropriate" which is also what happened last go around. You're being impossible man. Just move on, Lol.

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Tober said:
OdinHades said:

Schwarz-rot ist die Antifa, Antifa bin auch ich!

The more people are shifting to the right and are voting the Nazi scum from AfD for whatever stupid reason, the more extreme I'm leaning to the left. Because we all know what happened the last time when nazis took over germany. I consider it my duty to fight back against exactly that.

I'm not German, I'm your friendly western neighbor. I don't know much about AfD, but why are they considered rightwing? The Nazi's where socialist (it's in the name). Are AfD hardcore capitalist?

The Nazi's were not socialist.  The used the word socialist in their name to attract working people even though they pretty much did nothing for working people especially once they took over power.   When they took over power they outlawed workers unions, froze wages, and outlawed workers strikes.  That sure doesn't sound socialist to me on top of all they privatized more businesses than all other countries in Europe at that time.  And they also put most socialist leaders into concentration camps and outlawed all opposition political parties.  Plus, on the Night of the Long Knives in 1934 they purged and killed all left leaning members from their party.

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