This is really surprising. Gay men should love working @ Disney. I had a friend that had a summer internship @ Disney some years ago and he loved it.
This is really surprising. Gay men should love working @ Disney. I had a friend that had a summer internship @ Disney some years ago and he loved it.
| Soundwave said: They release other movies but the focus is very strictly on finding these same kind of franchise movies aimed at largely the same audience over and over again (young men). And what's happened? Other demographics have just stopped going to movie theaters period. |
My brother in Christ.. I find it quite amusing that you see an article titled "Corp seeking ways to win back young men" and you feel the need to go "Oh, no. It is actually other demographics that have stopped going to the theater". I mean, this article was based on research data, you know?
And I don't even understand how you even got to that conclusion anyways; I mean, the existence of 4 Marvel movies a year did not stop women from watching Lilo & Stich, Moana 2, Wicked, Inside Out 2, Barbie, It Ends with Us, Beauty and The Beast, etc. And the existence of 4 Marvel movies a year did not stop adult men from watching Top Gun Maverick, Openheimer, Dune, F1, Joker, James Bond, Avatar, Sinners, Weapons, etc, etc, etc.
Again, movies for "other audiences" are not only still being made (like usual), but they are doing just fine. There is a reason why we are not having this discussion in an article titled "Disney is seeking ways to win back women and 'other audiences'".
| shavenferret said: This is really surprising. Gay men should love working @ Disney. I had a friend that had a summer internship @ Disney some years ago and he loved it. |
Hollywood has always been over represented compared to the general public.
I don't think this has ever been a issue.
The problem the article is talking about, is the other 20 men for each 1 gay man out there.
They stopped going to the movies to watch movies (at the same rates they used too),
because Disney changed their movies to appeal to other focus groups (mainly women).
Disney is falling for the "modern audience" take.
That everything needs a female focus, and you put a angry feminist in charge of everything, and suddenly not only do your movies sell to men, but also to everyone else at higher rates. This failed. Disney are finding out, that they cannot take male dominated IP, not respect the source material, and change it, and still get them to go watch it.
Basically Disney needs to pick between sticking with what works, or their messaging.
Or just dropping anything male related, if they don't honestly want to try to appeal to men.
(they already are heavily female leaning, anyways, that was why they bought Starwars and Marvel, to win over guys...)
| chakkra said: My brother in Christ.. I find it quite amusing that you see an article titled "Corp seeking ways to win back young men" and you feel the need to go "Oh, no. It is actually other demographics that have stopped going to the theater". I mean, this article was based on research data, you know? And I don't even understand how you even got to that conclusion anyways; I mean, the existence of 4 Marvel movies a year did not stop women from watching Lilo & Stich, Moana 2, Wicked, Inside Out 2, Barbie, It Ends with Us, Beauty and The Beast, etc. And the existence of 4 Marvel movies a year did not stop adult men from watching Top Gun Maverick, Openheimer, Dune, F1, Joker, James Bond, Avatar, Sinners, Weapons, etc, etc, etc. Again, movies for "other audiences" are not only still being made (like usual), but they are doing just fine. There is a reason why we are not having this discussion in an article titled "Disney is seeking ways to win back women and 'other audiences'". |
I think you are missing his point entirely. Disney is loosing the young men audience NOW, but that is only such a problem because they have been the main focus for more than a decade at the expense of others.
You may say that they are making movies for other audiences too, well one audience that is, little girls, but even those movies are not receiving the same backing as the nerd garbage. And even the stuff Disney makes for little girls are just rehashes of older much better films, so they are bound to end up in the same situation as Marvel/Star Wars eventually, people get tired of being fed the same shit over and over.
To Soundwave’s point here is the Box office top ten from 2018, when the nerd franchises were at the height of popularity:
Avengers: Infinity War
Black Panther
Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom
Incredibles 2
Aquaman
Bohemian Rhapsody
Venom
Mission Impossible - Fallout
Deadpool 2
Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindewald
You can’t tell me this is a balanced top ten with stuff for everybody. There is Bohemian Rhapsody as an outlier Fantastic Beasts overlap with some other audience groups. The rest is pretty much for the same audience. Any year in the 2010s look similar.
Nowadays the charts are a bit different, mainly because the Marvel and Star Wars stuff doesn’t excite people so much anymore - that is a good thing. A lot of the people Disney relied on to rake up those box office numbers would now rather see the new Sonic movie, Dune, Godzilla, Minecraft or a tv series. So if Disney have to compete they have to make something that isn’t the same as what they have been doing for 15 years.
Last edited by Vinther1991 - on 26 August 2025JRPGfan said:
Hollywood has always been over represented compared to the general public. |
then i completely agree....... disney destroyed star wars.
Vinther1991 said:
I think you are missing his point entirely. Disney is loosing the young men audience NOW, but that is only such a problem because they have been the main focus for more than a decade at the expense of others. You may say that they are making movies for other audiences too, well one audience that is, little girls, but even those movies are not receiving the same backing as the nerd garbage. And even the stuff Disney makes for little girls are just rehashes of older much better films, so they are bound to end up in the same situation as Marvel/Star Wars eventually, people get tired of being fed the same shit over and over. To Soundwave’s point here is the Box office top ten from 2018, when the nerd franchises were at the height of popularity: Avengers: Infinity War Black Panther Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom Incredibles 2 Aquaman Bohemian Rhapsody Venom Mission Impossible - Fallout Deadpool 2 Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindewald You can’t tell me this is a balanced top ten with stuff for everybody. There is Bohemian Rhapsody as an outlier Fantastic Beasts overlap with some other audience groups. The rest is pretty much for the same audience. Any year in the 2010s look similar. Nowadays the charts are a bit different, mainly because the Marvel and Star Wars stuff doesn’t excite people so much anymore - that is a good thing. A lot of the people Disney relied on to rake up those box office numbers would now rather see the new Sonic movie, Dune, Godzilla, Minecraft or a tv series. So if Disney have to compete they have to make something that isn’t the same as what they have been doing for 15 years. |
I think you missing the point here.
Comic heroes were always most loved by boys, the same way how romantic movies were always more loved by girls.
Disney tried to make movies for audience that dont care about these movies and you saw how that ended.
Man just stopped watching movies that target audience that also dont care about these movies.
Its not "nerd" movies, simply, guys like these type of movies much more then woman, easy and simple.
Movies DONT NEED TO BE FOR EVERYONE, why is it so hard to understand that
If you know who your main audience is and still decide to ignore it for the sake of appealing to everyone then you can only blame your self.
I just Wish that Sony got Marvel back in days but Disney had a lot of backstage power and they got then for almost nothing.
Soo, wait a minute, Avengers Endgame managed to become the highest-grossing movie of all time… and people are honestly denying that a significant chunk of that audience must logically have been female? Or was that just the universe compensating for all the women who (supposedly) made Titanic such a success back in the day because they thought Leonardo DiCaprio was so hawt?
| ArchangelMadzz said: People aren't buying into Marvel Movies anymore because it's not pandering to young men anymore, it's because they're continuing to make bad movies long after people have grown tired of superheros that aren't spiderman, superman and batman |
I agree with you. Although I think they need better writers.
I don't care what the writer is: trans / gay / straight / male / female whatever. Don't try to browbeat the audience with your personal agenda. Write a good story and if you want to slip your identity politics into the work be subtle about it not so damn overt.
The sad thing is, with Marvel they have a very deep well of all kinds of characters. Take Guardians of the Galaxy. not that high of a percentage of even comic book fans knew anything about them. Take those or other lesser known heroes / groups and build / adapt a good story and you will find a new audience. With a good enough story and the right cast you could feature characters from pretty much any marginalized group and not have it hated on so hard.
The_Yoda said:
I agree with you. Although I think they need better writers. I don't care what the writer is: trans / gay / straight / male / female whatever. Don't try to browbeat the audience with your personal agenda. Write a good story and if you want to slip your identity politics into the work be subtle about it not so damn overt. The sad thing is, with Marvel they have a very deep well of all kinds of characters. Take Guardians of the Galaxy. not that high of a percentage of even comic book fans knew anything about them. Take those or other lesser known heroes / groups and build / adapt a good story and you will find a new audience. With a good enough story and the right cast you could feature characters from pretty much any marginalized group and not have it hated on so hard. |
Disagree, overt politics is fine ie. Star Wars, ATLA, Superman 2025, etc.
They're just pumping out uninteresting movies, and marvel fatigue really set in.
There's only 2 races: White and 'Political Agenda'
2 Genders: Male and 'Political Agenda'
2 Hairstyles for female characters: Long and 'Political Agenda'
2 Sexualities: Straight and 'Political Agenda'
ArchangelMadzz said:
Disagree, overt politics is fine ie. Star Wars, ATLA, Superman 2025, etc. |
I would argue that the majority of men in particular consume films and video games as an avenue for escapism. Hitting them consistently over the head with overt politics defeats the purpose of watching said material.
If I want someone's political opinion there are countless opinionated politicians and news to listen to.
I agree regarding the bad writing, but that is what happens when many of these writers are more concerned about their political virtue signalling instead of focusing on a compelling story and characters.
One simple antidote I would suggest is to reintroduce the hero's journey for characters instead of making them perfect and thus unrelatable. Audiences are more likely to connect with characters that struggle and grow over time which makes the payoff genuinely worthwhile.