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SeaDaVie said:
Mummelmann said:

And there we have it; where have I mentioned Muslims? You're just here to talk shit and toss age-old labels around. I challenge your strange takes and you mark me some form of racist or bigot based on other peoples' words. Get off your high horse.

I can perfectly well think the school made a mistake, and still don't be a fascist, nazi, or anything along those lines, do you possess enough cognitive powers to fathom such an incredible thing? 

I work with kids (yes; even Muslim ones) and removing someone from class in front of everyone and isolating them is a shameful to do to a child. 

Here’s the thing that marks you for who you are. You came into this discussion and took objection to what I had to say, and zero objection to any of the many anti-Muslim statements made. You’re shown yourself for who you are.

So if I don't directly address everyone's posts and words, that makes me complicit to said words and opinions? Jesus. You know nothing about who I am, I've been here for almost twenty years and you won't find a single soul in here who would label me as you do. 

I work with autistic kids from all over the map, and with all sorts of religious beliefs and cultural heritage. I accept people for who they are, unlike people who run rampant calling people bigots, racists, incels, and other choice words for sport. I honestly feel sorry for you, your cynical view on others will cause stress and discomfort wherever you go. You are precisely what you accuse others of being, only coming at it from a different angle.



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Mummelmann said:
SeaDaVie said:

Here’s the thing that marks you for who you are. You came into this discussion and took objection to what I had to say, and zero objection to any of the many anti-Muslim statements made. You’re shown yourself for who you are.

So if I don't directly address everyone's posts and words, that makes me complicit to said words and opinions? Jesus. You know nothing about who I am, I've been here for almost twenty years and you won't find a single soul in here who would label me as you do. 

I work with autistic kids from all over the map, and with all sorts of religious beliefs and cultural heritage. I accept people for who they are, unlike people who run rampant calling people bigots, racists, incels, and other choice words for sport. I honestly feel sorry for you, your cynical view on others will cause stress and discomfort wherever you go. You are precisely what you accuse others of being, only coming at it from a different angle.

Yes, if you chose to take zero interest in the actual intolerant and xenophobic remarks being made, but take umbrage at a strict interpretation of a traditional cultural dress code, then yes that does very much imply what way you are leaning and what sort of opinions you are ok with. 

”You know nothing of who i am” then in the next paragraph proceeds to explain exactly who you believe me to be. Is this parody? 



SeaDaVie said:
Mummelmann said:

And there we have it; where have I mentioned Muslims? You're just here to talk shit and toss age-old labels around. I challenge your strange takes and you mark me some form of racist or bigot based on other peoples' words. Get off your high horse.

I can perfectly well think the school made a mistake, and still don't be a fascist, nazi, or anything along those lines, do you possess enough cognitive powers to fathom such an incredible thing? 

I work with kids (yes; even Muslim ones) and removing someone from class in front of everyone and isolating them is a shameful to do to a child. 

Here’s the thing that marks you for who you are. You came into this discussion and took objection to what I had to say, and zero objection to any of the many anti-Muslim statements made. You’re shown yourself for who you are.

Referring to the UK as a Muslim country is not a wild take but challenging the cultural significance of a spice girl outfit and a cheap plastic carnival hat is a wild take. 

So humiliating a child for being proud of her own culture in a country where she is the majority is okay, but disliking a religion (an ideology mind you, not a race) that in many cases murders non-believers and LGBT+ people, espouses child marriage, and enslaves women is wrong? Religions are not exempt from criticism, there's a whole thread about that just down the page.

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SeaDaVie said:

Here’s the thing that marks you for who you are. You came into this discussion and took objection to what I had to say, and zero objection to any of the many anti-Muslim statements made. You’re shown yourself for who you are.

Referring to the UK as a Muslim country is not a wild take but challenging the cultural significance of a spice girl outfit and a cheap plastic carnival hat is a wild take. 

Here's the thing that marks you for who you are.

You came into a discussion about an article that described how a 12 year old child was shamed and mistreated in front of her peers and your first instinct was to support and excuse the inappropriate behavior of those responsible.

The debate about her dress doesn't even matter that much, the way the situation was handled is the worst part, but you didn't give a damn about that, not as long as you could climb up on your political soap box.

Then you followed that up with an infantile attack on the sexuality of anyone who disagreed with you. 

Bravo.  You've shown yourself for who you are and it's not a good look.



Saying there are too many foreigners in the country and “They’re taking over” is not the same as hating a religion. Foreigners, Muslims are people. Islam is a religion.

I dislike the religion of Islam, even more so than Christianity. I have no problems with the vast majority’s of Muslims and Christian’s though. 



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pokoko said:
SeaDaVie said:

Here’s the thing that marks you for who you are. You came into this discussion and took objection to what I had to say, and zero objection to any of the many anti-Muslim statements made. You’re shown yourself for who you are.

Referring to the UK as a Muslim country is not a wild take but challenging the cultural significance of a spice girl outfit and a cheap plastic carnival hat is a wild take. 

Here's the thing that marks you for who you are.

You came into a discussion about an article that described how a 12 year old child was shamed and mistreated in front of her peers and your first instinct was to support and excuse the inappropriate behavior of those responsible.

The debate about her dress doesn't even matter that much, the way the situation was handled is the worst part, but you didn't give a damn about that, not as long as you could climb up on your political soap box.

Then you followed that up with an infantile attack on the sexuality of anyone who disagreed with you. 

Bravo.  You've shown yourself for who you are and it's not a good look.

I’m pretty sure it was handled in the absolutely normal fashion for someone wearing an outfit deemed inappropriate. 

I didn’t climb onto any political soapbox, my comment was a reference to the infringement that lead to the behaviour, in direct opposition to almost everyone else who used it as an excuse to launch into anti-immigration and xenophobic commentary. 



I don't have a problem with anyone who practises Islam peacefully and ethically and doesn't do any of the above either, they should be free to be proud of their culture and heritage too.

But it's not hard to see where people's frustrations come from when they see a British kid being punished for being proudly British, the implication being that in Britain it's okay to be any culture except, you know, British, that the majority are second class citizens in their own land.

She's only 12, you don't single out a child like that.

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curl-6 said:

I don't have a problem with anyone who practises Islam peacefully and ethically and doesn't do any of the above either, they should be free to be proud of their culture and heritage too.

But it's not hard to see where people's frustrations come from when they see a British kid being punished for being proudly British, the implication being that in Britain it's okay to be any culture except, you know, British, that the majority are second class citizens in their own land.

The key point here is if she’d been something like, say, Indian and shed turned up dressed like a famous Indian pop band star and wearing an Indian flag as a cape, would she have been treated in the same way, or would that have been deemed an appropriate cultural outfit? I’m fairly sure she’d have been treated in the same way, but obviously that’s just speculation.



SeaDaVie said:

This is what traditional cultural outfit look like btw



https://www.lovetoknow.com/life/lifestyle/national-costumes-world

No British ones in the list, can you educate me what a British one would look like? An English one is ok too.



SeaDaVie said:
curl-6 said:

I don't have a problem with anyone who practises Islam peacefully and ethically and doesn't do any of the above either, they should be free to be proud of their culture and heritage too.

But it's not hard to see where people's frustrations come from when they see a British kid being punished for being proudly British, the implication being that in Britain it's okay to be any culture except, you know, British, that the majority are second class citizens in their own land.

The key point here is if she’d been something like, say, Indian and shed turned up dressed like a famous Indian pop band star and wearing an Indian flag as a cape, would she have been treated in the same way, or would that have been deemed an appropriate cultural outfit? I’m fairly sure she’d have been treated in the same way, but obviously that’s just speculation.

Cultural doesn't need to be necessarily traditional or folklorical. If a Korean kid wanted to be dressed as kpop star it would be completely appropriate too (as long the outfit was not sexual or skimpy)

The teacher made a mistake and the school recognized it, move on lol