Only in japan.

totalwar23 said: Words Of Wisdom said: I think people are being a little unfair to Ajax. Better graphics and hardware give artists more freedom to give life to their artistic vision. I could just imagine how frustrating it would be to be an artist wanting for a game to look just perfect but to be hindered because the machine was not technically able to fulfill my artistic vision. Maybe all the little touchs that suck up processing power don't matter to some people. Maybe flowing hair and rippling realistic water aren't important to you. But consider it from the perspective artist would love to see her creations come to life in vivid beauty. No one "needs" anything, but it's better to have lots of capabilities in the machine and not need them all than to be limited, restricted by what the machine can do. If Square feels that the PS3's hardware is most able to fully convey their artistic vision to the world then that's what they'll use (within reason, budget...etc).  Well then why doesn't all "artists" just develop their games for top of the line PCs. That way, they won't be hindered by anything at all.

Let's try that again.

Words Of Wisdom said: totalwar23 said: Words Of Wisdom said: I think people are being a little unfair to Ajax. Better graphics and hardware give artists more freedom to give life to their artistic vision. I could just imagine how frustrating it would be to be an artist wanting for a game to look just perfect but to be hindered because the machine was not technically able to fulfill my artistic vision. Maybe all the little touchs that suck up processing power don't matter to some people. Maybe flowing hair and rippling realistic water aren't important to you. But consider it from the perspective artist would love to see her creations come to life in vivid beauty. No one "needs" anything, but it's better to have lots of capabilities in the machine and not need them all than to be limited, restricted by what the machine can do. If Square feels that the PS3's hardware is most able to fully convey their artistic vision to the world then that's what they'll use (within reason, budget...etc). Well then why doesn't all "artists" just develop their games for top of the line PCs. That way, they won't be hindered by anything at all. Let's try that again.

It's nice you just zero in on one statement and ignore everything else (Not to mention PCs are cheaper to develop). But as I said, SE spent $40 milliom making FFXII and considering a good chunk of games today don't even reach that mark. FFXIII started on the PS2 and then scrubbed, and then moved on the PS3 (and probably with a huge development budget) and most likely won't be released until mid 2009 to a lower install base. Is that reasonable?

i hope they dont all go to the wii it will be like a second wave of ps2 rpg. Look at the last remnant and white knight chronicles there on a different scale where u will fight 70 enemies at once or monsters with cities on there back. Also why would FF14 go to the wii if it would only be step down from the PS 3 in every technical acpect

Stever89 said: Hmmm. I'm going to repeat what I said before: It's likely that FF will never go to the Wii, unless it bombs hard on the Wii. But I still think SE will develop a non-spin off (in other words, a new IP) RPG for the Wii, because there's going to be demand for it there. And if they don't, some other company (like I said on the last page) that might be on the brink of bankruptcy, will make one last RPG game for the Wii, and it will sell gangbusters, and then might become the new standard for RPGs. It would be poor business to allow a competitor to just walk into a market that will sooner or later demand a real RPG and just take it. DQS, a spin off (of a spin off I have heard), did 500k in Japan. There's demand there for a RPG. It would be silly to not "tap" that. Whether it's with a main FF game or a new IP is debatable. I would have to say new IP since Nintendo already relies too much on sequels.

 

I think it's safe to say they are probably one or more developers making wii rpg's right now as when the other 2 consoles are not clearing 10,000 units per week and the leader currently has 68.6% of japans console userbase, is still outselling it's rivals by a massive week to week margin, is relatively cheaper to develop for and has very little JRPG genre then it's gonna cross peoples minds at some point.

 

square enix isn't the only one developer who are making jrpgs but is probably the only one who will be making jrpgs for ps360 because he's got enough money for it(but he's still making soul eater exclusive for wii). except maybe capcom/namco with 2-3 jrpgs this generation and games bought by sony/microsoft(but we can count them on one hand) every other japanease developer will be making jrpgs straight to the wii because most of them doesn't have few milions just for development and they won't sell enought to make profit on hd consoles.

as a winning console in japan and the cheapest one in developing wii will have most of future japanease games in this generation.

As-long as mistwalker remains exclusive the 360 I don't care.

Bursche said: FinalEvangelion said: *bleu-ocelot* said: Bursche said: Yes the Wii will be ahead of all genres except for FPS and racers exclusives. Why does graphics make the deciding factor anyway? The PS2 was the weakest system last gen, yet had all the major FFs. If you optimize the graphics, the Wii can produce very stunning visuals. The HD audience will be disappointed but the average gamer will not care. Personally the graphics between the best looking PS3 and Wii game will not persuade a developer to give away the amount of profit that will be made between releasing it on PS3 rather than Wii.   Who's to say that if FF14 did come out on the wii it would appeal to everybody that owns a wii and that the PS3 would not see the same amount of copies sold as the wii would. I agree. Some of these Wii fanboys need to remember what Wada said himself. He clearly stated that he was going to care more about the international market more than the Japanese market (wordwide release, etc.). If FF XIII sells 6-8 mil. copies, I don't think they will change for their main series. With bundles worldwide and worldwide release on the same day, I don't see it being impossible. Most of the sales come from outside of Japan anyway.     To sell 6 million copies, there needs to be an attach rate of about 50%. That means one of every two PS3 owners would buy it. Hopeful thinking much? FFX had sold about 8 million on a console with a userbase of more than 120 million. Hopeful much?

 

TBH, if I respond to this post exactly how I would want to respond, I'll be banned.  I'll be diplomatic.

 

1.  You are assuming that the PS3 won't sell another unit between now and the time FF XIII comes out.  It's about a year away, if not more.  There will be more than 12m units by then.

2.  Final Fantasy X did not come out yesterday.  It came out when the install base was much less than 120 million.

 

I think that's about all. 

FinalEvangelion said: Bursche said: FinalEvangelion said: *bleu-ocelot* said: Bursche said: Yes the Wii will be ahead of all genres except for FPS and racers exclusives. Why does graphics make the deciding factor anyway? The PS2 was the weakest system last gen, yet had all the major FFs. If you optimize the graphics, the Wii can produce very stunning visuals. The HD audience will be disappointed but the average gamer will not care. Personally the graphics between the best looking PS3 and Wii game will not persuade a developer to give away the amount of profit that will be made between releasing it on PS3 rather than Wii.   Who's to say that if FF14 did come out on the wii it would appeal to everybody that owns a wii and that the PS3 would not see the same amount of copies sold as the wii would. I agree. Some of these Wii fanboys need to remember what Wada said himself. He clearly stated that he was going to care more about the international market more than the Japanese market (wordwide release, etc.). If FF XIII sells 6-8 mil. copies, I don't think they will change for their main series. With bundles worldwide and worldwide release on the same day, I don't see it being impossible. Most of the sales come from outside of Japan anyway.     To sell 6 million copies, there needs to be an attach rate of about 50%. That means one of every two PS3 owners would buy it. Hopeful thinking much? FFX had sold about 8 million on a console with a userbase of more than 120 million. Hopeful much?     TBH, if I respond to this post exactly how I would want to respond, I'll be banned. I'll be diplomatic.   1. You are assuming that the PS3 won't sell another unit between now and the time FF XIII comes out. It's about a year away, if not more. There will be more than 12m units by then. 2. Final Fantasy X did not come out yesterday. It came out when the install base was much less than 120 million.   I think that's about all.

 

final evangelion, final fantasy games sell mainly in japan, and right now many games that always made succes on ps2 in japan on ps3 was a bomb if you know that there is more than 2mln ps3s on the market(folklore, virtua figter 5, time crisis 4, ninja gaiden sigma, heavenly sword, eye of judgment not to mention imabikisou) and right now situation of final fantasy XIII and XIII versus is unclear. maybe they will succed like the other final fantasy games in a long run after end of this generation, but right now i don't think XII can sell few milion copies as fast as previous games if japan won't start actually buying ps3.

waron: Final Fantasy games may sell more in Japan than the US or Others, but it does not sell more in Japan than both combined. Final Fantasy sells well everywhere.

Ajax: I'm sorry I ignored this thread because you badly need support against people that don't seem to understand basic ideas.

Since FF7, Square likes to impress with visuals. It is part of how they like to tell stories. The more powerful the system is, the more you can do with whatever your artistic style is. Those that don't think the power of a console effects art style need to look at some Atari games. You are just kidding yourself.

The N64 could not handle FF7. They had too many FMVs for catridges. They would have needed too many catridges to fit in a box. For its time, FF7 was fantastic looking.

Money: putting FF7 on PS1 was about money. They could not have made their masterpiece on N64.

After FF13 comes out and sells millions in every region, the fan base for Square on PS3 will be large. If Last Remnant is successful, then perhaps the 360 also gets FF14 (if it even comes out this generation). However, to think Square's FF team is suddenly going to sacrafice visuals enough to go with last-gen visuals that the Wii produces is just not understanding what they like to do with FF games now. Many developers like to push visuals. Just ask the Ninja Gaiden developer. Yes, money also factors in which is why the Xbox never got FFX or FF12, but the PS2 was nowhere near as far as the Wii is.

I'll be happy this time next year when all the big third party games are still being announced for the PS3 and 360, because by then maybe we'll stop hearing this excuse that the games have been in development forever and that's the only reason they aren't on the Wii.

I very much look forward to many series on the Wii, and it very well could get a lot of RPGs (such as Suikoden and DQ that don't push visuals as much), but like many genres, I also enjoy games that push visuals and so do developers. I'll never understand all you Wii fanboys that don't want videogames to advance visually. You can do a lot with art style but the more power you have the more you can do.

GT developers, Hideo Kojima of MGS, Itagaki of NG, the Final Fantasy team, and many others like to push visuals. What's wrong with that? Why can't we keep moving forward graphically?