By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our Terms of Use. Close

Forums - Politics - Rise of Atheism, discussion of pro-atheist topics, and disavowal of the 3 abramic faiths

Lavamelon said:

I live in Australia, atheists here live hedonistic lifestyles full of alcohol, dr*gs, gambling, hookup culture, and other distasteful lifestyles

The only reason why atheists are "good people" is because they live in first world societies where they never experience poverty, starvation, extreme water shortages, etc. Its easy to be a "moral" person when you are living such a comfortable lifestyle isn't it? If you were born into a poverty-stricken third world society you wouldn't be the same as who you are now

I live in Australia too. I'm an atheist. Never gambled, never done drugs, rarely drink, in a long term committed relationship.

I know plenty of religious people who do; got an alcoholic uncle who is an outspoken Christian for example.

Generalizations and stereotypes are rarely helpful.



Around the Network
curl-6 said:
Lavamelon said:

I live in Australia, atheists here live hedonistic lifestyles full of alcohol, dr*gs, gambling, hookup culture, and other distasteful lifestyles

The only reason why atheists are "good people" is because they live in first world societies where they never experience poverty, starvation, extreme water shortages, etc. Its easy to be a "moral" person when you are living such a comfortable lifestyle isn't it? If you were born into a poverty-stricken third world society you wouldn't be the same as who you are now

I live in Australia too. I'm an atheist. Never gambled, never done drugs, rarely drink, in a long term committed relationship.

I know plenty of religious people who do; got an alcoholic uncle who is an outspoken Christian for example.

Generalizations and stereotypes are rarely helpful.

You are in a long-term committed relationship, but do you have an intention to marry and have children? Because hedonism discourages people from having traditional family structures (raising kids etc) because they focus more on their hobbies and personal interests. As for me, I am married and have three kids.



JackHandy said:
JWeinCom said:

Christ explicitly endorses everything in the old testament.

"For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."


If you guys want to cling to your prejudice, that's your choice. I would implore against it, regardless of why it's there, since this world has enough toxicity to kill an entire galaxy and the burdens and traps that lie within are pure poison... but I can't keep attempting to bring sight to the blind. It's too exhausting and disheartening. I've given my best pitch for peace, and that's all I can do.

Take care and best of luck.

I love how Christians react when they actually have to respond to what's actually in the bible. XD

You did not come to pitch peace, you came to talk shit about atheists, failed to defend your position at every turn, and then made a passive aggressive exit.

Lavamelon said:
JWeinCom said:

Christ explicitly endorses everything in the old testament.

"For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."


When people asked Jesus if a woman caught in adultery should be punished, Jesus said "whichever person among you has never sinned, you may cast the first stone".

Yup. Which is certainly a contradiction. But, that's not really my problem.



JWeinCom said:
JackHandy said:

If you guys want to cling to your prejudice, that's your choice. I would implore against it, regardless of why it's there, since this world has enough toxicity to kill an entire galaxy and the burdens and traps that lie within are pure poison... but I can't keep attempting to bring sight to the blind. It's too exhausting and disheartening. I've given my best pitch for peace, and that's all I can do.

Take care and best of luck.

I love how Christians react when they actually have to respond to what's actually in the bible. XD

You did not come to pitch peace, you came to talk shit about atheists, failed to defend your position at every turn, and then made a passive aggressive exit.

Lavamelon said:

When people asked Jesus if a woman caught in adultery should be punished, Jesus said "whichever person among you has never sinned, you may cast the first stone".

Yup. Which is certainly a contradiction. But, that's not really my problem.

No contradiction, Jesus is the Son of God, He can do as He pleases.



Lavamelon said:
curl-6 said:

I live in Australia too. I'm an atheist. Never gambled, never done drugs, rarely drink, in a long term committed relationship.

I know plenty of religious people who do; got an alcoholic uncle who is an outspoken Christian for example.

Generalizations and stereotypes are rarely helpful.

You are in a long-term committed relationship, but do you have an intention to marry and have children? Because hedonism discourages people from having traditional family structures (raising kids etc) because they focus more on their hobbies and personal interests. As for me, I am married and have three kids.

I'm autistic; if I had kids they'd most likely be autistic as well. If they ended on on the severe side of the spectrum, which is a strong possibility, I would not be able to give them the kind of support they would need, and they would probably have a miserable life. It's better not to bring kids into the world if they're just going to suffer.



Around the Network
curl-6 said:
Lavamelon said:

You are in a long-term committed relationship, but do you have an intention to marry and have children? Because hedonism discourages people from having traditional family structures (raising kids etc) because they focus more on their hobbies and personal interests. As for me, I am married and have three kids.

I'm autistic; if I had kids they'd most likely be autistic as well. If they ended on on the severe side of the spectrum, which is a strong possibility, I would not be able to give them the kind of support they would need, and they would probably have a miserable life. It's better not to bring kids into the world if they're just going to suffer.

I suggest we stop feeding the obvious troll. 



JWeinCom said:
curl-6 said:

I'm autistic; if I had kids they'd most likely be autistic as well. If they ended on on the severe side of the spectrum, which is a strong possibility, I would not be able to give them the kind of support they would need, and they would probably have a miserable life. It's better not to bring kids into the world if they're just going to suffer.

I suggest we stop feeding the obvious troll. 

I'm not being a troll, you are just throwing labels at me because you don't have any arguments against what I say. Just go and throw labels.



Lavamelon said:

Everything you said is completely wrong. First of all, we theists don't "reject" science, we simply believe the universe was created by God, and science is simply the laws of physics that control the way the universe works, nothing more than that. No conflict between God and science.

That is literally a rejection of science.

There is zero evidence your hypothetical God exists... But there is evidence the Big Bang occurred.

Lavamelon said:

Second, abiogenesis has NOT been proven. It is merely a hypothesis, not even a full-fledged theory. The amount of evidence we have to prove abiogenesis happened is no higher than the amount of evidence to prove that Santa Claus is climbing down peoples chimneys to deliver presents to children.

There is strong evidence for Abiogensis.

You have the Miller-Urey experiment for example.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller%E2%80%93Urey_experiment

Basically they managed to create organic compounds (Amino acids) from non-organic which is chemical constituents of proteins, 

There is more evidence for Abiogensis than "Santa Claus" or "God". And that is simply a fact.

Lavamelon said:

You get paid to be a firefighter. You are not doing this hard work for free

The importance of evidence... It can actually make a difference.

Yes I have a paid role which is 2 weeks on/2 weeks off.

On my 2 weeks off period I do actually do it for free locally, with my volunteer station.
For about 5 years prior to being a paid firefighter, I was purely volunteer.

So yes. I do actually "do this for free".

Lavamelon said:

I live in Australia, atheists here live hedonistic lifestyles full of alcohol, dr*gs, gambling, hookup culture, and other distasteful lifestyles

I live in Australia, I am an Atheist.
I don't live a lifestyle full of alcohol, drugs, gambling, hookup and other "distasteful" lifestyles.

And even if I did, it's not your business or concern anyway.



Lavamelon said:

The only reason why atheists are "good people" is because they live in first world societies where they never experience poverty, starvation, extreme water shortages, etc. Its easy to be a "moral" person when you are living such a comfortable lifestyle isn't it? If you were born into a poverty-stricken third world society you wouldn't be the same as who you are now

This is false.

You don't know me or my background, as a child I was left homeless and had to fend for myself, get a job, education, house, car and work my way up from literally nothing, just the clothes on my back.
It's not all sunshine, lollipops and rainbows just because I live in a "first world country".

...Some of us actually have to fight and work to get to where we are. - And why did this happen? Because my parents were highly religious and I was no longer their child because I was LGBTQI. (The 90's was a different era in Australia.)

Atheists are "good people" because of empathy. - We are animals with a ton of different senses and receptors.. One of those receptors is pain.
We do not like pain inflicted upon us, thus we are unlikely to inflict pain on others.

In saying that... Many religious zealots engage in criminal behavior, be-headings, rape, murder, abuse, war, death, drugs and more.

Religion doesn't make you "good" anymore than being Atheist makes you "bad".


Lavamelon said:

Christianity has lots of denominations, but the religion is still the same overall. The only main differences are the social hierarchy (Pope or no Pope), apart form that, not much else is different. Same religion under a different banner.


No. It's really not the same overall.

7th day Adventists forbid you to eat Pork and wear clothing of mixed fabrics and believe in the Genesis account as a literal interpretation of how the world was created... Which literally conflicts with the CENTURIES of science and evidence we have today that proves Genesis to be false.

They are NOT the same as a more progressive branch of Christianity who do not have a literal interpretation.

Lavamelon said:

We have evidence for God. 

No you don't.
And if you did, you would be the first person to ever do so in 6,000 years and likely win a nobel prize.

There wasn't even a world wide flood.

Lavamelon said:

We know that the universe is finely tuned for life. If the laws of physics were slightly different, we wouldn't be alive right now because the chemistry in our bodies would be too unstable.

The universe is not finely tuned for life.

We evolved to current conditions... And outside of those conditions we are remarkably fragile.

Too cold? You are dead.
Too hot? You are dead.
Too much water? You are dead.

Which is why 99% of the planet is actually dangerous/incompatible with human life... The Oceans, arctic regions, deserts and more... Without aids, we would be dead and unable to survive.

The Bible cannot even get basic math like Pi correct. It is not a source of truth... It is the claim.

Lavamelon said:

No contradiction, Jesus is the Son of God, He can do as He pleases.

There is zero evidence for this.



--::{PC Gaming Master Race}::--

Pemalite said:
Lavamelon said:

Everything you said is completely wrong. First of all, we theists don't "reject" science, we simply believe the universe was created by God, and science is simply the laws of physics that control the way the universe works, nothing more than that. No conflict between God and science.

That is literally a rejection of science.

There is zero evidence your hypothetical God exists... But there is evidence the Big Bang occurred.

Lavamelon said:

Second, abiogenesis has NOT been proven. It is merely a hypothesis, not even a full-fledged theory. The amount of evidence we have to prove abiogenesis happened is no higher than the amount of evidence to prove that Santa Claus is climbing down peoples chimneys to deliver presents to children.

There is strong evidence for Abiogensis.

You have the Miller-Urey experiment for example.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller%E2%80%93Urey_experiment

Basically they managed to create organic compounds (Amino acids) from non-organic which is chemical constituents of proteins, 

There is more evidence for Abiogensis than "Santa Claus" or "God". And that is simply a fact.

Lavamelon said:

You get paid to be a firefighter. You are not doing this hard work for free

The importance of evidence... It can actually make a difference.

Yes I have a paid role which is 2 weeks on/2 weeks off.

On my 2 weeks off period I do actually do it for free locally, with my volunteer station.
For about 5 years prior to being a paid firefighter, I was purely volunteer.

So yes. I do actually "do this for free".

Lavamelon said:

I live in Australia, atheists here live hedonistic lifestyles full of alcohol, dr*gs, gambling, hookup culture, and other distasteful lifestyles

I live in Australia, I am an Atheist.
I don't live a lifestyle full of alcohol, drugs, gambling, hookup and other "distasteful" lifestyles.

And even if I did, it's not your business or concern anyway.



Lavamelon said:

The only reason why atheists are "good people" is because they live in first world societies where they never experience poverty, starvation, extreme water shortages, etc. Its easy to be a "moral" person when you are living such a comfortable lifestyle isn't it? If you were born into a poverty-stricken third world society you wouldn't be the same as who you are now

This is false.

You don't know me or my background, as a child I was left homeless and had to fend for myself, get a job, education, house, car and work my way up from literally nothing, just the clothes on my back.
It's not all sunshine, lollipops and rainbows just because I live in a "first world country".

...Some of us actually have to fight and work to get to where we are. - And why did this happen? Because my parents were highly religious and I was no longer their child because I was LGBTQI. (The 90's was a different era in Australia.)

Atheists are "good people" because of empathy. - We are animals with a ton of different senses and receptors.. One of those receptors is pain.
We do not like pain inflicted upon us, thus we are unlikely to inflict pain on others.

In saying that... Many religious zealots engage in criminal behavior, be-headings, rape, murder, abuse, war, death, drugs and more.

Religion doesn't make you "good" anymore than being Atheist makes you "bad".


Lavamelon said:

Christianity has lots of denominations, but the religion is still the same overall. The only main differences are the social hierarchy (Pope or no Pope), apart form that, not much else is different. Same religion under a different banner.


No. It's really not the same overall.

7th day Adventists forbid you to eat Pork and wear clothing of mixed fabrics and believe in the Genesis account as a literal interpretation of how the world was created... Which literally conflicts with the CENTURIES of science and evidence we have today that proves Genesis to be false.

They are NOT the same as a more progressive branch of Christianity who do not have a literal interpretation.

Lavamelon said:

We have evidence for God. 

No you don't.
And if you did, you would be the first person to ever do so in 6,000 years and likely win a nobel prize.

There wasn't even a world wide flood.

Lavamelon said:

We know that the universe is finely tuned for life. If the laws of physics were slightly different, we wouldn't be alive right now because the chemistry in our bodies would be too unstable.

The universe is not finely tuned for life.

We evolved to current conditions... And outside of those conditions we are remarkably fragile.

Too cold? You are dead.
Too hot? You are dead.
Too much water? You are dead.

Which is why 99% of the planet is actually dangerous/incompatible with human life... The Oceans, arctic regions, deserts and more... Without aids, we would be dead and unable to survive.

The Bible cannot even get basic math like Pi correct. It is not a source of truth... It is the claim.

Lavamelon said:

No contradiction, Jesus is the Son of God, He can do as He pleases.

There is zero evidence for this.

That is not rejection of science at all. You might be aware that atheists also believe in all kinds of things without evidence, plenty of scientists believe in parralell universes and alien life despite having zero evidence for those. Oh, and Elon Musk likely believes we live inside a computer simulation just like the Matrix. Good luck finding evidence for that

The Big Bang Theory has come into question recently, here is an article from 3 weeks ago saying the Big Bang might not have happened at all, but rather started inside a Black Hole:

Universe may have started inside black hole, not from Big Bang

Urey-Miller experiment is outdated nowadays, the experiment assumed a "reducing atmosphere" rich in hydrogen, which we now believe might not be fully accurate using todays scientific knowledge. Also, the glassware used in the experiment influenced the results. The experiment was good for its time, but its not much anymore.

You sometimes work for free, that is awesome, I apologize for my assumptions. Keep in mind I don't know you on a personal level, I had no way of knowing what your payment schedule is like. You are awesome for that.



Lavamelon said:

That is not rejection of science at all. You might be aware that atheists also believe in all kinds of things without evidence, plenty of scientists believe in parralell universes and alien life despite having zero evidence for those. Oh, and Elon Musk likely believes we live inside a computer simulation just like the Matrix. Good luck finding evidence for that

1) It is a rejection of science.

2) Atheists isn't a foundation for a set of beliefs. Atheism or Anti-Theist is literally a non-adherence to religious propaganda as the burden of proof has NOT been met.

3) Scientists believe in all sorts of things even on a personal level, such as God.
However Scientists can only publish data in a scientific whitepaper that has evidence and repeatable testing and can thus be verified... Thus the personal beliefs of any scientist is thus irrelevant.

4) Elon Musk can believe whatever he wants. Elon Musk isn't an empirical source of truth. Elon Musk gets things wrong.
Elon Musk is irrelevant to the topic at hand.

Lavamelon said:

The Big Bang Theory has come into question recently, here is an article from 3 weeks ago saying the Big Bang might not have happened at all, but rather started inside a Black Hole:

Universe may have started inside black hole, not from Big Bang

The great thing about science is that science will change it's position based on new evidence coming available.

That doesn't make it wrong or incorrect.

As for your article... I suggest you skip the dumbed-down version from MSN and go to the original source at "The Conversation".
https://theconversation.com/what-if-the-big-bang-wasnt-the-beginning-our-research-suggests-it-may-have-taken-place-inside-a-black-hole-258010

In short, it doesn't replace the current Big Bang Theory, it just augments and adds to it. 

But again, this doesn't prove or disprove your particular God, making it an irrelevant point.

Lavamelon said:

Urey-Miller experiment is outdated nowadays, the experiment assumed a "reducing atmosphere" rich in hydrogen, which we now believe might not be fully accurate using todays scientific knowledge. Also, the glassware used in the experiment influenced the results. The experiment was good for its time, but its not much anymore.

Hydrogen is literally the most abundant component in the entire universe.

And you are missing the point of the scientific method... This test has been repeatedly demonstrated over the past century.
You could also do it at home.

And again, even if Abiogensis wasn't factual, doesn't mean your particular God exists anyway.

This is the issue with apologetic's like yourself, you use deductive reasoning and believe everything else to be "false" even when it has evidence... And then just the excuse "God did it" without any evidence.

Lavamelon said:

You sometimes work for free, that is awesome, I apologize for my assumptions. Keep in mind I don't know you on a personal level, I had no way of knowing what your payment schedule is like. You are awesome for that.

And this is why evidence is important and why you shouldn't automagically assume something without said evidence.

What I do is a passion, not just a paycheck... And I can assure you, majority of us firefighters in Australia, do not believe in God.
Your God doesn't keep us safe, training, reliance on our peers and our PPE keeps us safe.


...But I also must ask you... What do you think of cancer in children and babies? Your particular God must be responsible for that horrific evil. It's criminal to allow it to happen.



--::{PC Gaming Master Race}::--