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JackHandy on 25 June 2025
Pemalite said:
JackHandy said:

In no Bible will you find Christ commanding the death of doctors, or the killing of anyone. These are mentally-ill people and should be judged independently, just as all people should be judged independently, including atheists.

If Christians behaved the way they were suppose to behave, you would consider them the nicest, most loving people on the face of the earth.

Well... The Bible does say:

2 Chronicles 15:13"That whosoever would not seek the Lord God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman."

Yes it's the old testament... But, the laws in the old testament are still binding.

Luke 16:17
“It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid.”

The Bible is full of immoral stuff...

For example:
Deuteronomy 22:28
"If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father.  Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her."

Basically God in the Bible enables the marriage of a rape victim onto their attacker. - And there are hundreds of similar morally corrupt examples all throughout the texts. (But also some positive stuff as well, just can't ignore the negative.)

And this is the foundation of the Jewish, Christian and Muslim religions, it's morally corrupt and evil in my eyes.

Thankfully most Christian denominations pick and choose what parts of the Bible to preach and tend to ignore the negative commands the Bible puts forward... But it does rear it's ugly head in social issues like LGBTQI and womens rights. (I.E. Abortion, same sex marriage etc'.)
...And of course is often used as a justification for war and violence. See: Lord Kony and the Lords Republic Army which would recruit children and make them soldiers in order to try and turn Uganada into a Theocratic nation based on the 10 commandments in the Bible.

I am of the belief that there needs to be freedom of religion, but that also has the implied right of freedom FROM religion, religion is a personal choice and shouldn't influence, interfere or overrule politics or civil rights like Same-Sex Marriage, Abortion, Science and Technology and more.

I said Christ.



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Pemalite on 25 June 2025
JackHandy said:
Pemalite said:

Well... The Bible does say:

2 Chronicles 15:13"That whosoever would not seek the Lord God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman."

Yes it's the old testament... But, the laws in the old testament are still binding.

Luke 16:17
“It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid.”

The Bible is full of immoral stuff...

For example:
Deuteronomy 22:28
"If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father.  Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her."

Basically God in the Bible enables the marriage of a rape victim onto their attacker. - And there are hundreds of similar morally corrupt examples all throughout the texts. (But also some positive stuff as well, just can't ignore the negative.)

And this is the foundation of the Jewish, Christian and Muslim religions, it's morally corrupt and evil in my eyes.

Thankfully most Christian denominations pick and choose what parts of the Bible to preach and tend to ignore the negative commands the Bible puts forward... But it does rear it's ugly head in social issues like LGBTQI and womens rights. (I.E. Abortion, same sex marriage etc'.)
...And of course is often used as a justification for war and violence. See: Lord Kony and the Lords Republic Army which would recruit children and make them soldiers in order to try and turn Uganada into a Theocratic nation based on the 10 commandments in the Bible.

I am of the belief that there needs to be freedom of religion, but that also has the implied right of freedom FROM religion, religion is a personal choice and shouldn't influence, interfere or overrule politics or civil rights like Same-Sex Marriage, Abortion, Science and Technology and more.

I said Christ.

Bible commands and Christ aren't separate entities.

The Bible is the "Word of God" is it not?



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JackHandy on 25 June 2025
Pemalite said:
JackHandy said:

I said Christ.

Bible commands and Christ aren't separate entities.

The Bible is the "Word of God" is it not?

Christians are suppose to follow the word of Christ, because he is the way to God. He is their savior and their guide. So if they're doing things like hating gay people, killing abortionists, judging others, fighting wars, molesting children, retaliating or seeking revenge... basically anything other than following the golden rule (do unto others etc.), they are disobeying Christ and thus, not behaving as commanded.

Which is like 90% of so-called Christians these days, sadly.

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Pemalite on 25 June 2025
JackHandy said:
Pemalite said:

Bible commands and Christ aren't separate entities.

The Bible is the "Word of God" is it not?

Christians are suppose to follow the word of Christ, because he is the way to God. He is their savior and their guide. So if they're doing things like hating gay people, killing abortionists, judging others, fighting wars, molesting children, retaliating or seeking revenge... basically anything other than following the golden rule (do unto others etc.), they are disobeying Christ and thus, not behaving as commanded.

Which is like 90% of so-called Christians these days, sadly.

They are following the Bible.

And not all Christian denominations interpret the Bible the same.

Some denominations believe in the Bible in a literal sense (See: 7th day Adventist) and thus the "following of the word of Christ" differs between different Christian groups.

And the Bible does command the death to non-believers, forcing marriage onto rape victims, stoning of unruly children to death and so much more horrific crap.
...It doesn't make them less Christian or more Christian. They are just another type of Christian... And I think that is ultimately the real issue.

And then you have the other branches of the Abrahamic religions which are related to Christianity like Judaism and Islam, which are another take on the same religious context full of damnation, hate and bigotry... The only difference with Christianity is they bolted on the New Testament, but otherwise they all share the same God.



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JWeinCom on 25 June 2025
JackHandy said:
Pemalite said:

Well... The Bible does say:

2 Chronicles 15:13"That whosoever would not seek the Lord God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman."

Yes it's the old testament... But, the laws in the old testament are still binding.

Luke 16:17
“It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid.”

The Bible is full of immoral stuff...

For example:
Deuteronomy 22:28
"If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father.  Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her."

Basically God in the Bible enables the marriage of a rape victim onto their attacker. - And there are hundreds of similar morally corrupt examples all throughout the texts. (But also some positive stuff as well, just can't ignore the negative.)

And this is the foundation of the Jewish, Christian and Muslim religions, it's morally corrupt and evil in my eyes.

Thankfully most Christian denominations pick and choose what parts of the Bible to preach and tend to ignore the negative commands the Bible puts forward... But it does rear it's ugly head in social issues like LGBTQI and womens rights. (I.E. Abortion, same sex marriage etc'.)
...And of course is often used as a justification for war and violence. See: Lord Kony and the Lords Republic Army which would recruit children and make them soldiers in order to try and turn Uganada into a Theocratic nation based on the 10 commandments in the Bible.

I am of the belief that there needs to be freedom of religion, but that also has the implied right of freedom FROM religion, religion is a personal choice and shouldn't influence, interfere or overrule politics or civil rights like Same-Sex Marriage, Abortion, Science and Technology and more.

I said Christ.

Christ explicitly endorses everything in the old testament.

"For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."




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JWeinCom on 25 June 2025
curl-6 said:
KratosLives said:

So it's not the religion thats bad but the people .  A debate can go on for a while, such as has religion done more good than bad.  To me the ratio is probably a million to one. Theres way more good being done on a daily basis than bad. But even if you were to take away religion, it does stop the messed up people doing stupid sad things.  You eliminate religious cults, and others pop up not relating to the 3 main religions. I think it will be a scarier world to be honest.

That's my point; religion is not inherently bad, but neither is it inherently good.

Morality is independent of religion.

No religion is inherently bad. Because once you convince people that "because god said so" is a good rationale for actions, that is a problem.

Most people will say that "god says" to do good things. I.e. god says you should feed the homeless. Ok, great.

But, eventually, certain people will say that god tells them to do things like, exterminate the jews. Or that god hates fags. Or that god wants you to give them all your money. And so on. And it's especially terrible when you convince them that they will receive an eternity of orgasmic bliss for if they do what god wants.

It's really not that hard to draw a direct line between relgiosity and extremism.

Atheism on the other hand in itself is a terrible motivator, especially to get people to perform extreme actions. If I only have one life, it's hard to convince me to fly a plane into a building. But, you might be able to convince me that my life will be better if I use it to help others. Or if, at the very least, I mind my own fucking business and don't cause any trouble.



JackHandy on 25 June 2025
JWeinCom said:
JackHandy said:

I said Christ.

Christ explicitly endorses everything in the old testament.

"For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."


If you guys want to cling to your prejudice, that's your choice. I would implore against it, regardless of why it's there, since this world has enough toxicity to kill an entire galaxy and the burdens and traps that lie within are pure poison... but I can't keep attempting to bring sight to the blind. It's too exhausting and disheartening. I've given my best pitch for peace, and that's all I can do.

Take care and best of luck.



Lavamelon on 25 June 2025
Pemalite said:
TheTitaniumNub said:

Atheism, Satanism, and Christianity are the 3 silliest religions that exist, that people take serious anyways. I'm agnostic personally, the safe religion.

Atheism is -not- a religion.

Atheism is the disbelief/rejection in the existence of God or Gods as the burden of proof has not been met.
That applies equally to all 18,000 God's in human history and the thousands of religions and/or denominations.

The differences between Agnostic and Atheist is that Atheism is a lack/rejection of belief in a God due to lack of evidence.
(And a lack of evidence is often evidence itself. - Case in point: Toxicology screenings. )

Agnostics hold the position that it's "possible" but also impossible to know for sure that a God exists.

You can also be an Agnostic Atheist... I.E. You would not believe in God but also would not claim to know with certainty that God does not exist.


JackHandy said:

Do you know how many atheists have been serial/mass murderers throughout the 19th-21st century? The numbers are staggering. Yet, I doubt you would claim it was fair for people of faith to go out and attack every atheist they see because of this. And with good reason: it's not fair. So too, is it unfair to do the same to people of faith when one of theirs looses their mind and blows up an abortion clinic. They clearly were sick in the head and weren't practicing what they preach.

People just need to leave each other alone. Both sides.

Difference between Atheism and Theism is that Atheism isn't an organized collective.

Theists tend to be organized and institutionalized and do things on a much larger scale... Which is why morally religion tends to have the largest negative impacts on society.

Religion is responsible for the deaths of millions/billions and even attempts at genocide. (Case in point with today with the entire Iran vs Israel debacle which is Islam vs Judaism.)

You only need to read the middle-eastern abrahamic texts that form the basis of Judaism (Torah), Christianity (Bible), Islam (Quran) to see it's not a peaceful and morally right religious basis, it's full of slavery ownership, stoning of children, abuse, damnation, bigotry, judgement, war and more.

Atheism has none of this influence.
If an Atheist is engaging in murder, it's not because their religion told them so, it's because they were mentally troubled... And THAT is the difference here. (Although anyone using a religious book to justify their morally corrupt actions I would argue are also mentally troubled.)

JamesCantu said:

Thanks for setting up this topic. Here’s my position: it’s not a matter of faith vs. science. It’s a matter of faith vs. faith. Atheism is a faith (or religion) in the same way Christianity is. If you think about religion as a “worldviewâ€Â that seeks to explain life’s key questions (where did we come from?, what is our purpose on earth?, what happens when we die?), then atheism fits the bill. It’s the opposite of theism (in my case, evangelical Christianity). 

No. It literally is all about faith vs science.

Faith by it's very definition is blind belief without evidence.

Atheism is a rejection because there is no evidence.

Atheism is not trying to explain life or anything to that degree, it's literally a rejection of the God claim, that's it.


JamesCantu said:

Science is not a religion or worldview - it’s just a tool. And both atheists and theists use that tool, along with other tools (such as logic, probability, mathematics & common sense, among others), to seek answers to life’s questions. 

Theists reject science and the scientific method.

See: Flat Earth.
See: God.
See: Evolution.

All these things conflict with science and evidence.

JamesCantu said:

There are lots of supporting arguments I could use. But I will focus on one: there is absolutely NO way, in my opinion, that the incredible complexity of the human body could have come about on its own. Science teaches us how astonishingly complex the human body is, even at the cellular level. There are as many as 50 trillion cells in the human body. And each cell contains as many as 100 trillion atoms. And they work together with incredible precision, like a miniature city. And DNA is this amazing atomic language. There is absolutely no way that could have come about on its own through time & chance, Please - a simple binder clip couldn’t even create itself in a billion years! How much less a body? The human body begs for a brilliant, genius, all-powerful Creator. And atheists like Richard Dawkins know this. That’s why they come up with silly, desperate ideas like “aliens seeded the planet.â€Â They’re just replacing “Godâ€Â with “aliens,â€Â but who created the aliens?

Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one.

Abiogensis is the process in which life arose from non-living matter, there is evidence and observation for this.
Evolution is the process in which change in characteristics of biological populations over successive generations.
Natural selection is the process in which organisms adapt to their environment and augments Evolution.
DNA evolved from RNA as the genetic information exceeded RNA's capacity to store and transfer that information.
RNA can store genetic information and catalyze chemical reactions, which is why it's the precursor to DNA.

To discard the centuries of evidence, understanding and observation of these processes and just say "God did it" without evidence, is silly and nonsensical.

JamesCantu said:

That’s why they come up with silly, desperate ideas like “aliens seeded the planet.â€Â They’re just replacing “Godâ€Â with “aliens,â€Â but who created the aliens?

There is the same amount of evidence for Aliens as there is for your particular God... That is zero, zilch, nada.

Richard Dawkins doesn't assert that Aliens exist.

JamesCantu said:

I’m sorry, but atheism is a desperate religion that makes no sense. 

It's not a religion. It's not organized. It's not faith based. It's not a belief.

Everyone who has ever lived, currently lives... And will be alive in the future... Was born Atheist. You included.

JamesCantu said:

Atheists have to throw their brains in the trash can and ignore the obvious “fingerprintâ€Â of God in His creation of human life, other forms of life, the universe, and all of its amazing properties that we have discovered & have yet to discover!

Because Atheists support science, evidence and the forward of human knowledge... Have their brains in the bin?

Yet... Someone who claims "God did it" without evidence are somehow correct in their baseless assertions? What kind of illogical reasoning is that?

JamesCantu said:


Truth be told, all of the atheists I have ever met have not really taken the time to think about whether what they believe is actually true & makes sense. Rather, they quickly adopt it, because they love the fact that they can live their life with moral impunity, and they use it as a “coping mechanism,â€Â so they don’t have to worry about a divine judgment in the afterlife (even though it will happen, & they will be condemned to hell for all of eternity). They can sleep with whomever they want. They can put whatever chemicals they want into their body. And they can have all of the fun they want. Itâ€Âs basically “sex, drugs, and rock & rollâ€Â with no one to tell them “no.â€Â They make themselves the “lord of their life.â€Â 

You keep making assertions about Atheists, I am one. And I can assure you... You are wrong.
1) I have morals. I am a firefighter and save lives. - No religion required.
2) I don't put "whatever chemicals I want" into my body, I prioritise my health. - No religion required.
3) I don't "have all the fun I want" work and life comes first. - No religion required.
4) I don't engage in drugs, sex, rock and roll. - No religion required.
5) I don't make myself the "lord of my life".

Remember... Everyone is born Atheist, it's only later in life that people like yourself that they get indoctrinated into their cult of choice... And then go on a baseless tirade against those who believe differently which you have demonstrably demonstrated rather empirically in this thread.

JamesCantu said:


There are really only two religions out there - you either make Jesus Christ your Lord & Savior, or you make yourself your lord & savior. That’s it. Atheists have made their choice, and I pray for them, because I truly care about them & love them. And God loves them, too. “The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.â€Â (2 Peter 3:9). And “Jesus is the stone you builders rejected, which has become the cornerstone. Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.â€Â (Acts 4:11-12).

Actually there are over 10,000 distinct religions in the world.

Even with your particular cult, there is over 5,000 denominations... That's right, 5,000+ distinct christian groups who don't even agree about their own religion.
And you expect Atheists to believe you?

If your God is going to punish anyone, then your God is not worthy of worship.
I have dedicated my life to saving and helping others, if that means I go to your religions unproven and hypothetical "Hell" - Then your God is an immoral monster.

Remember, the Bible is the claim, not evidence.




Everything you said is completely wrong. First of all, we theists don't "reject" science, we simply believe the universe was created by God, and science is simply the laws of physics that control the way the universe works, nothing more than that. No conflict between God and science.

Second, abiogenesis has NOT been proven. It is merely a hypothesis, not even a full-fledged theory. The amount of evidence we have to prove abiogenesis happened is no higher than the amount of evidence to prove that Santa Claus is climbing down peoples chimneys to deliver presents to children.

You get paid to be a firefighter. You are not doing this hard work for free

I live in Australia, atheists here live hedonistic lifestyles full of alcohol, dr*gs, gambling, hookup culture, and other distasteful lifestyles

The only reason why atheists are "good people" is because they live in first world societies where they never experience poverty, starvation, extreme water shortages, etc. Its easy to be a "moral" person when you are living such a comfortable lifestyle isn't it? If you were born into a poverty-stricken third world society you wouldn't be the same as who you are now

Christianity has lots of denominations, but the religion is still the same overall. The only main differences are the social hierarchy (Pope or no Pope), apart form that, not much else is different. Same religion under a different banner.

We have evidence for God. We know that the universe is finely tuned for life. If the laws of physics were slightly different, we wouldn't be alive right now because the chemistry in our bodies would be too unstable.



Lavamelon on 25 June 2025
JWeinCom said:
JackHandy said:

I said Christ.

Christ explicitly endorses everything in the old testament.

"For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."


When people asked Jesus if a woman caught in adultery should be punished, Jesus said "whichever person among you has never sinned, you may cast the first stone".



Lavamelon on 25 June 2025
Pemalite said:
JackHandy said:

I said Christ.

Bible commands and Christ aren't separate entities.

The Bible is the "Word of God" is it not?

The Bible was written by humans - it was inspired by God, but not written by Him.