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BFR said:
the-pi-guy said:

Every political spectrum is subjective. 

I'm all for political comparisons, but only ones that make sense...

Republicans vs. Democrats - I like

Blue states vs. Red states - I like

Liberals vs. Conservatives - I like

Left vs. Right - I like

Authoritarian vs. Libertarian - I don't like, because it doesn't make any sense.

And why not? It's more objective than the difference between Republicans and Democrats.



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the-pi-guy said:
BFR said:

I'm all for political comparisons, but only ones that make sense...

Republicans vs. Democrats - I like

Blue states vs. Red states - I like

Liberals vs. Conservatives - I like

Left vs. Right - I like

Authoritarian vs. Libertarian - I don't like, because it doesn't make any sense.

And why not? It's more objective than the difference between Republicans and Democrats.

Give me a few names of politicians who are Authoritarian? Give me a few names of those who are Libertarian?



BFR said:

Give me a few names of politicians who are Authoritarian? Give me a few names of those who are Libertarian?

Why is this worse to you than left vs right? 

The same issue exists there. Most US politicians are (subjectively) right wing. 

Democrats tend to be more left wing than Republicans, and they tend to be more libertarian than Republicans. 



Machiavellian said:
bdbdbd said:

I believe I pointed out the gender swap as a DEI policy. It's pretty hard to have "gay representation wit gay actors" in movies and such, because your sexual orientation isn't anyone's business.

Yes, you seem to understand the problems with DEI, which is not providing the audience what they want. In the 90's nobody was interested who played who, as long as they did a good job. Today it's really hard to say who's a DEI hire and who's not, the only way to judge is whether The role qas good or not. If you had some African playing a role in the 80's, you knew that guy was good, today If you don''t have any Africans or women playing a lead role, the actors in all likeliness are chosen because they were the best available.

Cruise and Washington are bad examples, because they made their merits before the modern policies took place. They could draw in audience 20.years ago and they can do it today. Who'd be playing Maverick if Top Gun were made today? Would Maverick be the OP pilot? 

The thing is you really do not know if a gender swap is a DEI policy since most people just throw the word DEI anytime the Gender or race is different.  Just like the term woke, its a word used first with no evidence but instead as a label to use when insecurity over the swap effects the person using it.  Just like with the show I mentioned, people did complain about the black actress and they did use DEI as their term.  For people who did not care they never thought to use or even consider DEI.  Most who watch the show have no clue about the movie or the book so they never cared.

As to a person being gay.  If that person is gay playing a straight white male and that person sexual orientation is known, would there be people using woke, or DEI or any other term of displeasure.

Actually I consider DEI like I consider woke.  Just another tool in an arsenal of tools to use when anything goes outside of the status quo.  Whether it race, gender, sexuality, age.  People who are fearful of these things look for a reason to resist them being out in the public.  They rather have it like the old days when gay people kept their mouths shut, when black people played pimps and hoes and woman looked for nothing more than having children and getting married.

I use Cruise and Washington because I assure you if one played a role and the other was swapped for it later, you would get the same people crying about DEI, woke or whatever not because they are good actors but because they are from different races.  As stated, you only have to go to a number of forums to see this very example no matter the skill set of the person.

I think I addressed this already a few pages back: there's so much DEI policies in place that it's impossible to know if someone was hired for the role because of his or her otherness or was he or she just the best available pick for the role. This is why people cry woke when a game or a movie is bad and don't when it's good, because when it's good, it's a sign that the actor was the right pick for the role. This is why I used the new SW movies as examples that actually all do the same thing, but one is good and the others are not.

The DEI policies are put in place so that everyone can point out that they're not discriminating against minorities or women - so yes, you're right that people are fearful of the backlash for not having them if someone complains about discrimination. 

If you swap Cruise for Washington or the other way around, people complain if the movie is bad and don't complain if it's good. Some people will always complain no matter what, but the "go woke, go broke" didn't really come out of thin air, i.e. few pundits from internet forums. 



Ei Kiinasti.

Eikä Japanisti.

Vaan pannaan jalalla koreasti.

 

Nintendo games sell only on Nintendo system.

the-pi-guy said:
BFR said:

Give me a few names of politicians who are Authoritarian? Give me a few names of those who are Libertarian?

Why is this worse to you than left vs right? 

The same issue exists there. Most US politicians are (subjectively) right wing. 

Democrats tend to be more left wing than Republicans, and they tend to be more libertarian than Republicans. 

Source?

Because left-wing vs. right-wing has been a comparison that has existed for ages.  I have never heard of a comparison between Auth's vs. Libert's

It's funny that Ron Paul's name has come up. He was in the Libertarian party before he switched to being a Republican.

Also, Republicans have more in common with Libertarians than Democrats do. 

Lastly, yes, Democrats are more likely to be left-wing than Republicans.  But, they are also more likely to be  pro-socialist than Republicans, whereas Republicans are more likely to be Libertarian than Socialist.

EDIT: A better comparison would be Socialist vs. Libertarian.

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Woke is just a term that Racist, Bigots, and Xenophobes use to express dismay over character identities not their own while trying to avoid the Racist, Bigot, Xenophobe label.

I wanna ask a questions - Historically, Japanese games have always had Females as main characters; are they woke? Nope, because these same woke guys look past that because they love their waifus right?



BFR said:

Also, Republicans have more in common with Libertarians than Democrats do.  

Again, the US Libertarian party isn't the standard for "libertarianism".

You're overly fixated on a US perspective. The US political party that names itself Libertarian has little to do with Libertarianism on the chart.

"It is popular to label libertarianism as a “right-wing” doctrine. But this is mistaken. For one, on social—rather than economic—issues, libertarianism tends to be “left-wing” in advocating for radical social liberty in the form of freedom of association, of cultural and religious expression, and sexual liberation. On foreign policy it is also aligned more with the left in opposing border restrictions and war. Its historical entanglement with both radicalism and reaction, as well as its approach to rights being used to endorse distributive egalitarianism, means that it cannot be easily placed on a contemporary left-right partisan spectrum. In a sense, the left-right spectrum is itself reiterated within libertarianism, given its internal diversity."

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/libertarianism/

BFR said:

Source?

Because left-wing vs. right-wing has been a comparison that has existed for ages.  I have never heard of a comparison between Auth's vs. Libert's

The notion of adding another dimension to the political scale has existed for decades. It's older than either of us. 

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Xxain said:

Woke is just a term that Racist, Bigots, and Xenophobes use to express dismay over character identities not their own while trying to avoid the Racist, Bigot, Xenophobe label.

I wanna ask a questions - Historically, Japanese games have always had Females as main characters; are they woke? Nope, because these same woke guys look past that because they love their waifus right?

So, Sonic is a girl?



Stanford University. Yeah, ok.



Im not sure about this...

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