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disolitude said:
Viper1 said:
disolitude said:
 



I know about the 2 resident evil games...i own them both and both are great (RE4 great... Umbrella chronicles so so). But I'm sure you will agree with me when I say that neither took a lot of effort to put together. RE4 was probably done in a weekend and RE:UC took 3-4 months tops.

The problem with 3rd party manufacturers bringing big budget titles to wii is that they design a game to be optimized on ps360...and then they have to figure out how to downgrade the graphics and implement wii mote...

Thus far its been hit and miss with some higher budget Wii ports when it comes to sales (Medal of honour2, call of duty didn't sell nearly as well) and until Wii shows the devs it can match the PS360 games in sales alone, they probably won't bother porting the biggest games over (MGS, GTA...)

Developing a game from scratch fo the wii is a posibility and then porting it over to ps360...but they would have to put a lot of extra time in to making the ps360 game look on par with other titles graphically as those 2 systems dont have motion controller they can use as an excuse for impared visuals.


 I think I'm starting to see why you think the way you do. You're making the assumption that most big budget titles must be multi-platform, or else third parties won't bother making them. I'm assuming this belief comes from seeing the amount of titles that the 360 and PS3 share. And as long as third party developers do, in fact, think like this, the situation will only gradually improve.

The thing is that third party games do not have to be multi-platform to be successful. With the possible exception of Nights: Journey of Dreams, I can't think of any modest-budget Wii-exclusive games that went on to bomb. I can think of a few low budget third party games that have gone on to do quite well. If a developer is willing to get on the Wii bandwagon with a quality game now, before the market gets saturated with quality games, I think they'll do well for themselves. But if all they're doing is porting their titles from another platform, they'll be offering the same experience with dumbed-down graphics and tacked-on motion controls. I don't think I need to point out why most people would avoid that title.

If the rumors are to be believed, many third parties are going to be releaseing Wii-exclusive big budget games by the end of the year. If that happens, and sales prove to be underwhelming, I'll retract my statements here and concede that only certain niches do well on the Wii. But if the Resident Evil games did well on the system despite not taking "a lot of effort to put together", I think it shows that many Wii owners are hungering for some quality games in areas that Nintendo does not cater to. I suppose time will tell.

Oh, and @ HappySquirrel: Nice analogy. Mind if I steal it sometime? 



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nice thread!!

see?? 3rd party are selling ok on Wii......... time for Wii haters to think of something more stupid to blame the Wii for........



Wii console: 0595 8808 5698 2709
Super Smash Bros Brawl: 1161 1357 5188

Mario Kart Wii: 1633 4506 4319

PES 2008: 1633 5820 0347

DragonBall Z BT 3: 3823 9760 9484

Pokemon Battle Revolution: 3480 2645 9186
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ItsaMii said:
I sold my Wii because it is not cool anymore.

I sold my cool cause it's not Wii anymore.



I don't need your console war.
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor.
You're power hungry, spinnin' stories, and bein' graphics whores.
I don't need your console war.

NO NO, NO NO NO.

Also, stop trying to damage control the facts by marginalizing the Wii's victory in anything and everything sales related.

When someone tells you the Wii has the most 3rd party sales, you should NOT say, "Buts I dun like dem games."

You should say "congratz" and move on, cause your damage control is off topic.



I don't need your console war.
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor.
You're power hungry, spinnin' stories, and bein' graphics whores.
I don't need your console war.

NO NO, NO NO NO.

Desroko said:
You can't count M & S, because it has Mario. And Okami and GH3 were released for other systems - ports, lulz. And that leaves nothing but party games, and those aren't real games anyway. So you see, the Wii actually sold zero third-party units last week.

 These comments were funny until people actually started making those claims......



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disolitude said:
The Fury said:
I still don't consider Mario and Sonic 3rd Party, it has Mario in it even if it was published by Sega.

But this is besides the point, so the thread is about 'this week' in world charts. How about we takes a 3rd party game that was released on all systems and was released months ago and that have slowed in sales. Like say FIFA 08?

Sales for FIFA 08 for Wii - 544k
Ps2 - 2.54m
PSP - 830k
PS3 - 1.29m
360 - 1.13m

This aside, Wii software sales are great and this translates to many games on the Wii selling well, including many other 3rd Party games.

We all know soccer is europe's baby. And it is a spectacle...supposed played on a big screen in HD. Wii doesn't do that very well...or at all :)

We can check NFL Madden too and I'm sure wii sold the worst.

However if there is a Lawyer cooking his pony game...or something meant for group fun (like sega tennis) wii would sell more than ps360.


Well first you have to use the definitive Football/Soccer game for each console in such a comparison. For the Wii it would be PES2008, not FIFA. Then you have to take into acount that the Wii version came out after all other FIFA & PES Football/soccer games had been released, meaning N would lose a lot of sales to people who wanted to get a current year game and not wait for an untested, unreviewed Wii entry that would go on to get critical accaim.

So this argument doesn't quite work. It also doesn't work for Madden, but for different reasons. Wii Maddens have been PS2 ports with poorly executed waggle thrown in and a few extra minigames. A developer has to make yearly sports games like these play as well or better than the other consoles before it can be expected to sell as well or compete well. Even then, a game like these would need a year or so to let the word spread that it's good to play this game on the Wii. PES2008 will sell much more on Wii next year than this year. Madden still needs to get it right before it can sell. The 360 had the best play last year, and will probably have the best sales this year again. The Wii version played poorly, why would it sell this year?

And that doesn't mean it couldn't. EA created that problem by serving Wii owners a poor product. I'm not saying the HD issue doesn't hurt the Wii. It does. But poor gameplay is inexcusable on a consoles who's massive sales have come from the change to a next generation style of gameplay. And fun & gameplay is the most important part of a Wii game's success.

Same goes with titles like Nights & Soul Calibur Legends, these are games that control poorly. I WANTED nights to be as good as the Dreamcast version. I bought it, and I regret it. The gameplay is awful. And Soul Caliber Legends is inexcusable as a game period. On any console.

Developers that learn that the Wii's magic is the controls and make games to utilize them will win. Tacked on and poorly executed waggle and games that don't spend the time to make the controls right deserve to fail. When third parties put out quality they can sell some games on the Wii.



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noname2200 said:
disolitude said:
Viper1 said:
disolitude said:
 



I know about the 2 resident evil games...i own them both and both are great (RE4 great... Umbrella chronicles so so). But I'm sure you will agree with me when I say that neither took a lot of effort to put together. RE4 was probably done in a weekend and RE:UC took 3-4 months tops.

The problem with 3rd party manufacturers bringing big budget titles to wii is that they design a game to be optimized on ps360...and then they have to figure out how to downgrade the graphics and implement wii mote...

Thus far its been hit and miss with some higher budget Wii ports when it comes to sales (Medal of honour2, call of duty didn't sell nearly as well) and until Wii shows the devs it can match the PS360 games in sales alone, they probably won't bother porting the biggest games over (MGS, GTA...)

Developing a game from scratch fo the wii is a posibility and then porting it over to ps360...but they would have to put a lot of extra time in to making the ps360 game look on par with other titles graphically as those 2 systems dont have motion controller they can use as an excuse for impared visuals.


 I think I'm starting to see why you think the way you do. You're making the assumption that most big budget titles must be multi-platform, or else third parties won't bother making them. I'm assuming this belief comes from seeing the amount of titles that the 360 and PS3 share. And as long as third party developers do, in fact, think like this, the situation will only gradually improve.

The thing is that third party games do not have to be multi-platform to be successful. With the possible exception of Nights: Journey of Dreams, I can't think of any modest-budget Wii-exclusive games that went on to bomb. I can think of a few low budget third party games that have gone on to do quite well. If a developer is willing to get on the Wii bandwagon with a quality game now, before the market gets saturated with quality games, I think they'll do well for themselves. But if all they're doing is porting their titles from another platform, they'll be offering the same experience with dumbed-down graphics and tacked-on motion controls. I don't think I need to point out why most people would avoid that title.

If the rumors are to be believed, many third parties are going to be releaseing Wii-exclusive big budget games by the end of the year. If that happens, and sales prove to be underwhelming, I'll retract my statements here and concede that only certain niches do well on the Wii. But if the Resident Evil games did well on the system despite not taking "a lot of effort to put together", I think it shows that many Wii owners are hungering for some quality games in areas that Nintendo does not cater to. I suppose time will tell.

Oh, and @ HappySquirrel: Nice analogy. Mind if I steal it sometime? 

 

I agree with you completely. I preffer when a game is made for Wii exclusively as time and money is spent figuring out how to optimize the game rather than how to downgrade the resolution to 480p from 1080p.

However, when this happens...it doesn't solve the debate thats been going on for a while on VGchartz about wii not selling software as good as ps360 as these games are not available on those platforms. Plus everyone will catgorize the Wii exclusive 3rd party game as "niche" title in a sea of mini games.

I really want to see 3rd parties do well for Wii as I'm tired of seeing nintendo making a fortune. Everyone thinks "poor nintendo"...and that they don't have the resources to compete with the other 2 technically...nintendo is worth 2 times more than Sony' whole electronics division...so TV's, Bluray, PS3... everything. They could have made the wii more powerful and released a normal controller on top of the motion one easily and then the 3rd party companies wouldn't be in this mess to begin with.

 



HappySqurriel said:

Consoles are like Cities ...

The userbase represents the population of the city and the games represent the services available to the population. The Wii is like a boom city where the population far greater than its services are able to support; the city has an adequate number of walmart stores and movie theaters, but lacks the boutique shops, theater, art shows and other services that should be availabe in a city its size. There are people who see the opportunities and are trying to capatalize on them, and you will soon see these services available at a level which is adequate for a city its current size; by then the city will be larger and these services will still be inadequate and more people will see the opportunities...

In other words, although the Wii has a heavy ammount of non-games and party games this is only a temporary situation; other types of games will start to become a larger and larger part of the library over time.


This is exactly right (except for the spelling of amount!). Brilliant post. 



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disolitude said:
noname2200 said:
 

 

I agree with you completely. I preffer when a game is made for Wii exclusively as time and money is spent figuring out how to optimize the game rather than how to downgrade the resolution to 480p from 1080p.

However, when this happens...it doesn't solve the debate thats been going on for a while on VGchartz about wii not selling software as good as ps360 as these games are not available on those platforms. Plus everyone will catgorize the Wii exclusive 3rd party game as "niche" title in a sea of mini games.

I really want to see 3rd parties do well for Wii as I'm tired of seeing nintendo making a fortune. Everyone thinks "poor nintendo"...and that they don't have the resources to compete with the other 2 technically...nintendo is worth 2 times more than Sony' whole electronics division...so TV's, Bluray, PS3... everything. They could have made the wii more powerful and released a normal controller on top of the motion one easily and then the 3rd party companies wouldn't be in this mess to begin with.

 


 I'll admit I'm also resigned to the myth of third-party failure continuing. Oh well, I guess it just means I won't be giving them our money. As to Nintendo: yeah, they could have used their copious resources to completely blast the competition out of the water hardware-wise. But then they'd have to spend more money than they do now, and instead of having higher earnings than most third-world countries, they could only afford to buy Haiti three times over. We don't want that now, do we? 



@noname2200

Yes...hehe. Hurray for capitalism.

Funny thing is in 2001 Sega and Nintendo were worth around 12 billion dollars each.

Fastforward 7 years later and sega is worth about 4 billion while Nintendo is over 80 billion. Poor Nintendo indeed...

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=173781