Yes, islamic terrorists kidnap people to hug them and all the video evidence of unspeakable atrocities floating around the net was fake.

Still asking for proof to back up your statement "cut out childrens' eyes in front of their parents and rape women to death with metal rods"

Or are you generalizing disinformation.

The same exaggeration used atm to collectively starve and bomb an entire population.


Anyway this thread is about the terrorist attack in Lebanon, causing mass casualties and horrific injuries.

https://www.npr.org/2024/09/20/nx-s1-5119811/exploding-pagers-in-lebanon-struck-many-people-in-the-face-causing-severe-injuries

At least 37 people were killed in those attacks, including two children. Thousands were maimed, and doctors are still treating the wounded.

It's a real nightmare, because most of the injuries, most of the casualties - they lost either one of their eyes or both eyes sometimes. And the facial injuries are really massive because of the explosion of whatever devices they were holding in their hands. We couldn't save much of the eyes. And in some cases, we had even to remove both eyes of the patients because the damage was so great. I mean, you cannot even resuture the eye.

the first day, we left the operating room around 5 in the morning, and the second day, we left at around 2 in the morning. So it has been hectic for the past two or three days. And most of the casualties, they are young people. They are in their 20s. All of the casualties, we requested to do a CT scan for the brain and the orbits, because some of the patients, they had intracranial shrapnel. They had some injuries to the brain, so they had to be operated by neurosurgeons, and then we went in as an ophthalmology team just to treat their eyes. But the - unfortunately, I mean, there is not a single casualty who didn't lose at least one eye.


https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2024/09/18/lebanon-doctors-tell-of-horror-after-pager-blasts_6726505_4.html

Khadra told Agence France-Presse (AFP) that Hotel-Dieu, located in the Lebanese capital's Christian-majority Ashrafieh district, treated about 80 injured. Around 20 "were admitted to intensive care immediately and were put on ventilators to ensure they wouldn't suffocate due to the swelling in their faces," she said. "The rest are going one after the other to the operating room. Today, we have 55 surgeries," she added, wearing her white doctor's coat over her blue scrubs.

A doctor at another hospital in Beirut said he worked all night and that the injuries were "out of this world – never seen anything like it." "It's beyond what can be described," he said, requesting anonymity because he was not authorized by the hospital to speak to the media.

"We have a lot of injuries with amputated fingers" because people were holding the pagers in one or both hands, he said, while some people who had been sitting on the floor also had wounded feet. But the "most devastating" wounds were when the pagers blew up in people's faces, he said, citing up to 40 patients with eye injuries, most of them severe.

Around three-quarters of those patients "lost one eye completely, and the other eye is either somewhat salvageable or barely salvageable", he said, while "15 to 20%... lost both eyes in a way that's irreparable."


Hence you see why I have a problem with "cut out childrens' eyes in front of their parents ..... as seemingly an excuse why this terrorist attack is 'deserved' or expected or an "SNL skit"

Excellent Strawman  "You still believe Biden saw 40 beheaded babies? People playing football with cut off breasts? Babies in ovens? Children hanging from clothes lines? Systematic rape campaign?" not only not believe but have never even heard of on this board or others.

Can you please list the atrocities from October 7th that you believe happened? There are videos.  I'll wait. I know there has been bad action in the past the story of Israel and the "Palestinians " go back to the 12th century BC so there is much water and blood under their bridge.  I don't want a selective history lesson or "explanations" I want an answer to the question I asked.

Edit:  "Systematic rape campaign" actually is pretty believable and consistent with hostage accounts  err I mean the accounts of those guests that are no longer with their Hamas captors hosts.

Nice consistent sources good work.

Al Jazeera’s Investigative Unit (I-Unit) has carried out a forensic analysis of the events of that day – examining seven hours of footage from CCTV, dashcams, personal phones and headcams of dead Hamas fighters, and drawing up a comprehensive list of those killed.

In October 7, the I-Unit reveals widespread human rights abuses by Hamas fighters and others who followed them through the fence from Gaza into Israel.

But the investigation also found that many of the worst stories that came out in the days following the attack were false. This was especially true of atrocities that were used repeatedly by politicians in Israel and the West to justify the ferocity of the bombardment of the Gaza Strip, such as the mass killing of babies and allegations of widespread and systematic rape.

In particular the I-Unit reveals that claims by the Israel Defence Force that it found 8 burned babies at a house in Kibbutz Be’eri were entirely untrue. There were no babies in the house and the 12 civilians inside were killed by Israeli forces when they stormed the house. This was one of a number of incidents where the police and army appear to have killed Israeli citizens.

October 7 is a deep dive into the events that led to the deaths of tens of thousands of people, the significance of which will reverberate for decades.





We speak with Jeremy Scahill and Ryan Grim of The Intercept about their exposé of a major New York Times piece into alleged mass rapes committed by Hamas militants on October 7 that raises serious questions about the accuracy of the story. The Times article was headlined "'Screams Without Words': How Hamas Weaponized Sexual Violence on Oct. 7," and its release in late December helped the Israeli government to justify the ongoing war on Gaza and to paint pro-Palestine supporters abroad as not caring about sexual violence. One of the reporters of the Times piece, Israeli freelancer Anat Schwartz, is being investigated by the Times for her social media activity, which included dehumanizing language and endorsements of violence against Palestinians in Gaza. "The New York Times has grave, grave mischaracterizations, sins of omission, reliance on people who have no forensic or criminology credentials to be asserting that there was a systematic rape campaign put in place here," says Scahill, who criticizes the newspaper for not issuing any corrections for their flawed reporting. We also hear from Ryan Grim about how the flawed Times article touched off "extremely intense debate" inside the newsroom. "They're used to external criticism, but the amount of internal criticism they're getting has them on the backfoot," he says.

https://mondoweiss.net/2024/03/heres-what-pramila-pattens-un-report-on-oct-7-sexual-violence-actually-said/

The UN report on sexual violence on October 7 has found no evidence of systematic rape by Hamas or any other Palestinian group, despite widespread media reporting to the contrary. But there are deeper problems with the report’s credibility.


https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/icc-has-no-evidence-7-october-rapes-documents-indicate

In fact, both Khan’s announcement and a report by an advisory panel of international law experts convened by the chief prosecutor indicate that Khan found no evidence of such attacks on 7 October that he could base any charges on.

Read better, check the link

NPR's Leila Fadel speaks with Dr. Elias Warrak, an ophthalmologist who has treated blast victims in and around Beirut following a series of deadly explosions of handheld devices across Lebanon.

Seems likely an opthalmologist only sees cases where victims got hit in the face.

Second statement: Around three-quarters of those patients, referring to treated about 80 injured.

These are not overall statistics.

But you can't disregard that you're responding to someone who names Hezbollah though.  Just saying "how would you feel if Russia maimed & blinded your mom like Israel did here?" misses an important component when you don't map out why they chose this action.  When Russia's hypothetical reason is "funding Ukraine" then they look insane, but when you map on a closer comparison like mine then the moral calculus shifts.  Like, if Russian intelligence found out a crate of new Samsung Galaxy Notes were being delivered to my hypothetical group of quasi-NATO mercenary crews that're shelling Russian towns, the intention becomes clearer.  I'm still emotionally damaged from the attack, but the blame isn't only Russia now.  

-"Especially when Israel's response in force is to apply 1000+ times more damage than they sustained."

But why is this 1000+ more damage by comparison though?  Israel by default is going to sustain less damage in virtually any war b/c they're able to block most of the rockets coming in.  It's sort of like we've flipped expectations of how a sovereign country is expected to operate against its adversaries.  Like, as if because you're able to stop most of the indiscriminate bombing from hostile forces who carry genocidal intent you should... let it continue unless said hostiles are firing from an open field.  That also doesn't mean a no-holds-barred approach is morally correct either, but what actually is proper fighting here?

Proper fighting is adhering to international and humanitarian law after exhausting all diplomacy. Israel has continuously blocked a ceasefire deal, which Hamas has accepted as far back as May.

It's not only that Israel has a great defense system, Hezbollah and now Iran have also been careful to avoid civilian casualties, aiming for military installations. Putting pressure on Israel, letting Israel know that their defenses are not fool proof while trying to avoid collateral damage. The opposite of what Israel has been doing.

And if you look at the raw data, who is the aggressor here

In the latest escalation between Hezbollah and Israel, more than 569 people, including 50 children and 94 women, have been killed in Israeli air strikes across Lebanon since September 23.

In retaliation, Hezbollah launched rocket attacks into Israel, with some projectiles directed at Israeli airbases.

The exchange of attacks between Israel and Hezbollah has been going on for almost a year since October 8, when Hezbollah began launching attacks on Israel in solidarity with the Palestinian people trapped in the Gaza Strip as Israel waged war on the enclave.

Israel has attacked Hezbollah nearly four times that of the Lebanese group, tallying more than 8,300 attacks along the 120km (75-mile) border.

Hezbollah, which was formed in 1982 to fight Israel’s invasion and occupation of southern Lebanon, says it will stop attacking Israel if its assault on Gaza stops. Its leader Hassan Nasrallah says the group does not seek an expanded war but is prepared to match Israel’s aggression.

Also keep in mind Hezbollah is much more than a military resistance group. They are a political party in Lebanon as well. Civil workers were hit, paramedics were hit, children were hit and who ever else happened to be nearby when the devices exploded.

Yes it looks insane to booby trap thousands of devices not knowing in whose hands they will be or where at the time they explode. All the while having a much easier / much faster way available to return the 60,000 evacuees to their homes in Northern Israel. Stop the genocide, sign the ceasefire deal Hamas, Biden and the UNSC all have previously signed off on.

At the end of this war, Hamas will have to ask itself if it was really a good thing for them to do what they did the 7, given the number of deaths, the fact that it is on one leg and now that Hezbollah is biting the dust too. Israel really has no shame in what they are doing back, they are similar mentally. It is a matter of survival in the minds of both sides. They really dont care about human right.

Some people got it backwards...

Iran and Hezbollah fire cheap missiles and drones knowing full well that most of them would be intercepted, with the rest landing on military targets. Can we stop pretending that the Iron Dome isn't part of their equation?

Hezbollah's intent is to apply economic pressure to force Israel to stop their massacres and give Gazans what they want (within the internationally legal limits). Western media and governments misportray their actions as them being "ISIS-like" rabid beasts that are actively and openly trying to annihilate all Israeli and Jewish lives. and the thing that's preventing civilian casualties is the impenetrable Iron Dome lol. But Iran has just revealed hours ago that they can very easily bypass Israel's defense systems with their more advanced weaponry, which directly hit several military targets without causing casualties. Contrary to the western narrative, they were NOT targeting civilians unlike Israel whose society at large views Palestinians as subhumans, and their government has been crushing, humiliating and torturing them in a million different ways for several decades.