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I mean, Switch is way behind PS4 and even Xbox One in terms of power, yet it still got solid ports of stuff like Witcher 3, Doom 2016, Doom Eternal, Hogwarts Legacy, Kingdom Come Deliverance, Hellblade, Ace Combat 7, Bright Memory Infinite, Dying Light, World War Z, Sniper Elite 4, Dragon Quest 11, Wolfenstein II, Warframe, Mortal Kombat 11...

Unless Nintendo completely shits the bed and gives Switch 2 some horrible gimmick that nobody wants, it's likely to sell well enough that it gets a good number of PS5/Xbox Series ports. They will have cutbacks, much as PS4 ports to Switch do, but that won't matter to the target audience; Nintendo players have accepted lesser visuals as a trade-off for portability.



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COD 2025 will be on Switch 2 for sure, GTA VI port maybe a year or two after PS5 and Xbox.



Chrkeller said:

I think you worry too much about being the smartest in the room and lose sight of illustrations.  And you are right, I am sure it is more complex than I made out, most things are.

But my illustration is still fine.  Increasing fps requires jumps in memory bandwidth.  The Switch is likely stuck at 30 fps max, and will need sacrifices to hit 30 fps, that was the point.  

Sometimes I think you should ask yourself "what are they trying to illustrate" before replying to people.  

As a simple question, is the memory bandwidth of the switch 2 going to be a bottle neck for modern third-party games?  

It's not about being the "smartest". - Nor do I care for such irrelevant garbage or how people perceive me, that's small world stuff.

The point I am trying to convey is that there is more to a systems capabilities than just a single facet... Be it bits, flops or memory bandwidth.

Case in point...
* Switch.
21.3–25.6 GB/s of bandwidth.

* Playstation 3.
20.8-25.6 GB/s of bandwidth.

The Switch wipes the floor with the Playstation 3.

Or take the Radeon 5700XT with 17% higher memory bandwidth than the Radeon 6700XT, the 5700XT should win right? No, it gets obliterated, at every resolution. Things like Infinity Cache, Delta Colour Compression, variable rate shading, mesh shaders, and sampler feedback and more all add to RDNA2 receiving massive performance boosts even when everything else is kept equal.

A graphics chip is the sum of it's parts, not a singular aspect.

Will the Switch be a 30fps console? Probably. Xbox Series X and Playstation 5 have 30fps games. - Does it matter? Probably not.
Will it have 60fps games? Absolutely. It's developer discretion on what the framerates end up being rather than the hardware itself.

Remember the Super Nintendo had 60fps games... And that console only had a 3.58Mhz CPU and 128kb of Ram, developers make the decisions on what the game ultimately ends up being.



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Pemalite said:
Chrkeller said:

I think you worry too much about being the smartest in the room and lose sight of illustrations.  And you are right, I am sure it is more complex than I made out, most things are.

But my illustration is still fine.  Increasing fps requires jumps in memory bandwidth.  The Switch is likely stuck at 30 fps max, and will need sacrifices to hit 30 fps, that was the point.  

Sometimes I think you should ask yourself "what are they trying to illustrate" before replying to people.  

As a simple question, is the memory bandwidth of the switch 2 going to be a bottle neck for modern third-party games?  

It's not about being the "smartest". - Nor do I care for such irrelevant garbage or how people perceive me, that's small world stuff.

The point I am trying to convey is that there is more to a systems capabilities than just a single facet... Be it bits, flops or memory bandwidth.

Case in point...
* Switch.
21.3–25.6 GB/s of bandwidth.

* Playstation 3.
20.8-25.6 GB/s of bandwidth.

The Switch wipes the floor with the Playstation 3.

Or take the Radeon 5700XT with 17% higher memory bandwidth than the Radeon 6700XT, the 5700XT should win right? No, it gets obliterated, at every resolution. Things like Infinity Cache, Delta Colour Compression, variable rate shading, mesh shaders, and sampler feedback and more all add to RDNA2 receiving massive performance boosts even when everything else is kept equal.

A graphics chip is the sum of it's parts, not a singular aspect.

Will the Switch be a 30fps console? Probably. Xbox Series X and Playstation 5 have 30fps games. - Does it matter? Probably not.
Will it have 60fps games? Absolutely. It's developer discretion on what the framerates end up being rather than the hardware itself.

Remember the Super Nintendo had 60fps games... And that console only had a 3.58Mhz CPU and 128kb of Ram, developers make the decisions on what the game ultimately ends up being.

Obviously, computers are way more complex than most of us understand, no doubt.  But memory bandwidth is a bottleneck, and I suspect you know this.  

I can easily see 60 fps first party titles, but I strongly disagree if you think third party ps5 games (Dead Space Remake, Rebirth) are going to hit 60 fps on the Switch 2.  Indie games, sure.  But this thread doesn't seem focused on Indie but the major AAA third party titles, which will be capped at 30 fps.  

Either way I will tell you a quick story and you can make out of it what you will.  I will also stop this back-and-forth derailing, especially since Curl's post was spot on.  

When I was young, I leveraged my chemistry expertise and advance degree, ensuring everyone understood I knew the most in the room.  My career didn't go very well.  I was asked what I thought my brand was, which was SME.  I was told the people around me thought I was condescending prick and in no way was I viewed as a SME.  The older gentlemen who mentored me explained that messaging is key to driving engagement and connections.  So basically, his coaching taught me to level things down to bring people with me in upskilling while maintaining a mostly accurate tech message.  Since then, my career has exploded.  

Again, take that as you will.  



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According to leaks it has a fan on the dock and a 60% larger power supply than the Switch, so that bodes well for the docked mode. I'm hoping for a 2050 Mobile equivalent with DLSS3, which is probably enough for crossplatform in most cases with some upscaling and reduced detail.



 

 

 

 

 

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haxxiy said:

According to leaks it has a fan on the dock and a 60% larger power supply than the Switch, so that bodes well for the docked mode. I'm hoping for a 2050 Mobile equivalent with DLSS3, which is probably enough for crossplatform in most cases with some upscaling and reduced detail.

Docked? That's, depending on the clock, 5-6 TFLOPS - which would be really great, especially for those who don't care for portable aspect of Switch 2.



If developers are still producing for PS4/XBOne, I see no reason for Switch Successor to be excluded, especially with the wildfire success of NSW.



HoloDust said:

Docked? That's, depending on the clock, 5-6 TFLOPS - which would be really great, especially for those who don't care for portable aspect of Switch 2.

Mind that Ampere/Ada/RDNA3 have doubled FP32 instructions compared to previous generations, so it's more like 2.5-3 TF compared to the PS5/Xbox.

Still over ten times better than the OG Switch, though, and with the added benefit of DLSS.



 

 

 

 

 

Honestly I'm convinced that, seeing as the Switch was well within striking distance of the PS4 and Xbox1 for years before their successors launched, and is going to be, at worst, the third best selling system of all time, yet it didn't get a GTA5 port or any CODS or anything, that its not possible. Frankly every Playstation, Xbox, Steam Launcher, Epic Launcher, and third party launcher could all fatally and irrecovorabbly crash tomorrow and a year for now at least half of third parties would just close than try to put their games on a Nintendo system at this point.



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