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zeldaring said:
SvennoJ said:

First I played was space invaders, black and white, I think on an early Atari system.

Anyway that current year showcase shows there's still a lot of room for improvement. It will be great when game developers stop trying to emulate realism with (bad) lens effects. Ditch that crutch to hide the 'flaws'. PS3/360 everything had to be brown and monochrome for realism, now it's like looking through dirty cheap lenses. Hence stylistic games still win over 'realism'.

Graphics can keep evolving for many decades to come. Holographic displays will come at some point then holographic projectors :)

Many  people still think  say rdr 2 is the best looking game ever then last of us 2, and cyber punk so please stop trying to push this narrative that stylistic game wins for better graphics. Resident evil 5, Uncharted 3,  and gears 3 still look really nice today with 4k.

Yet the perception moves along. I would call RE5, Uncharted 3 and Gears 3 stylistic nowadays. Not realistic. It's mostly the characters that are stylistic, goes for RDR2 and The last of US 2 as well. RDR2 does have some very picturesque real looking views. So did Horizon Zero Dawn. It's mostly distant views though, up lose realism falls apart.

And Cyberpunk is not realistic at all ;)

They all look great, still do. (Apart from RE5, don't like the art style) But they are far from the end of the road for improving graphics.


Also movement still needs a lot of improvement. They still can't make it convincing in CGI in movies.



SvennoJ said:
zeldaring said:

Many  people still think  say rdr 2 is the best looking game ever then last of us 2, and cyber punk so please stop trying to push this narrative that stylistic game wins for better graphics. Resident evil 5, Uncharted 3,  and gears 3 still look really nice today with 4k.

Yet the perception moves along. I would call RE5, Uncharted 3 and Gears 3 stylistic nowadays. Not realistic. It's mostly the characters that are stylistic, goes for RDR2 and The last of US 2 as well. RDR2 does have some very picturesque real looking views. So did Horizon Zero Dawn. It's mostly distant views though, up lose realism falls apart.

And Cyberpunk is not realistic at all ;)

They all look great, still do. (Apart from RE5, don't like the art style) But they are far from the end of the road for improving graphics.


Also movement still needs a lot of improvement. They still can't make it convincing in CGI in movies.

Oh, fuck off! Cyberpunk 2077 not realistic?!  I have mantis blades in my arms! I keep all my porn on a micro SD stored in my neck! Don't you?! C'mon Choom!



Bite my shiny metal cockpit!

Leynos said:
SvennoJ said:

Yet the perception moves along. I would call RE5, Uncharted 3 and Gears 3 stylistic nowadays. Not realistic. It's mostly the characters that are stylistic, goes for RDR2 and The last of US 2 as well. RDR2 does have some very picturesque real looking views. So did Horizon Zero Dawn. It's mostly distant views though, up lose realism falls apart.

And Cyberpunk is not realistic at all ;)

They all look great, still do. (Apart from RE5, don't like the art style) But they are far from the end of the road for improving graphics.


Also movement still needs a lot of improvement. They still can't make it convincing in CGI in movies.

Oh, fuck off! Cyberpunk 2077 not realistic?!  I have mantis blades in my arms! I keep all my porn on a micro SD stored in my neck! Don't you?! C'mon Choom!

It's based on a realistic futuristic setting. It's going for the most realistic possible graphics it can do.



Yes CP2077 uses a lot of modern rendering and lighting which is a nice-looking game. The game itself is not aiming for realism. It is a stylized game, however. Unless your city has holograms jetting out of the top of skyscrapers several hundred feet. No. I am not going to debate this for 10 pages or talk about boring games like RDR.



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Basically then every game is stylized. Like last of us is realistic graphics but going for apocalyptic world that you would never see in the real world. Same for gears, heck same rdr 2 since you would never see the wild west these days anywhere. Point is these games are all aiming for realistic graphics.



These games are each 4 years apart:

TES: Arena (1994)



LOZ: Ocarina of Time (1998)




TES III: Morrowind



zeldaring said:
SvennoJ said:

First I played was space invaders, black and white, I think on an early Atari system.

Anyway that current year showcase shows there's still a lot of room for improvement. It will be great when game developers stop trying to emulate realism with (bad) lens effects. Ditch that crutch to hide the 'flaws'. PS3/360 everything had to be brown and monochrome for realism, now it's like looking through dirty cheap lenses. Hence stylistic games still win over 'realism'.

Graphics can keep evolving for many decades to come. Holographic displays will come at some point then holographic projectors :)

Many  people still think  say rdr 2 is the best looking game ever then last of us 2, and cyber punk so please stop trying to push this narrative that stylistic game wins for better graphics. Resident evil 5, Uncharted 3,  and gears 3 still look really nice today with 4k.

Red Dead Redemption 2 is...
1) A last generation game.
2) A DirectX 11 feature set title.
3) No Ray Tracing.
4) 6 years old.

It's been eclipsed by titles like:
1) Hogwarts Legacy.
2) Cyberpunk 2077.
3) Alan Wake 2.
4) Jedi Survivor.
5) Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora (THIS specifically is spectacular visually.)
6) Assassins Creed: Valhalla.
7) Death Stranding.
8) Returnal.
9) Spider-Man.
10) Ghost of Tsushima.
11) Ratchet and Clank.
12) Halo: Infinite.
13) Horizon: Forbidden West.
14) Dead Space.
15) God of War Ragnarok.

Cyberpunk is pushing better graphics than RDR2. That's just a fact, for all the issues that game had, graphics was not one of them... Or more specifically... Was so far ahead that hardware struggled to keep up. (Playstation 4/Pro and Xbox One/One X.)

I think I prove my point... And that's before I mentioned games like Kena, StarCitizen, Final Fantasy 7, The Last of Us and more... Or even more marginal titles like Battlefield which were early titles with Ray Tracing.

If you disagree and think a 6 year old game is better than all these... Then you are simply just... Well. Wrong... And the fact you are bringing the same old boring, never-ending argument into the 3rd or 4th thread and repeating the same things? Shows you haven't learned, grown or progressed in your reasoning.

LegitHyperbole said:

This is my personal cap, if games get more real looking than this, I'm going to have a problem with it. Infact, this might be a bit too real as is and is in need of more "art" for lack of a better term. But I can see myself accepting this, anymore photo real and I'll find it depressing and bland.

I think this is achievable in the next few years. 

I would argue it's achievable now... Hellblade has some seriously impressive modelling going on... And that wasn't designed with the PC as the lead platform either... Imagine a Geforce RTX 4090 with 24GB VRAM doing 30fps at 1440P and the crazy level of realism that would bring.

zeldaring said:

Basically then every game is stylized. Like last of us is realistic graphics but going for apocalyptic world that you would never see in the real world. Same for gears, heck same rdr 2 since you would never see the wild west these days anywhere. Point is these games are all aiming for realistic graphics.

No one actually cares if it's stylized or not. Stylized graphics can still be demanding and impressive graphics.

Borderlands is one such example of a AAA high-stylized title that pushed visuals.


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For me...
Superman: Atari 2600. - First video game I ever played. Had it as a kid.


N64:


Justice League PS4/5:



--::{PC Gaming Master Race}::--

Pemalite said:
zeldaring said:

Many  people still think  say rdr 2 is the best looking game ever then last of us 2, and cyber punk so please stop trying to push this narrative that stylistic game wins for better graphics. Resident evil 5, Uncharted 3,  and gears 3 still look really nice today with 4k.

Red Dead Redemption 2 is...
1) A last generation game.
2) A DirectX 11 feature set title.
3) No Ray Tracing.
4) 6 years old.

It's been eclipsed by titles like:
1) Hogwarts Legacy.
2) Cyberpunk 2077.
3) Alan Wake 2.
4) Jedi Survivor.
5) Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora (THIS specifically is spectacular visually.)
6) Assassins Creed: Valhalla.
7) Death Stranding.
8) Returnal.
9) Spider-Man.
10) Ghost of Tsushima.
11) Ratchet and Clank.
12) Halo: Infinite.
13) Horizon: Forbidden West.
14) Dead Space.
15) God of War Ragnarok.

Cyberpunk is pushing better graphics than RDR2. That's just a fact, for all the issues that game had, graphics was not one of them... Or more specifically... Was so far ahead that hardware struggled to keep up. (Playstation 4/Pro and Xbox One/One X.)

I think I prove my point... And that's before I mentioned games like Kena, StarCitizen, Final Fantasy 7, The Last of Us and more... Or even more marginal titles like Battlefield which were early titles with Ray Tracing.

If you disagree and think a 6 year old game is better than all these... Then you are simply just... Well. Wrong... And the fact you are bringing the same old boring, never-ending argument into the 3rd or 4th thread and repeating the same things? Shows you haven't learned, grown or progressed in your reasoning.

LegitHyperbole said:

This is my personal cap, if games get more real looking than this, I'm going to have a problem with it. Infact, this might be a bit too real as is and is in need of more "art" for lack of a better term. But I can see myself accepting this, anymore photo real and I'll find it depressing and bland.

I think this is achievable in the next few years. 

I would argue it's achievable now... Hellblade has some seriously impressive modelling going on... And that wasn't designed with the PC as the lead platform either... Imagine a Geforce RTX 4090 with 24GB VRAM doing 30fps at 1440P and the crazy level of realism that would bring.

zeldaring said:

Basically then every game is stylized. Like last of us is realistic graphics but going for apocalyptic world that you would never see in the real world. Same for gears, heck same rdr 2 since you would never see the wild west these days anywhere. Point is these games are all aiming for realistic graphics.

No one actually cares if it's stylized or not. Stylized graphics can still be demanding and impressive graphics.

Borderlands is one such example of a AAA high-stylized title that pushed visuals.


******************

For me...
Superman: Atari 2600. - First video game I ever played. Had it as a kid.


N64:


Justice League PS4/5:

HOLY SHIT! First time I ever saw someone other than me say Superman on Atari 2600 is the first game they ever played! I didn't own it or an Atari 2600. It was pre school late 80s the owners teenage Son had a NES and Atari hooked up in a room and some kids would be invited in to play.



Bite my shiny metal cockpit!

Sorry. But claiming no games do the old West anymore is funny.

Evil West

Weird West

West of Dead

Wild Guns Remake

Hard West

Desperados III

Hunt Showdown

Bloodroots

Released in the last few years. I know I know will move goalposts



Bite my shiny metal cockpit!