Two thoughts from me:
1. The Dems can get some revenge 2 years from now, in the mid-terms. Cue Pi-guy to start a "2026 US Mid-term Election" thread.
2. I see the early picks for the 2028 race to be between Gavin Newsom and JD Vance. Shout out to Chr, what do your sources say? It is early, I know.
One area the Dems/the left absolutely have to improve is appealing to men.
Over the last decade or so, left spaces and discourse have had an overwhelmingly negative attitude towards masculinity, constantly framing it "toxic", "problematic" and as inherently oppressive and misogynistic.
The problem is, this drives young men right into the arms of folks like Andrew Tate or Joe Rogan and from there to Trumpism, because if you feel like the left is constantly shitting on you, you'll naturally gravitate to the right.
Torillian said:
I'll extend an olive branch: I totally get it, something's gone wrong. But I can't help but be frustrated when people on the right in this very thread make shitty posts like the one a couple above. That's totally dismissive and derisive but for some reason it's only the left who has to watch their rhetoric. The right has figured out how to make the shitty rhetoric a feature rather than a bug and it is wholly frustrating. People of positions of power on the right made jokes about the attack on Paul Pelosi while the democratic party in its entirety gets blamed if someone random on facebook does the same for Trump's assassination attempts. Here's a simple example. see if any republican on TV ever calls it the democratic party, no instead they call it the democrat party as a little insult every time. Or mispronounces people's names or says "Barack Houssein Obama". Is there anything like that from the left that is from positions of power rather than just random left internet users? |
Oh I agree that the hostility on the left comes much more from culture warriors online rather than people in official positions. There's absolutely a double standard.
I just think that said culture warriors do unfortunately turn a lot of people against progressive causes, simply because being scolded tends to make people resentful.
Ryuu96 said:
Curl in the 1930s-1940s: "So much for the tolerant left! The left only have themselves to blame for this, their authoritarian attitude for the past decade provided the perfect conditions for the Nazis to flourish!" Spare me the lectures about Democrats rhetoric whilst you ignore everything that Trump and his supporters have said and done over the past few years and only ever bother to comment when it's to lecture Democrats, have I ever seen you comment on anything that Trump or his supporters have said or done? Because all I see is you coming in here to shout about Democrats not speaking kindly. Yes, Trump is a fascist and America just voted for a fascist and those who are aware of this fact, knowingly voted for a fascist, so what do that say about them? Some of them clearly do love his fascist agenda, some of them just don't care about voting a fascist in power if it benefits them (likely the majority), but I will say that some of them may not have known everything he has said and done or what others who worked closest to him have said about him, especially since some people didn't even know Joe Biden wasn't running anymore. Some of you seem so surprised to find out that humans can be incredibly selfish, easily influenced and yes, even fascist, Lol. She lost largely because of inflation, not because people were called a fascist, JFC. Lmao. It's a peak online take to suggest mean words is what caused this. Authoritarian Leftists...Smdh....Lol. |
Yeah gonna second this. There can be authoritarians with left wing economic beliefs but in the full sense an authoritarian leftists both socially and economically doesn't make sense.
| curl-6 said: I feel I should clarify; I'm not trying to just stir the pot here, so I do apologize if my posts came off that way. In retrospect, I should have been more measured. |
What you said brought my mind to this, since you are the author of the thread.
Someone calling me a Nazi (and I have been called that) is not going to make me reconsider if maybe Hitler was right after all. Or the alt-right, or Trump, or whatever degree of fascism is currently popular.
If a comment like that radicalizes someone, then they have a lot bigger problems than being namecalled.
| curl-6 said: I feel I should clarify; I'm not trying to just stir the pot here, so I do apologize if my posts came off that way. In retrospect, I should have been more measured. |
I think it's a mix of charisma and immigration. Like if you go back to the 2016 campaign, what really distinguished himself from the rest of the Republicans? Policy wise the only notable difference was on immigration specifically he talked about a wall while other Republicans took the traditional strong border policy stances. Yes he focused on blue caller white working class but all the other candidates wanted to bring manufacturing back to the US so policy wise he wasn't different here but he had way more charisma than any of the other candidates and unfortunately people actually trust the lying scumbag. Kinda like how Obama had a lot of charisma Trump is the GOP follow up to that. This charisma led to a lot of air time and his base trusted him so much that he's become immune to scandals.
| curl-6 said: I feel I should clarify; I'm not trying to just stir the pot here, so I do apologize if my posts came off that way. In retrospect, I should have been more measured. |
His voters hate the same things he does. Women, gays, blacks, LGBTQ+, immigrants, naturally they’re gonna vote for the guy who plans to make life hell for those people. He wasn’t wrong when he said he could openly shoot a guy on the street and people would still vote for him. You’d be surprised how many people openly and proudly get off on him being a sexist, racist criminal rapist insurrectionist wannabe dictator. Just the other day, I was reading about a guy wearing a “yeah, I’m voting for the felon” shirt in Minnesota.
Even sadder is how many people think he’ll be better for the economy/pricing. He won’t. You think prices are ridiculous now? His 40% tariffs on goods will only make it worse. Only when people get gutted of their healthcare and paying even more for goods than they are now will people realize their mistake in giving this increasingly unstable piece of shit a second term. By then, it’ll be too late.
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| curl-6 said: One area the Dems/the left absolutely have to improve is appealing to men. Over the last decade or so, left spaces and discourse have had an overwhelmingly negative attitude towards masculinity, constantly framing it "toxic", "problematic" and as inherently oppressive and misogynistic. The problem is, this drives young men right into the arms of folks like Andrew Tate or Joe Rogan and from there to Trumpism, because if you feel like the left is constantly shitting on you, you'll naturally gravitate to the right. |
Yangs actually not a grifter. Yes he started his own party but he didn't run a candidate for president and was pushing Kamala heavy on twitter. Rogan on the other hand changed his whole world view in 4 years.
People like Bernie do well with men.
What is going on here? How does the word "Troll" translate into "Nazi" ?
Hiku said:
What you said brought my mind to this, since you are the author of the thread.
Someone calling me a Nazi (and I have been called that) is not going to make me reconsider if maybe Hitler was right after all. Or the alt-right, or Trump, or whatever degree of fascism is currently popular. |
I mean if somebody is literally a Neonazi, sure, same as if someone is literally a troll.
In both cases, it's a matter of using the label accurately, instead of as a way of shutting down disagreement.
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