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EnricoPallazzo said:

Reminds me of what happened to Bolsonaro in Brazil. Gave him a huge surge in the polls and pretty much defined his winning. To be fair for Bolsonaro it was much worse as it didnt kill him by just an inch, and he also had to stay in hospital for a long time which allowed him to use the scenes of him on the hospital all the time. Yet, this assassination attempt of Trump will most likely cause the same impact.
Whoever did this wasnt very smart. You either finish the job or give your opponent an almost certain win.

It would be worse if he did die. Violence only leads to more violence. And someone else will take his place.

Pim Fortuyn was assassinated in the Netherlands right before the elections, a right wing populist.

https://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe/05/06/fortuyn.shooting/index.html

Opinion polls had shown that Fortuyn's De Lijst Fortuyn party, running on an anti-immigration platform, was on course to win about 15 percent of the vote in the parliamentary elections.

Posthumous he won 17% of the vote in the elections which created the shortest coalition in Dutch history (his party imploded without him, infighting), re-elections followed the year after. Yet the ripple effects continue on today. Other parties sprung up in his name, the Dutch political landscape is fragmented today. 

https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20231125-far-right-s-geert-wilders-seals-shock-win-in-dutch-election-after-years-on-political-fringe



Trump will get a boost from this. It will give an incentive to his supporters to make sure to vote and people that are on the fence see fragile Biden vs defiant Trump. It adds to his image of a strong leader and people rally behind a strong leadership figure in times of crisis. Which Trump will play up big with his MAGA platform.

I can hear his speech already "I survived the Chinese virus, I survived repeated impeachment attempts, I survived 'smear campaigns' to put me in jail and keep me out of the elections, I even survived a cowardly assassination attempt. I will never give up, I'm here fighting for you" etc etc.



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haxxiy said:
EricHiggin said:

Just find it odd that typically in the case of a shooting you'd see plenty of calls for gun bans all over the place and that's not happening, so can't help but wonder why not. Better to ask then to assume.

It's amusing because Trump signed a ban on stock bumps back in 2017 - which the SCOTUS conservative judges struck down a month ago.

If the shooter had a stock bump on his rifle he wouldn't have missed his target from that distance. Simple as. Perhaps he didn't realize he would have been able to buy it nowadays or hadn't enough money to buy it in time.

Assassinations are not amusing. Shooting innocent people isn't amusing.

We don't really know anything about the shooter, like his training or the weapon. If you've ever shot a gun before, it's like riding a bike. You don't just get on and start doing backflips. Even once you can ride a bike, doing tricks is another level. Even if you can do tricks, then there's performing under pressure in an event. 

Being a great shot but having the wrong gun makes it far more difficult to hit the target, or just because you have the right gun doesn't mean much if you're not well trained to shoot.



Looks like there was signs in the past he was mentally unstable but nothing was done about it, shrug only in America.



 

 

@the-pi-guy To be fair, most assassination attempts on US presidents occurred while they were in office. The Kennedy assassination probably did help Johnson win in '64 though. The Reagan attempted assassination boosted his approval rating.

Regarding the shooter, in addition to being a registered Republican, we also know that he donated $15 to ActBlue on Biden's Inauguration Day. Maybe he's a Republican against Trump or someone who registered as Republican to vote against Trump candidates in the primary? In PA in order to vote in a primary, you have to be registered with that party. He last voted in the November 2022 midterms.

@Cobretti2 That video posted by Raman is misinformation. Someone who looked like the shooter posted that on X as a joke. The user in question is an X user with the handle @jewgazing. First time I've seen that tiktok video from Carmela Marciano though.



EricHiggin said:

Assassinations are not amusing. Shooting innocent people isn't amusing.

We don't really know anything about the shooter, like his training or the weapon. If you've ever shot a gun before, it's like riding a bike. You don't just get on and start doing backflips. Even once you can ride a bike, doing tricks is another level. Even if you can do tricks, then there's performing under pressure in an event. 

Being a great shot but having the wrong gun makes it far more difficult to hit the target, or just because you have the right gun doesn't mean much if you're not well trained to shoot.

Yes, we do. It's an AR-15. A classic of American shootings and a very effective one at that, as we see time and time again.

Also, please don't try to play the moral ground here. Trump has incentivized violence time and time again. He's a felon rapist who attempted a coup, shrugged off mass shootings, and mocks his political opponents' disabilities. He's hardly what I'd call 'innocent people'.

Of course, I'm not like the Republican candidate for governor in North Carolina who said "some folks need killing." Assassinating political opponents is a hole one doesn't crawl back from. The due process of law, judging, and convicting is how people should deal with criminals like him in a civilized country.



 

 

 

 

 

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Thats just sad. 20 years old, mentally ill and have probably been told over and over that if Trump wins the world will end. Such a waste.



haxxiy said:
EricHiggin said:

Assassinations are not amusing. Shooting innocent people isn't amusing.

We don't really know anything about the shooter, like his training or the weapon. If you've ever shot a gun before, it's like riding a bike. You don't just get on and start doing backflips. Even once you can ride a bike, doing tricks is another level. Even if you can do tricks, then there's performing under pressure in an event. 

Being a great shot but having the wrong gun makes it far more difficult to hit the target, or just because you have the right gun doesn't mean much if you're not well trained to shoot.

Yes, we do. It's an AR-15. A classic of American shootings and a very effective one at that, as we see time and time again.

Also, please don't try to play the moral ground here. Trump has incentivized violence time and time again. He's a felon rapist who attempted a coup, shrugged off mass shootings, and mocks his political opponents' disabilities. He's hardly what I'd call 'innocent people'.

Of course, I'm not like the Republican candidate for governor in North Carolina who said "some folks need killing." Assassinating political opponents is a hole one doesn't crawl back from. The due process of law, judging, and convicting is how people should deal with criminals like him in a civilized country.

No moral high ground. Wrong is simply sometimes just wrong. Trump, Biden, etc, doesn't matter, this is not acceptable.

We know for certain that is the weapon? I read that somewhere but it said unconfirmed. Even if that is the weapon, you make it sound like it would have been a breeze to take out Trump, and yet it didn't. So how effective is it really if the conditions are poor or you aren't well trained? Just because you have an expensive top of the line bike, doesn't mean you're going to be able to do what you want with it without proper training and practice.

Are we going to start blaming what other people said for this or should unstable people go after different entities besides who actually said the thing they find unacceptable? Was it the NC Governor bleeding on stage in PA yesterday or was it DJT?



spynx said:

What evil thing has he done apart from his utterances?

It's not about what he did, it's what he represents.  What he stands for.  It's not one or two individual actions.  It's a whole tapestry of little things that add up.  They form like Voltron to create one huge monster.



Chrkeller said:

Calling this staged seems very heartless to me. There is no evidence to be jumping to such extremes.

Definitely not staged, yet It seem very suspicious how this guy got there. There is a pic of him exactly in position to shoot. Secret service would have snipers and the first place to look and be aware would be the top of buildings. How would they make such a huge mistake? How did the guy got there and one one from secret service saw that?

Yet, never underestimate how incompetent people can be.



the-pi-guy said:
EnricoPallazzo said:

Yet, this assassination attempt of Trump will most likely cause the same impact.
Whoever did this wasnt very smart. You either finish the job or give your opponent an almost certain win.

America doesn't have a history of assassination attempts particularly boosting candidates. This one might be different, because the media landscape is different. 

The little bit of information that we have is that the shooter was a registered Republican.

EricHiggin said:

Wondering what the "guns are bad" crowd is thinking about this since they seem so quiet.

This shooting is proof that guns are bad. 

Do you think this has changed their mind, for some reason? 

Guns are bad and I am definitely against it, never would buy one, but as happened with Bolsonaro you dont need much to kill someone if you want to . Or all the knife attacks in London, or the guy in London that killed a whole family using a bow. If crazy people want to kill someone, they will find a way to do it. 

Anyway, america will never change their gun culture.