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MadDogg said:
the-pi-guy said:

None of these things are "proof" is what I meant. 

The registration isn't proof of him being Republican, and the donation isn't proof of him being Democratic. I would argue that the registration is more meaningful as evidence because it is more recent. 

When I say frequently, I don't mean an individual changes their mind multiple times. I mean young people often change politics when they become adults. Not that they swap between the two on a weekly basis. 

EricHiggin said:

The evidence as to why is pretty wide open. That's why others have mentioned theories about why. Your take is one possibility however.

Another would be that rhetoric from politicians, media, and even the public, from one or both sides, led him to believe certain people needed to be targeted. If he was looking at Trump and Biden, the gunman would likely assume it would be extremely difficult to make a getaway, so if you're only going to get the chance at one target, you'd attempt to take out the biggest perceived threat first.

There's probably no way to know the absolute truth, short of finding a manifesto or something. But certain theories are going to be more likely to be true or less likely to be true based on what we know of the real world and what we know of the shooter. 

There's basically one 3 year old piece of evidence that suggests he's a liberal, and several more recent pieces that suggest he's a conservative, and even more recent information that heavily points to him not doing these things out of political motivation. 

Seems like there is more information that is much more recent than 3 years. Nothing confirmed yet though. 

https://nypost.com/2024/07/25/us-news/trump-gunman-thomas-crooks-used-gab-to-support-biden-ceo/

According to the CEO of the Far-Right Platform, Gab. Known for having neo-Nazis, white supremacists, antisemites, supporters of Trump and believers in conspiracy theories such as QAnon, a supposed Biden supporter created an account on Gab, to debate in good faith with all the far-right...On Gab...An utterly irrelevant social media platform? Seems like a stretch.

"The CEO stressed he has been “unable to confirm” was definitely Crooks’"

Maybe he could be on the website, but this would have to be taken with a massive grain of salt given the source has reason to lie and can't even confirm it was him. Also, all the listed posts were apparently made in January 2021 and February 2021, which would be around the ActBlue donation but still predates him registering as Republican later in the year.

I'm more inclined to the believe the CEO of Gab is seeking publicity but even if true, it doesn't confirm he didn't switch to Republican later in the year, especially if he's palling around on Gab of all places, if someone believes he was a Democrat because of the Act Blue donation but then switched to Republican because of him registering as Republican, this bit of news doesn't change anything to them because it still predates the registration.

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MadDogg said:

Seems like there is more information that is much more recent than 3 years. Nothing confirmed yet though. 

https://nypost.com/2024/07/25/us-news/trump-gunman-thomas-crooks-used-gab-to-support-biden-ceo/

1.) Not confirmed.

2.) All the posts in there appear to be over 3 years old.  



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This doesn't help his credibility in his second tweet, it screams "I'm a grifter" Lol.

Though again, it could be true, I'd take it with a massive grain of salt, even if it is true though, it doesn't change anything for me, I'm already under the assumption he WAS a Democrat but then switched to Republican and this new "evidence" still wouldn't counter that theory due to the dates. I honestly still believe he didn't do the assassination for any political reason though, I think he just wanted to go down in history

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Robert_Downey_Jr. said:
Jumpin said:

You're not making yourself sound any more sane by asking a nonsensical question like "Destiny Burner account?"

What's that even mean?

Between this guy and the guy who gets his instructions from his imaginary friend he calls "God" - no wonder the other Republicans in the thread are pretending to be undecided centrists :D

Destiny is a liberal streamer who says he doesn't feel bad the firefighter died at the rally because he was at a trump rally.

You can not know a reference without calling something nonsensical but I get you're waffling and backpedalling trying to distract from liberal rhetoric about saving democracy leading to someone attacking a political opponent like this.  Well at least all the Republicans that said Biden was senile have been proven right and every liberal that argued his competence the last 4 years have to admit they were lying.

I called your post nonsensical because it's nonsensical. And explaining that the existence of some angry Destiny streamer insulted a dead firefighter doesn't make "Destiny Burner account" any less nonsensical.

Also, Biden dropped out. So the other random point you think you're making is irrelevant.



I describe myself as a little dose of toxic masculinity.

Here are a few thoughts on the shooter, after doing some research.

1. According to FBI director Wray, he did an internet search on the distance between Oswald and JFK, which took place in 1963.

2. This guy may have been book smart (i.e. smart in school) but he was not street smart, and lucky for Trump he wasn't.  Why do I say this?  His gun, an AR-15, which belonged to his Dad, apparently had a red-dot sight.  The distance from the shooter to Trump was 400 ft, I have to say that since I own a red-dot sight, I would never think of using it against a target more than 200 ft away.  There is no magnification in a red-not, lucky for Trump, he did not have a scope with magnification.



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Torillian said:
Robert_Downey_Jr. said:

Destiny is a liberal streamer who says he doesn't feel bad the firefighter died at the rally because he was at a trump rally.

You can not know a reference without calling something nonsensical but I get you're waffling and backpedalling trying to distract from liberal rhetoric about saving democracy leading to someone attacking a political opponent like this.  Well at least all the Republicans that said Biden was senile have been proven right and every liberal that argued his competence the last 4 years have to admit they were lying.

What evidence do you have that liberal rhetoric is why a republican shot at Trump? 

Evidence that calling someone Nazi and threat to democracy would make people consider shooting him?  I can't provide evidence for thoughts I'm afraid.  Provide evidence it doesn't I guess.  



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Robert_Downey_Jr. said:
Torillian said:

What evidence do you have that liberal rhetoric is why a republican shot at Trump? 

Evidence that calling someone Nazi and threat to democracy would make people consider shooting him?  I can't provide evidence for thoughts I'm afraid.  Provide evidence it doesn't I guess.  

convenient...so you don't need any information about the shooter to come out because by definition the shooting happened and the rhetoric happened and that's all you need. 



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Robert_Downey_Jr. said:
Torillian said:

What evidence do you have that liberal rhetoric is why a republican shot at Trump? 

Evidence that calling someone Nazi and threat to democracy would make people consider shooting him?  I can't provide evidence for thoughts I'm afraid.  Provide evidence it doesn't I guess.  

You'e claiming 'liberal rhetoric' when this was not uncommon from his own party.
Even his own running mate called him "American Hitler".


But what need is there even for rhetoric from anyone else when Trump himself told his followers to march on the capitol and fight like hell? Which they did. And at one point the only thing remaining between elected officials and the mob was one door with glass windows, which they also broke down.



This was fueled by Trump falsly claiming that the lection was stolen, and that Mike Pence was able to send the votes back (he does not have the authority to do that). As could be seen by the "Hang Mike Pence" chants allong with the gallows they brought.

He did not want to give up his position. This was the biggest threat to US democracy in centuries.

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Torillian said:
Robert_Downey_Jr. said:

Evidence that calling someone Nazi and threat to democracy would make people consider shooting him?  I can't provide evidence for thoughts I'm afraid.  Provide evidence it doesn't I guess.  

convenient...so you don't need any information about the shooter to come out because by definition the shooting happened and the rhetoric happened and that's all you need. 

Look, Torillian, the reason why liberal rhetoric is so dangerous is because what it implies differs greatly from what the people on the far-right infer.

When liberals say that Trump is a fascist and a threat to democracy who must be stopped, then the implication of this is "come election time, vote against him." But the far-right is used to coded language from their own party, so when they hear that someone needs to be stopped, it's not about votes; it's about (the fantasy of) killing.

Also worth mentioning, the fact that the shooter missed confirms that he was a Republican.



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Robert_Downey_Jr. said:
Torillian said:

What evidence do you have that liberal rhetoric is why a republican shot at Trump? 

Evidence that calling someone Nazi and threat to democracy would make people consider shooting him?  I can't provide evidence for thoughts I'm afraid.  Provide evidence it doesn't I guess.  

>I can't provide evidence for thoughts

That's unfortunate. People have been writing down thoughts for thousands of years and talking for even longer than that. And in the 21st century, we can find evidence of thoughts by what people do online - what they search for, videos they make, posts they make. 

>Provide evidence it doesn't

The real issue is assuming that there's only one explanation for something. 

A fire starts someone. Do we assume that it happened because the person was being called a Nazi. Or maybe they just cooked something too long. Or left their cigarette somewhere. Or someone in their vicinity did.