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Evilms on 31 March 2024



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RolStoppable on 31 March 2024
xl-klaudkil said:

Lol the (former) boss of ps says 160mill sold

But people on vgc think they know better.

Okey

It's not just VGC. ZhugeEX dismissed Ryan's podcast comment all the same.



Legend11 correctly predicted that GTA IV will outsell Super Smash Bros. Brawl. I was wrong.

S.Peelman on 31 March 2024
Hiku said:
xl-klaudkil said:

Its a lie! Not true.

That probably isn't an authentic inscription. And it looks like it's on the peelable plastic, which can be done with a regular printer.

What makes this hard to believe though is that despite it specifying units sold down to a single digit, no one seems to have seen others like this, or traced the source.
And there certainly would be several more of them like this and not just one. If there's only one, it would be in a museum.

Probably Photoshop.



RolStoppable on 31 March 2024
S.Peelman said:
Hiku said:

That probably isn't an authentic inscription. And it looks like it's on the peelable plastic, which can be done with a regular printer.

What makes this hard to believe though is that despite it specifying units sold down to a single digit, no one seems to have seen others like this, or traced the source.
And there certainly would be several more of them like this and not just one. If there's only one, it would be in a museum.

Probably Photoshop.

And hopefully posted as a joke here, not as evidence.



Legend11 correctly predicted that GTA IV will outsell Super Smash Bros. Brawl. I was wrong.

160rmf on 31 March 2024
RolStoppable said:
S.Peelman said:

Probably Photoshop.

And hopefully posted as a joke here, not as evidence.

Wdym??? Isn't this in Louvre?



 

 

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Phenomajp13 on 31 March 2024
Evilms said:

160.636.885 units

https://www.reddit.com/r/playstation/comments/1brvf6d/the_last_playstation_2_ever_produced/

Thought PS2 was discontinued in January 2013?



Evilms on 31 March 2024
Phenomajp13 said:
Evilms said:

160.636.885 units

https://www.reddit.com/r/playstation/comments/1brvf6d/the_last_playstation_2_ever_produced/

Thought PS2 was discontinued in January 2013?

Yes, the ending production was at January 4, 2013 (worldwide).

But, as you can see from the quarterly reports, Sony included it with the PS3 throughout the 2012 financial year. It was only from 1 April 2013 that the PS2 was no longer included.



Tober on 31 March 2024
Evilms said:

160.636.885 units

https://www.reddit.com/r/playstation/comments/1brvf6d/the_last_playstation_2_ever_produced/

Cool if it's real, but looks a little photo chopped to me. The clarity of the writing compared to the how the other letters on the console have turned vague over time. In general the console looks liked it aged badly, except for the extra writing. That's a bit weird.

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trunkswd on 31 March 2024
-Adonis- said:
trunkswd said:

As far as accusing me being an Xbox fanboy. Sure, Halo is my favorite franchise. But I enjoy games from the big 3 - Xbox, PlayStation, and Nintendo. I'm just playing Xbox and PlayStation games on PC now, and use my Switch to play Nintendo games. Alan Wake 2 and God of War (2018) are 2 of my favorite games I've played over the last couple of years, and I am looking forward to playing God of War Ragnarök once it releases on PC.

When it comes to my work I try my best to leave any sort of biases out. Especially when it comes to doing the estimates. I take the data we collect, which is then extrapolated to get worldwide estimates. When more data becomes available - ie. quarterly reports from Sony and Nintendo that reveal shipment figures - we always adjust our estimates to be as accurate as possible.

My bad, you sound sincere, sorry for saying this about you.

Tober said:
trunkswd said:

As previously reported here is the math given official reports from Sony:

Sony reported PS2 shipped 155.1M as of March 2012 https://www.neogaf.com/threads/sony-q2-fy13-ps3-2-0-m.707013/

Sony reported PS3 shipped 63.9M as of March 2012 https://www.neogaf.com/threads/sony-q2-fy13-ps3-2-0-m.707013/

Sony combined PS2 and PS3 together as Computer Entertainment System and PSP + PSV as Portable Entertainment System for FY 2012 (April 2012 to March 2013) http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/data/bizdata_hardware_e.html" class="link">https://web.archive.org/web/20130921081219/http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/data/bizdata_hardware_e.html

PS2+PS3 shipped 16.5M for the 2012 FY http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/data/bizdata_ces_sale_e.html" class="link">https://web.archive.org/web/20131014055001/http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/data/bizdata_ces_sale_e.html

Sony announced PS3 surpassed 80M on November 2 2013 https://www.ign.com/articles/2013/11/06/ps3-sells-over-80-million-units-with-4332-games-released

Sony reported PS3 shipped 1.1M + 2.0M in Q2 + Q3 2013 https://www.neogaf.com/threads/sony-q2-fy13-ps3-2-0-m.707013/

Tally up 1.1M + 2.0M + 63.9M = 67M

PS3 cannot have passed 80M before November 2, 2013, meaning PS3's maximum shipment LTD as of September 2013 must be less than 80M.

79.9M - 67M = 12.9M as the absolute most PS3 could have shipped in FY 2012

16.5M - 12.9M = 3.6M left over for PS2

3.6M + 155.1M = 158.7M minimum.

We have it at 158.7 million because that is the minimum it could be at given what we know. It is likely Jim Ryan is rounding to 160 million. He could be rounding up or rounding down. We don't know one way or the other.

If Sony releases an official statement or we get something like the image Shawn Layden posted of the PSP with the exact number of units produced I will update our PS2 figures to match. 

As far as accusing me being an Xbox fanboy. Sure, Halo is my favorite franchise. But I enjoy games from the big 3 - Xbox, PlayStation, and Nintendo. I'm just playing Xbox and PlayStation games on PC now, and use my Switch to play Nintendo games. Alan Wake 2 and God of War (2018) are 2 of my favorite games I've played over the last couple of years, and I am looking forward to playing God of War Ragnarök once it releases on PC.

When it comes to my work I try my best to leave any sort of biases out. Especially when it comes to doing the estimates. I take the data we collect, which is then extrapolated to get worldwide estimates. When more data becomes available - ie. quarterly reports from Sony and Nintendo that reveal shipment figures - we always adjust our estimates to be as accurate as possible.

No reason to defend yourself Trunks, we know you do a stellar job! You have never given any reasons to question your integrity here.

Phenomajp13 said:
trunkswd said:

As previously reported here is the math given official reports from Sony:

Sony reported PS2 shipped 155.1M as of March 2012 https://www.neogaf.com/threads/sony-q2-fy13-ps3-2-0-m.707013/

Sony reported PS3 shipped 63.9M as of March 2012 https://www.neogaf.com/threads/sony-q2-fy13-ps3-2-0-m.707013/

Sony combined PS2 and PS3 together as Computer Entertainment System and PSP + PSV as Portable Entertainment System for FY 2012 (April 2012 to March 2013) http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/data/bizdata_hardware_e.html" class="link">https://web.archive.org/web/20130921081219/http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/data/bizdata_hardware_e.html

PS2+PS3 shipped 16.5M for the 2012 FY http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/data/bizdata_ces_sale_e.html" class="link">https://web.archive.org/web/20131014055001/http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/data/bizdata_ces_sale_e.html

Sony announced PS3 surpassed 80M on November 2 2013 https://www.ign.com/articles/2013/11/06/ps3-sells-over-80-million-units-with-4332-games-released

Sony reported PS3 shipped 1.1M + 2.0M in Q2 + Q3 2013 https://www.neogaf.com/threads/sony-q2-fy13-ps3-2-0-m.707013/

Tally up 1.1M + 2.0M + 63.9M = 67M

PS3 cannot have passed 80M before November 2, 2013, meaning PS3's maximum shipment LTD as of September 2013 must be less than 80M.

79.9M - 67M = 12.9M as the absolute most PS3 could have shipped in FY 2012

16.5M - 12.9M = 3.6M left over for PS2

3.6M + 155.1M = 158.7M minimum.

We have it at 158.7 million because that is the minimum it could be at given what we know. It is likely Jim Ryan is rounding to 160 million. He could be rounding up or rounding down. We don't know one way or the other.

If Sony releases an official statement or we get something like the image Shawn Layden posted of the PSP with the exact number of units produced I will update our PS2 figures to match. 

As far as accusing me being an Xbox fanboy. Sure, Halo is my favorite franchise. But I enjoy games from the big 3 - Xbox, PlayStation, and Nintendo. I'm just playing Xbox and PlayStation games on PC now, and use my Switch to play Nintendo games. Alan Wake 2 and God of War (2018) are 2 of my favorite games I've played over the last couple of years, and I am looking forward to playing God of War Ragnarök once it releases on PC.

When it comes to my work I try my best to leave any sort of biases out. Especially when it comes to doing the estimates. I take the data we collect, which is then extrapolated to get worldwide estimates. When more data becomes available - ie. quarterly reports from Sony and Nintendo that reveal shipment figures - we always adjust our estimates to be as accurate as possible.

You and the team do a fantastic job, this is incredibly difficult to estimate the sell through/sold to consumers figures. You make a mistake and adjust accordingly. That is quite reasonable and very understandable. No need to let a 23 year old PS warrior get under your skin. Dude is mad that you dare question a company that reports "official" figures in casual podcast instead of the financial reports where lying would be a crime. Yes that's the company that should be beyond approach 😆. 

I o appreciate all the responses! Sorry for the delay. It is the weekend and I haven't been on my PC much.

I do see the Reddit post with the PS2 sales number. Sadly, there is no link to where the person got it and it looks a bit fake. Now if it was someone who works or worked at PlayStation who posted it that would be one thing. Shawn Layden posting his PSP with the exact number of units produced was great to see. 



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I post and adjust the VGChartz hardware estimates, with help from Machina.

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trunkswd on 31 March 2024
XtremeBG said:
trunkswd said:

We have it at 158.7 million because that is the minimum it could be at given what we know. It is likely Jim Ryan is rounding to 160 million. He could be rounding up or rounding down. We don't know one way or the other.

If Sony releases an official statement or we get something like the image Shawn Layden posted of the PSP with the exact number of units produced I will update our PS2 figures to match. 

Hey, @trunkswd Just from curiosity, what was the reason and how did you get to the former number used on the site for years, for the PS2 - 157.68M

That figure was done before I took over doing the hardware estimates and until Bandorr created a new tool for me, I had no way of adjusting figures for any platform from before the 7th generation as those are separated from any platform we've done weekly estimates for. So any platform from before the 7th generation we can only fill in the lifetime sales, while any platform from the 7th generation and newer I can adjust each week of sales down to more specific countries/regions.

As for where the 157.68M figure came from? I honestly I have no idea.

I should add Machina, our editor-in-chief, does help me with the estimates. Especially with double checking my work to make sure all the math adds up or when making adjustments when new data comes in.

Since the new tool was created, if you look here https://www.vgchartz.com/charts/platform_totals/Hardware.php/ , you will see a lot of platforms have been added with any bit of available sales figures. Machina is the one who did the research to find those sales numbers. If anyone does find hardware or software sales we are missing you are welcome to let us know as we are just two people keeping things updated. I focus on the hardware, while Machina focuses on adding official software sales/shipment figures to the GameDB. 

We have been discussing about potentially adding player totals to the individual GameDB pages as certain companies only give us player totals and no longer provide any sales numbers. Yes, mainly Microsoft/Xbox.

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VGChartz Sales Analyst and Writer - William D'Angelo - I stream on Twitch and have my own YouTube channel discussing gaming sales and news. Follow me on Bluesky.

I post and adjust the VGChartz hardware estimates, with help from Machina.

Writer of the Sales Comparison | Monthly Hardware Breakdown | Monthly Sales Analysis | Marketshare Features, as well as daily news on the Video Game Industry.