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Darc Requiem said:

I don't care for either of them, but Trump just showed how much of a chump Biden is. He got Netanyahu to agree to ceasefire deal and he hasn't even taken office yet officially. It shows how easy it would been for a President with a spine to put a stop to this wanton slaughter.

That or the more hideous thought, it wasn't that Biden didn't have a spine but rather Biden didn't give a shit and/or actively wanted it as much as Netanyahu. Netanyahu caving so quickly and easily has made Joe Biden's administration look completely irredeemable and disgusting, Joe Biden will be remembered as a willing participant in a genocide attempt.

Netanyahu needs to be brought to justice but unfortunately I doubt he will, I also have doubts this peace will last long and believe Netanyahu will go back to quietly systematically removing Palestinians but the hot phase of the war being over is great news and the terms of the deal seem great too and I'm happy for all Palestinians and hope their peace lasts.

The Democrat Party needs an overhaul, these centrist, neo-lib, walking corpse bellends need to fuck off to the retirement home and make room for actual left wing politicians, I'm fucking done and angry at myself that I compromised on some values and held my tongue because I despised the Republicans (and still do). Fuck these twats though. Bernie was and always will be right, but that dude is far too old now, the Democrat Party needs more AOC's and young Bernie's and less status quo corpses who love a genocide like Biden and Pelosi.

Between Assad getting the boot and some stability in Syria and this peace deal though, I'm thrilled for the people of Syria and Gaza, I hope Israel doesn't find an excuse to fuck it up like always. Netanyahu is a genocidal maniac. He needs to be dragged to the ICC in chains and tossed into jail for the rest of his life but America would never allow that. Pretty sure America would sooner go to war with Europe than see Netanyahu face justice.

He has destroyed massive parts of Gaza, made a huge area completely unliveable, killed tens of thousands, it's clear he thinks Palestinians are just vermin to be eradicated, unless he is booted out of office he may return to quench his bloodlust again later, for now I bet he just turns his attention on Iran because everyone hates Iran anyway so he can get away with that. The dude won't face justice, I only hope he kicks the bucket soon.

Him and Putin are basically modern day Hitler's on a smaller scale.

Last edited by Ryuu96 - on 15 January 2025

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This whole ceasefire deal is utterly stupid and does nothing in the long run. So both netenyahu and the hamas leader have been responsible for the deaths of thousands of lives, and they end up back to where they started. The lives lost in october forgotten, netanyu resumes government like nothing happened, hamas still hamas, and the cycle of war contininues every couple of years exactly as it has been playing out.



It remains to be seen whether Trump will actually go on to put a permanent stop to the war, but he already got further than Biden ever did. Threats work against people like Netanyahu. Biden was one of the worst presidents ever.



Trump deserves zero credit for this. The deal is 99.99 % the one the Biden administration suggested in May. But obviously Trump got insider information on it being on the way, and wanting to take credit for it, came with the bombastic claims of all hell breaking loose on gaza if they didn’t agree before he takes office. In reality everybody knows, Trump would have preferred the agreement to be made post January 20.



Vinther1991 said:

Trump deserves zero credit for this. The deal is 99.99 % the one the Biden administration suggested in May. But obviously Trump got insider information on it being on the way, and wanting to take credit for it, came with the bombastic claims of all hell breaking loose on gaza if they didn’t agree before he takes office. In reality everybody knows, Trump would have preferred the agreement to be made post January 20.

And that deal is 99% the one Hamas laid out in December 2023... and it has been on the way since May, endorsed by the UNSC (the one ceasefire resolution the Biden administration didn't veto)

Trump did see his chance to take credit for it, but he also played a part in shattering Netanyahu's idea that Trump would give him full reign in Gaza. That was Netanyahu's plan, hold out until Trump then get full support to do whatever with Gaza. Trump's ego is even bigger than Netanyahu's and wants it on his terms. Trump has already 'stacked the deck' in favor of Israel, this move has little to do with ending a genocide.

Trump is all about image, and the images coming from Gaza are not good. Trump just wants the live streamed genocide to end and go back to the world forgetting again about the continuing occupation, annexation, and ethnic cleansing of the West Bank while keeping Gaza in a stranglehold.

Nah this went perfect for Trump, he can beat himself on the chest that his strong arm tactics brought peace even before he officially took office. Painful to say, but I don't think Harris winning the elections would have gotten us to a ceasefire.

I'm happy for the people in Gaza to get a break but this is far from over. Hatred has only grown exponentially on both sides, the Westbank is on the brink of full out war. Israel is still bombing in Lebanon and also occupying part of Syria.

Anyway next is to see what happens when the full scale of death and destruction in Gaza comes out. Is the West going to ignore reports of mass graves, torture, and the complete destruction of civilian infrastructure? The cleanup is expected to take at least 15 years "The recent conflict in the Gaza Strip has produced a volume of debris that is 14 times greater than the combined total from all conflicts over the past 16 years, a UN analysis of satellite imagery from this past July found." And that's an estimate from 6 months ago...

Obviously we can't go back to Oct 6 since Gaza of Oct 6 doesn't exist anymore. The humanitarian crisis will continue for years and the bulk of the deaths are still to come / become known. The fallout of this war will also be unlike any other.



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Main events from Januari 15th

  • Mediators Qatar, Egypt and the US have announced that Hamas and Israel have reached a multi-phased deal to halt the war in Gaza and secure the release of Israeli captives in the territory.
  • Mediators said the deal, which will go into effect on Sunday, starts with a 42-day period that will see the release of 33 Israeli captives as well as a number of Palestinian prisoners held in Israeli jails.
  • Hamas said the deal meets all the conditions it set out early in the war, including the full withdrawal of Israeli forces from Gaza, the return of displaced people to their homes, and a permanent end to the war.
  • Many displaced Palestinians in Gaza have told Al Jazeera about the relief and joy they felt over just being able to return to their homes, even if they are destroyed.
  • Palestinian Civil Defence has warned Israel’s assault is intensifying in parts of Gaza ahead of the ceasefire, with one attack on a residential block in Gaza City killing 12 and injuring 20 more.
  • Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu thanked US President-elect Trump for securing the deal and putting an “end to the suffering of dozens of hostages and their families”, his office said.
  • Far-right members of Netanyahu’s government have criticised the deal, including Finance Minister Smotrich, who labelled it “bad and dangerous” for Israel’s “national security”.



‘Ceasefire is the start – not the end’: WFP

The World Food Programme calls for resources, access and protection to allow its teams to scale up aid to Gaza.

“We welcome the long awaited ceasefire in Gaza. But a ceasefire is the start – not the end,” WFP chief Cindy McCain said in a statement.

“We have food lined up at the borders to Gaza – and need to be able to bring it in at scale. For this: We need all border crossings open and [to] be able to move food safely from the crossing points to the people in need across Gaza.

“We need security for team members and our partners, including during aid convoys. Humanitarians MUST be protected. We need more humanitarian staff allowed into Gaza. And we need urgent funding to reach everyone in need quickly.”




Agreement could lead to increased Rafah crossing access: Former Egyptian official

Speaking to Al Jazeera from Cairo, Hussein Haridy, Egypt’s former assistant foreign minister, said the agreement should lead to some access through the Rafah crossing between southern Gaza and Egypt.

“Fortunately, the agreement announced today in Doha stipulates that the Israelis would start withdrawing gradually from the Philadelphi Corridor, and the Palestinians would be managing the Palestinian side of the Rafah crossing,” Haridy said.

“That would enable us to open the Rafah crossing, to surge aid and humanitarian assistance to Gaza.” Haridy also said he understands the agreement would mean injured Palestinians could pass through the crossing to get medical assistance.

“Ultimately, when the Israeli forces would withdraw completely from the Gaza Strip, and there is a Palestinian authority running Gaza, I think that the Rafah crossing would be operated normally, as it had been before June 2007,” he said.

Haridy added that Egypt, which was one of the mediators for ceasefire negotiations between Hamas and Israel, “has really exerted all its efforts to bring the Israeli aggression to an end as quickly as possible”.


A line of trucks waiting on an Egyptian road along the border with Israel, near the Rafah border crossing with the Gaza Strip, on May 2, 2024



Joy, relief in Gaza and Israel after truce deal


Deir el-Balah, central Gaza


Tel Aviv, Israel


Celebrations, fear in Gaza after Israel-Hamas reach a ceasefire deal

The past few hours have been completely different from what we used to see in the past.

There’s been a complete shift in al-Aqsa Hospital, where I am at, with people bursting into celebrations the moment they heard the news about a ceasefire agreement between Hamas and Israel. That news was followed by the announcement from the Qatari prime minister that the deal will not take effect until Sunday.

For a couple of hours, people turned this whole area into a stage of celebration, something we are not used to seeing here as this area used to be a stage for funerals for the victims of the war and a space filled with agony and sadness.

People came together here and in the streets and in tent sites across the Gaza Strip, including al-Mawasi, a site that has been bombed relentlessly for the past 15 months, all in celebration of an end to this nightmare.

The past days have been quite intense here. People have been approaching us at this broadcasting point, asking us about a ceasefire and an end to the war. And finally, it has happened.

But we know it’s not going to be enforced until Sunday and this period will be critical. We are expecting a surge in attacks by drones and heavy artillery, and that’s what caused people to end the celebrations after two hours. They have now returned to their tents as they know that the nighttime is less safe and more risky to walk and drive in the streets.


Bombing of Gaza ‘continues without pause’ despite ceasefire deal

Just hours ago there was an atmosphere of joy and relief among residents here when the ceasefire announcement was made from Doha, stating that it would take effect in the coming days.

However, immediately after the announcement, Israeli warplanes extinguished that joy for the people – striking hospitals, shelters and homes with direct air strikes. Even as we speak, the bombing continues without pause.

Earlier, we observed moments of joy and happiness among these residents who have endured this war for a year and a half – 467 days of pain and suffering. This war has affected everyone in Gaza. Particularly residents in the northern area who have faced displacement, hunger, bombings and massacres.

These people were eagerly awaiting this moment of peace despite losing their homes, children, families and everything they had. They are clinging to life and seeking safety.


UN aid chief welcomes ceasefire, warns of difficulty getting aid to survivors in Gaza

Tom Fletcher, the UN’s undersecretary-general for humanitarian affairs, said the ceasefire deal between Hamas and Israel brought “much-needed hope to millions of people” in Gaza, but it will be a challenge getting aid to survivors of the conflict.

Fletcher also urged the UN Security Council to use its “collective voice” to ensure the ceasefire is upheld and international law is respected in terms of protecting civilians and allowing aid staff to work safely.

“This is a moment of hope and opportunity, but we should be under no illusions how tough it will still be to get support to survivors. The stakes could not be higher,” he said in a statement.



UK, France, Germany hail truce deal

British Prime Minister Keir Starmer called news of the Israel-Hamas truce deal “long overdue”.

He said in a statement that the captives can now finally return to their families and said the ceasefire must allow “for a huge surge in humanitarian aid” to the Palestinians in Gaza.

French President Emmanuel Macron said the deal offered “immense relief” for Palestinians in Gaza and “hope” for Israeli captives and their families. “The agreement must be respected. The hostages freed. The Gazans rescued. A political solution must come,” he added on X.

Germany’s Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock also welcomed the deal.

“In these hours, there is hope that the hostages will finally be released and the deaths in Gaza will come to an end,” she said. “Everyone who bears responsibility should now ensure that this opportunity is seized.”


Countries in the Middle East react to Israel-Hamas deal

  • Egypt‘s President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi called for “the entry of urgent humanitarian aid” into Gaza and said the deal followed “strenuous efforts” by his country, Qatar and the US
  • Turkiye‘s President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said he hoped the agreement “will be beneficial for our region and for all humanity, particularly for our Palestinian brothers, and that it will open the way to lasting peace and stability”.
  • Jordan‘s Foreign Minister Ayman Safadi called on world powers to ensure the “sufficient and durable” delivery of aid to Gaza.
  • Iraq‘s Foreign Ministry hailed the deal and stressed the “need to immediately allow humanitarian aid” into Gaza and “intensify international efforts to rebuild” areas damaged during 15 months of war.
  • Saudi Arabia‘s Foreign Ministry stressed the need to adhere to the deal and called for the “complete withdrawal of the Israeli occupation forces from the [Gaza] Strip and all other Palestinian and Arab territories and the return of the displaced to their areas”.
  • UAE‘s Foreign Minister Abdullah Bin Zayed called for the unhindered delivery of aid and stressed “the importance that both Israel and Hamas adhere to the commitments made to end the suffering of the Palestinian prisoners and Israeli hostages”.
  • The Gulf Cooperation Council said it hopes the truce in Gaza will contribute to the restoring of security, the delivery of aid and the return of displaced Palestinians to their homes.


US reaction to the Gaza ceasefire deal

  • Chuck Schumer, the Senate Democratic leader, called a ceasefire “very good news for Israel, for America, for the Palestinian people, and particularly for the hostage families who have waited so long in agony”. It couldn’t have happened without “steadfast diplomacy and until the potency of Hamas was radically reduced”, he said.
  • John Barrasso, the top Republican in the Senate, said the deal is showing the world that Trump is “coming into power in the United States, and we’re seeing changes around the world to reflect a new strength in America”.
  • Hakeem Jeffries, the House Democratic leader, called the agreement “long-overdue” and said it will secure the release of Israeli captives, provide for Israel’s security and ensure humanitarian aid is surged to Palestinian civilians.
  • Samantha Power, administrator for the US Agency for International Development (USAID), said the deal will “begin to provide relief to the Palestinian civilians who have suffered immensely over the course of this brutal conflict”. She said the current moment is one of “enormous possibility” and the US is committed to “surging life-saving assistance to those in need throughout Gaza”.
  • Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib, who is Palestinian-American, did not issue a statement, but retweeted updates about Israel’s continuing attacks on Gaza even after the deal’s announcement.
  • Congresswoman Ilhan Omar said she was relieved that Israelis and Palestinians will be released as part of the deal, but “an urgent need remains: We must permanently end the genocide against the Palestinian people in Gaza”.


‘Comic’ behaviour of Biden, Trump both claiming Gaza ceasefire achievement: Analyst

Rami Khouri, a distinguished fellow at the American University of Beirut, said that it was almost comical to see Biden and Trump outbid each other to claim responsibility for the Gaza ceasefire deal, while their actual behaviours were “100 percent supporting the Israeli genocide”.

“Even in their announcements today they don’t really talk about the Palestinians as real people,” Khouri said, noting at the same time that US media was almost exclusively focused on the release of Israeli captives from Gaza as a result of the ceasefire.

“So we see in both the presidential behaviour and the acts of the Congress, and the performance of the mass media in the United States, a reaffirmation that this is not really about justice and equality for Israelis and Palestinians,” Khouri said.

“It’s about an assertion of American might and the fact the United States feels it can dictate what will happen in the region,” he said.

Khouri also noted that Israel’s military had killed dozens on Wednesday despite the ceasefire announcement and they will “keep killing people until Sunday”.

“This is their legacy,” he said. “They did the same thing in Lebanon before every ceasefire,” he added.

Still bombing and blowing up houses after the ceasefire in Lebanon...



Ceasefire deal said to include allowing 600 truckloads of aid into Gaza each day

We understand that the ceasefire agreement between Israel and Hamas stipulates that about 600 humanitarian aid trucks will be allowed into the Strip on a daily basis. But Israel has a very prolonged history of violations regarding commitment to ceasefire agreements.

The Gaza Strip is in desperate need of massive humanitarian necessities, including … all sorts of food supplies and medical needs for Gaza’s fragile health sector. Families believe that if Israel allows for the proper and unconditional flow of humanitarian supplies to the Strip, it will help civilians to gradually start recovering.

Gaza’s Government Media Office said that the Gaza Strip is in need of at least 1,000 humanitarian trucks on a daily basis just to help the Palestinian economy recover and provide some sort of relief for families, who have been going through high rates of food insecurity over the course of the past year.

The Gaza Strip needs more food, more humanitarian items, and … all sorts of medical equipment following the destruction of Gaza’s hospitals in the north and in Gaza City, too.


Gaza aid surge will be challenging, ex-UN official says

While this presents a huge opportunity to expand much-needed deliveries into the war-battered enclave, there are still serious challenges that could impede humanitarian relief, says Martin Griffiths, a former senior UN humanitarian coordinator.

Speaking to Al Jazeera, Griffiths said it would be difficult to quickly mobilise enough aid trucks into Gaza and expressed concern that looting and attacks on convoys could worsen.

Israel’s plan to ban UNRWA, the largest aid group operating in Gaza, would seriously jeopardise the aid delivery process, he added. “There has to be a negotiated suspension or removal of those plans to contain UNRWA,” Griffiths said. “Otherwise, we’ll all be in huge trouble… It’s just inconceivable.”


Charities call for ‘unimpeded’ humanitarian aid into Gaza and a long-term solution

We have some more reaction from charities who have welcomed the announcement of a ceasefire deal:

  • Reporters Without Borders has called for “open borders for journalists and an end to impunity for Israel’s war crimes”.
  • OXFAM has urged a “permanent end to hostilities, accountability, an end to atrocities and lifting of blockade”.
  • Action Against Hunger has called for increased humanitarian aid, as there are only 600 trucks per day scheduled to deliver necessities – “far from enough to feed a population on the brink of famine”.
  • The Australian Council for International Development has urged “unimpeded, sustained humanitarian aid to those in need”, adding that the ceasefire “must be followed by concrete actions to ensure a long-term solution”.


Human Rights Watch calls for ‘end to systematic repression’

Omar Shakir, the Israel and Palestine director at Human Rights Watch, has welcomed the news of a ceasefire deal and also called for Israel “to lift its blockade, allow in humanitarian aid at scale necessary to meet urgent needs, and ensure basic services like electricity and water are restored”.

“Otherwise, people will continue to die, ceasefire or not,” he said in a statement. He added that the “heinous crimes” committed should not go unpunished.

“Those responsible should be held to account, including at the International Criminal Court, and states need to address root causes, including Israel’s apartheid against the Palestinians,” Shakir said.

“To avoid further mass atrocities, there must be an end to systematic repression and respect for the rights of all people in Israel and Palestine,” he added.



Netanyahu says ‘final details’ of truce deal still being worked out

The office of the Israeli prime minister has issued a statement on the ceasefire agreement.

It says:

“An official statement by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu will be issued only after the completion of the final details of the agreement, which are being worked on at present.”


Israeli opposition leaders promise to back ceasefire deal

Yair Lapid and Benny Gantz, in separate posts on X, welcomed the ceasefire deal and promised to back Netanyahu’s government as far-right members opposed to the agreement threaten to collapse the ruling coalition.

Lapid said that the deal “must not end in its first phase”. “I promised before and do again, we will supply the security net for the government until the last hostage is home,” he added.

Gantz, who quit Israel’s war cabinet amid differences with Netanyahu last June, said his party “will politically support this move if necessary”. “We must use the first phase of the deal to reach a settlement that brings back all the kidnapped and apply pressure to replace the Hamas regime,” he added.

As we’ve been reporting, Israel’s security cabinet is due to vote on the agreement on Thursday and President Isaac Herzog has called on members to back the deal. The far-right Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich called the deal “bad and dangerous” and said he would only remain in the ruling coalition if there “is the absolute certainty of returning to the war”.


‘Total victory of Israel’ came not in Gaza, but in Washington: Ex-Israeli official

“Most of the Israeli public is very glad” for the ceasefire agreement reached by Israel and Hamas, according to Alon Liel, the former director general of Israel’s Foreign Ministry.

“It was long-awaited. In some of the circles around the families [of captives], the mood is almost euphoric,” he told Al Jazeera from Tel Aviv. “The political map looks a little different. The right wing is against the end of the war but is in fact paralysed and has no ability to topple the government,” Liel said.

“If we widen the picture a little bit, the total victory of Israel happened not in Gaza, it happened in Washington. Trump is seen as a total victory and Israel has so much to benefit from Trump regarding its international status and other issues,” he said.

Liel suggested that Israel likely negotiated a stop to the US opposition to illegal Israeli settlements on the Palestinian territories in exchange for the ceasefire in Gaza.