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LurkerJ said:

Just let Israel investigate itself and get back to us at one point, some time, in the future, maybe, we'll get an answer. In the meantime, please don't point out all the evidence that suggests this was intentional, third party investigations do not count.

I also find the attention the media is giving to these aid workers to be disproportionate, when there has been indisputable evidence that the murdering of Hind Rajab, her cousin, the ambulance that went out to save her was intentional, among countless other documented genocidal stories.

Foreign aid workers are tragically killed like most of the deaths of Gazans and we're meant to care more, as if we don't like like a joke on the world as things are.

Give me a break the racism card has been used for a lot less over the past 10 years. Don't get me wrong, there should be a swift and firm response from the UK government for the 3 British people who died, but this has been the case for 6 months.

But hey, the most documented genocide of our time keeps on living, growing, exposing every hypocrite sick fuck out there. Can you imagine if journalists were actually allowed to do their job in Gaza?

I am not surprised that these killed foreign aid workers are getting more media attention. Just a shame that no Germans or French were among the dead, because then it would have been an even bigger deal in western democracies. Not every innocent life is of equal value, that's abundantly clear. Just like it's abundantly clear that something like this had to happen for any chance of the West to reconsider its deplorable stance of ongoing support for Israel.

Tenthousands of dead Palastineans don't change a thing, but fewer than ten dead people of other nationalities have the potential to change something. That's the sad state of the world we live in.



Legend11 correctly predicted that GTA IV will outsell Super Smash Bros. Brawl. I was wrong.

Anything that will help end this war is appreciated, yet indeed, this war is revealing tons and tons of hypocrisy from the West.


Scottish First Minister demands UK Prime Minister end the sale of weapons to Israel

Scotland’s First Minister Humza Yousaf has written to British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak seeking an “immediate end” to arms sales by the UK to Israel.

Following Israel’s killing of seven aid workers – three of them British – with the World Central Kitchen charity in Gaza, Yousaf said he was writing once again to “demand” that the UK end the sale of arms to Israel.

“The civilian death toll is intolerable, as is the killing of humanitarian workers who deliver vital aid to Palestinians facing starvation and violence at the hands of this Israeli government,” First Minister Yousaf said in his letter to Sunak.

“By not stopping arms sales to Israel, the UK is in danger of being complicit in the killing of innocent civilians,” he said.




Can we not finally move on from, "in danger of being complicit" and "might constitute a war crime" to is complicit and is a war crime. Humanitarian law is not that complicated. Yet the West keeps using 'soft' language, while having no trouble condemning those they don't like and labeling them as terrorists.


I guess 'apparent' will have to do

HRW probe finds Israeli strike that killed 106 civilians was ‘apparent war crime’

Human Rights Watch (HRW) has released a detailed investigation into an Israeli air strike that killed 106 Palestinians in a six-storey apartment building on October 31, 2023, describing the attack as an “apparent war crime”.

Witnesses said 350 or more people were staying in the Engineers’ Building, just south of the Nuseirat refugee camp, when four aerial munitions struck the building within about 10 seconds, without warning, at about 2:30 pm local time. The building was completely demolished.

“This strike inflicted massive civilian casualties without an apparent military target – one of scores of attacks causing overwhelming carnage,” said Gerry Simpson, associate crisis and conflict director at HRW.

The 106 Palestinians, including 54 children, killed in the attack were playing football, charging their phones in the downstairs grocery store, or simply seeking shelter after fleeing their own homes, said Simpson.


UNRWA employee Karam al-Sharif holds one of his 18-month-old twin boys killed in the October 31 Israeli air strike on the Engineers’ Building that HRW says killed at least 106 civilians, including 10 of al-Sharif’s relatives


Gaza detainees routinely losing limbs because of handcuffs: Israeli doctor

An Israeli doctor at a field hospital within a detention centre holding hundreds of Palestinians warned conditions there are catastrophic and in gross violation of Israeli law, reports Israel’s Haaretz newspaper.

In a letter to senior Israeli officials, the doctor noted detainees at the Sde Teiman detention centre, near the southern Israeli city of Be’er Sheva, are shackled by all four limbs 24 hours a day, causing severe injuries to their hands and legs that often require amputation.

In addition, detainees are regularly blindfolded, fed only through a straw, denied toilet access, and undergo major surgeries without proper medical care, the unnamed doctor said in the letter cited by Haaretz.


“The facilities’ operations do not comply with a single section among those dealing with health in the Incarceration of Unlawful Combatants Law,” it said.

“This makes all of us – the medical teams and you, those in charge of us in the health and defence ministries, complicit in the violation of Israeli law. And perhaps worse for me as a doctor, in the violation of my basic commitment to patients, wherever they are, as I swore when I graduated 20 years ago.”


Detained Palestinians sit on a street in Beit Lahiya, northern Gaza Strip

Israel releases at least 100 Palestinian prisoners, many with injuries

Israeli authorities have released 101 Palestinian prisoners who are from the Gaza Strip back into the besieged and bombarded territory, according to Gaza’s General Administration of Crossings and Borders.

Many of those released were taken to medical facilities in Rafah, where they are being treated for fractures or other injuries they suffered from being beaten while in custody, according to a medical source cited by Al Jazeera Arabic.



UN expert flags possible illegality of attacks after report on AI use in Gaza war

Ben Saul, UN special rapporteur on human rights and counterterrorism, said if details in a report on AI-assisted targeting in Gaza prove to be true, “many Israeli strikes in Gaza would constitute the war crimes of launching disproportionate attacks”.

Saul was responding to a report in +972 Magazine and Hebrew-language media outlet Local Call, which revealed that the Israeli army has identified tens of thousands of Gaza Palestinians as potential targets using an AI-assisted targeting system called “Lavender”.


Israel’s AI tactics, resulting in high civilian casualties, being exported

The report by two Israeli publications, 972+ Magazine and Hebrew outlet Local Call, on Israel’s use of artificial intelligence in Gaza raises questions about other nations wanting the technology, says an author on the subject.

Antony Loewenstein – an Australian journalist and author of The Palestine Laboratory: How Israel Exports the Technology of Occupation Around the World – says Israel is planning to export the AI tech and its countries are eager to acquire it.

“Israel is currently trying to sell these tools to foreign entities, to governments, that are looking to what Israel’s doing in Gaza, not with disgust, but actually with admiration – and we’ll find out in the coming months and years who they may be,” said Loewenstein.

“My sense is it’s gonna be countries that are currently saying they’re opposed to what Israel is doing.”


Five to 10 ‘acceptable civilian deaths’ for every fighter targeted by Israelis using AI

Two Israeli media organisations are reporting the Israeli military has been using an AI-powered database called Lavender to isolate and identify bombing targets for air strikes in Gaza.

That database is responsible for drawing up kill lists of as many as 37,000 targets.

The unnamed Israeli intelligence officials who have been talking to these publications say Lavender had an error rate of about 10 percent. But that didn’t stop the Israelis from using it to fast-track the identification of often low-level Hamas operatives in Gaza and bombing them.

According to the publications, this has led to many of the thousands and thousands of civilian deaths inside Gaza. The humans that were interacting with the AI database were often just a rubber stamp. They would scrutinise this kill list for perhaps 20 seconds before deciding whether or not to give the go-ahead for an air strike.

Also, the fact there were five to 10 acceptable civilian deaths for every one Palestinian fighter that was the intended target – you can see why there are so many civilian deaths in Gaza.


'Low-level Hamas operatives' include the civilian police force protecting aid convoys. Hence the shelling of aid convoys. Any government employee is a target.



Sunak calls for investigation as British aid workers killed in Israeli air strike named

There was shock and anger on the streets of the British capital following the latest waves of attacks in Gaza by Israeli forces, including the killing of seven aid workers.

Medical workers in the UK – protesting in solidarity with Palestinians in Gaza – blockaded the London headquarters of Palantir, a software company that supplies technology to Israel’s military.




Sugar daddy wants a scapegoat

US Defence chief tells Israeli counterpart that killers of aid workers must be held ‘to account’

US Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin has said he “expressed his outrage” to Israel’s Defence Minister Yoav Gallant over the killing of seven humanitarian aid workers – including a US citizen – in Gaza by Israeli forces.

Austin said he “stressed the need” to protect aid workers and Palestinian civilians in Gaza, and that he “urged” Gallant to ensure a speedy and transparent investigation into the killings, which have been described as likely “intentional” by a UN expert.

Israel must share the conclusion of its investigation publicly and “hold those responsible to account”, Austin said in a series of posts on social media.

Austin’s last post reiterated that the US – Israel’s staunchest supporter in the war on Gaza and main supplier of weapons – continues to support “Israel’s defence against a range of regional threats”.



US pressed on accountability for Americans killed by Israeli forces

Journalists asked US State Department spokesperson Matthew Miller to explain if previous Israeli investigations into the killings of Americans have led to accountability, in light of the killing of a US aid worker along with six of his World Central Kitchen colleagues.

Speaking to the killing of Palestinian American Al Jazeera journalist Shireen Abu Akleh in May 2022, Miller said, “[Israel] did cooperate with our investigation that the US security coordinator conducted that concluded that gunfire from [Israeli army] positions was likely responsible for her tragic death.”

However Miller did not specify what, if any, accountability measures followed that investigation.

“We will make judgements on a case-by-case basis on whether that investigation was conducted fully and appropriately and led to appropriate outcomes and results,” he said.


Stalling tactics, hoping for the next atrocity to take the spot light. Likely betting on Iran striking back for the Damascus attack to divert attention.

Israel says report on aid-convoy attack will take weeks

The findings will be released to the public “in the coming weeks, as they become clear”, government spokesperson Raquela Karamson has said.


They're already directing the Israeli public attention away

‘No need to buy generators, gather food, withdraw money,’ army tells Israelis

An Israeli army spokesperson says there has been no change in guidelines for home front preparedness amid reports of a high military alert after Iran pledged revenge for Monday’s deadly attack on its consulate building in Damascus.

“There is no need to buy generators, gather food and withdraw money from ATMs,” Daniel Hagari wrote on X.

“As we have done until today, we will immediately update any change, should there be one, in an official and orderly manner.”



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‘Not good enough’: Australia’s PM slams Israel’s explanation for aid workers’ deaths

Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanese has slammed Israel’s explanation for the killing of seven aid workers in Gaza as “not good enough”, as outrage over the attack continues to reverberate globally.

“We need to have accountability for how it has occurred, and what is not good enough is the statements that have been made, including that this is just a product of war,” Albanese said during a news conference in Sydney.

Australian woman Zomi Frankcom was one of seven employees of World Central Kitchen (WCK) who were killed on Monday when their convoy was hit in an Israeli air strike in central Gaza.

WCK CEO Jose Andres said in an interview that the Israeli military had targeted his employees “systematically, car by car”.

‘Australia is enabling genocide’: Protesters gather outside Australian Department of Foreign Affairs


A demonstrator holds a sign saying ‘Albanese blood on your hands’ at a protest outside the Australian Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade (DFAT) building in Sydney on Thursday

The protest was organised in response to the recent killings of aid workers and the destruction of Al-Shifa Hospital. The protesters also called for an end to arms sales to Israel.






Trudeau says Israel’s killing of Canadian aid worker ‘unacceptable’

Canada’s Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said the killing of Canadian aid worker Jacob Flickinger by Israeli forces in Gaza was “absolutely unacceptable”.

Trudeau said the Canadian – one of seven staff members of the World Central Kitchen aid group who were killed in an air strike – died “while delivering food to civilians in need”.

“At a time when humanitarian aid is so urgently needed in Gaza, Israel has an obligation to ensure the safety of aid workers,” Trudeau said in a post on social media. “The world – and [Flickinger’s] loved ones – deserves an explanation as to how this happened,” he added.



Your support for Israel's genocidal war has been unacceptable for a long time.



World Central Kitchen calls for independent investigation into aid worker killings

World Central Kitchen (WCK) has released a statement calling for an “independent, third-party investigation” into attacks that killed seven of its staff.

“This was a military attack that involved multiple strikes and targeted three WCK vehicles,” the statement said.

“An independent investigation is the only way to determine the truth of what happened, ensure transparency and accountability for those responsible, and prevent future attacks on humanitarian aid workers,” the statement added.

Poland PM says Israel should pay damages for killing of aid worker

Donald Tusk also said that Israel should apologise for the killing of Damian Sobol in Gaza and provide full information about what happened. “We will expect … an immediate explanation of the circumstances and compensation for the victims’ relatives,” the prime minister told a news conference.

Sobol, 35, was one of seven World Central Kitchen staff members killed by Israeli strikes late on Monday, in an attack that was condemned worldwide.


Poland condemns ‘outrageous’ remarks by Israeli envoy over aid worker’s killing

Polish President Andrzej Duda has denounced “outrageous” comments by the Israeli ambassador to Warsaw over the death of a Polish aid worker in an Israeli strike in Gaza. Israeli ambassador Yacov Livne gave an interview on Wednesday in which he stopped short of apologising for the killing despite being repeatedly asked to do so.

Duda called his remarks “not very fortunate, in short, outrageous”, adding “the ambassador is the biggest problem for the state of Israel in its relations with Poland”. Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk added: “If the ambassador decides to make public appearances in our media, he should use this opportunity to offer a simple, human apology.”

Livne was summoned for talks on Friday at the Polish Foreign Ministry to discuss Israel’s “responsibility” for the aid worker’s death.




Also note, no one is asking for a ceasefire anymore, despite being ordered by the UNSC. All aid organizations have repeatedly stated a ceasefire is the only way to bring the necessary aid in. This latest attack proves it, yet all Western countries are asking for is find the scapegoat, avoiding the word ceasefire.



Famine stalks north Gaza as aid deliveries now in question

Aid deliveries to the starving people of Gaza have largely been halted after the deadly Israeli attack on foreign charity workers.

The threat to Gaza’s aid lifeline comes as all of its 2.3 million people are already struggling to get enough to eat with famine projected to soon hit the north. In Gaza City, Palestinians sleeping near an aid delivery spot hoped to secure a bag of flour.

“We wait all night for this flour. We sleep on the streets, in the cold, on the sand, enduring hardship to secure food for our families, especially our young children,” one man told AFP news agency.

“I don’t know what else to do or how our lives have come to this.”


A crowd of starving Palestinians wait to receive food in Jabalia refugee camp

People in northern Gaza forced to survive on 245 calories a day: Oxfam

The amount of food available to people in the north of the besieged strip is less than 12 percent of the recommended daily 2,100 calorie intake needed per person, Oxfam has said in a statement.

The international organisation said it made the calculation using demographic data.

It also found that food deliveries allowed into Gaza since the war began in October amounted to an average of just 41 percent of the daily calories needed per person.

“The Israeli government has known for nearly two decades exactly how many daily calories are needed to prevent malnutrition in Gaza, calculating this according to both age and gender within its Food Consumption in the Gaza Strip – Red Line document,” Oxfam said. “Not only did it use a higher calculation of 2,279 calories per person, it also took into account domestic food production in Gaza, which the Israeli military has now virtually obliterated.”

Amitabh Behar, Oxfam International executive director, said, “Israel is making deliberate choices to starve civilians. Imagine what it is like, not only to be trying to survive on 245 calories day in, day out, but also having to watch your children or elderly relatives do the same. All whilst displaced … and under the constant threat of drones and bombs.”


Just how bad is the situation in Gaza?

  • The health ministry says 33,037 people have been confirmed killed in the Israeli air-and-ground assault with 75,668 injured as of April 4. Thousands more dead remain unrecovered in the rubble. Children make up about 40 percent of those killed.
  • The UN says about 1.7 million people, or 75 percent of the population, have been displaced since October 7. More than one million displaced are in Rafah on Gaza’s southernmost fringe close to the boundary with Egypt.
  • Children are dying of starvation in northern Gaza, World Health Organization chief Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus says, citing a WHO team that visited two hospitals.
  • Famine is imminent and likely to occur by May in northern Gaza and could spread across the enclave by July, the Integrated Food-Security Phase Classification says.
  •  More than 60 percent of housing units have been destroyed, along with 392 education facilities, 123 ambulances and 184 mosques.







Israel only knows one tactic, level everything to the ground.

Israeli air strikes leave Lebanese village Naqoura in ruins – Over 50 civilians dead in six months

Reporting from the bombed-out ruins of the southern Lebanese border village of Naqoura, Al Jazeera’s Ali Hashem says the destruction is similar to many other villages located along the border with Israel.

“There are hundreds of destroyed houses,” Hashem says of the attacks by Israel that have levelled entire neighbourhoods in numerous villages and forced their inhabitants to flee for safety.



Israeli military claims to hit Hezbollah post in Lebanon

Israeli fighter jets carried out overnight strikes on a Hezbollah post and other military infrastructure in the Lebanese border towns of Khiam and Kafr Kila.

Footage posted by Israel’s military on Telegram appears to show two of the aerial strikes with one levelling a building.




More Western hypocrisy on display.

UN Security Council fails to condemn strike on Iran in Syria

The United States, Britain and France opposed a Russian-drafted UN Security Council statement that would have condemned an attack on Iran’s embassy compound in Syria.

Diplomats said the US, backed by France and Britain, told council colleagues many of the facts of what happened on Monday in Damascus remained unclear, and there was no consensus among council members during a meeting on Tuesday.

“This serves as a clear illustration of the double standards employed by the Western ‘troika’ and their actual, rather than declarative, approach to legality and order in the international context,” Russia’s deputy UN ambassador Dmitry Polyanskiy said in a post on X.

The UN Security Council has issued statements in the past condemning attacks on diplomatic premises. The European Union on Wednesday condemned the strike – saying the inviolability of diplomatic and consular premises and personnel must be respected – and called on countries to show restraint.




US blackmailing the UN...

‘High time now’ for the state of Palestine at the United Nations

Riyad Mansour, the Palestinian UN ambassador, says 140 countries recognise the state of Palestine and “we believe it is high time now for our state to become a full member at the United Nations”.

Mansour said he expects the UN Security Council to vote on the Palestinian request for full UN membership at its monthly meeting on the Middle East, being held at ministerial level on April 18.

He said it is the Palestinians’ “natural and legal right” to seek full UN membership and declared “Let the process unfold”.

But US Deputy Ambassador Robert Wood noted the US Congress adopted legislation “that in essence says that if the UNSC approves full membership for the Palestinians outside of a bilateral agreement between Israel and the Palestinians … [US] funding would be cut off to the UN system”.

“We’re bound by US laws. So our hope is that they don’t pursue that. But that’s up to them,” said Wood.



Israeli settler attacks on Palestinians in West Bank tops 700 since Oct 7

The UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (UNOCHA) has recorded 704 attacks by Israeli settlers on Palestinians in the occupied West Bank, including occupied East Jerusalem.

On average, there were four attacks perpetrated by Israeli settlers against local Palestinians in the six months since the Hamas raid on southern Israel and Israel’s war on Gaza on October 7, UNOCHA reports.

The more than 700 attacks led to casualties in 69 reported incidents, damage to Palestinian-owned property in 558 incidents, and damaged property and casualties in 77 cases.

“In total, 17 Palestinians have been killed and over 400 injured within this context, over 9,900 trees were damaged, and 40 houses were vandalized,” UNOCHA said.

Still not labeled as terrorists, but a couple of settlers have been sanctioned. That will solve it...


People fighting back in the West Bank with IEDs

Video footage captures IED blasts targeting Israeli forces in West Bank

Our colleagues in Al Jazeera Arabic have shared two videos – authenticated by the Sanad verification unit – showing improvised explosive devices (IED) detonating as Israeli forces conduct military raids in the occupied West Bank.

Earlier we reported on arrests and injuries of young Palestinians as Israeli forces, accompanied by military bulldozers, conducted raids and destroyed civilian infrastructure in the towns of Qabatiya and Silat al-Dhahr, south of Jenin, and in Jenin City and the Jenin refugee camp.

The video footage shared by AJA is said to show IED blasts in Qabatiya town and Jenin city.



Translation: The moment an explosive device was detonated in the occupation vehicles during their storming of the city of Jenin.

Undercover Israeli raids increase in the occupied West Bank

The Israeli army’s undercover unit is as old as the occupation itself.

Its members receive training on how to infiltrate Palestinian communities, how to dress and talk like Palestinians. Some even entered mosques and pretended to perform prayers before carrying out their operations.

Since the war on Gaza started, undercover soldiers have intensified their raids across the occupied West Bank.




Israeli forces kill Palestinian near Jenin


Another 40 Palestinians arrested in occupied West Bank since last night

Israeli forces detained 40 Palestinians, including three women, in raids throughout the occupied West Bank since Wednesday night, reports the Wafa news agency, citing the Palestinian Prisoner’s Society.

Most arrests took place in Jerusalem governorate, while others were in Ramallah, Hebron, Bethlehem, Jenin, Qalqilya, Tubas and Nablus.

The wave of arrests adds to more than 8,030 Palestinians detained in the occupied West Bank since October 7.