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BraLoD said:
Kyuu said:

Insomniac will have released Miles Morales, Rift Apart, Spider-Man 2, Wolverine, and possibly one more game before Naughty Dog made their first current gen game 😆

All good games probably, never played them, but the funny thing is that I firmly believe Intergalactic will possibly be better than all of those combined.

Naughty Dog games are generation definying moments, so even as they missed their first go at this gen hardware with TLoU online, when their game do drop it has potential to outshine basically everything else released up to that point.

Unless quality gap is monumental, one masterpiece will never be better than 3 games of very high quality as far as I'm concerned. Playstation consoles have always been comfortably my favorite of their generations with the exception of X360 coming close. And the reason is the diversity and sheer numbers of games of very high quality in addition to the few "true masterpieces".

If I delete MGS and the top 10 PS1 games from the console's library, it would have still been the best platform of its generation imo, and comfortably ahead of N64 which in this scenario dominates the PS1 in a purely top 10 vs 10 comparison.

I don't want to talk much about TLoU2 which is obviously a sensitive topic. Some aspects about the game were excellent but it's just not the universal masterpiece some fans make it out to be. It's not in the same league as TLoU1 or Uncharted 2 which are on a tier of their own when it comes to Naughty Dog's games from an objective standpoint (the consensus). Personally, my favorite Naughty Dog game is Crash Team Racing, followed by TLoU1 and Uncharted 2. But then again, I don't really believe in ranking incomparable games anymore. CTR and Uncharted 2 provide different kinds of entertainment, as do games like Rift Apart and Spider-Man. Some things just can't be compared.

Naughty Dog does hold a better record at the absolute top, but Insomianc's combination of quality and productivity is admirable, and they deserve to be recognized as the superior developer these days. As someone who hasn't played anything from Insomniac since Ratchet PS2, I'm more excited for Wolverine (X-Men is my favorite comic book series) than Intergalactic. I don't think it's a sure thing that critics or people in general will prefer Intergalactic over Wolverine, let alone all of Insomniac's games combined.

Naughty Dog is more like Sony's Retro Studios nowadays. Their capability of making masterpieces doesn't justify the poor output.

Last edited by Kyuu - on 25 September 2025

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Kyuu said:
BraLoD said:

All good games probably, never played them, but the funny thing is that I firmly believe Intergalactic will possibly be better than all of those combined.

Naughty Dog games are generation definying moments, so even as they missed their first go at this gen hardware with TLoU online, when their game do drop it has potential to outshine basically everything else released up to that point.

Unless quality gap is monumental, one masterpiece will never be better than 3 games of very high quality as far as I'm concerned. Playstation consoles have always been comfortably my favorite of their generations with the exception of X360 coming close. And the reason is the diversity and sheer numbers of games of very high quality in addition to the few "true masterpieces".

If I delete MGS and the top 10 PS1 games from the console's library, it would have still been the best platform of its generation imo, and comfortably ahead of N64 which in this scenario dominates the PS1 in a purely top 10 vs 10 comparison.

I don't want to talk much about TLoU2 which is obviously a sensitive topic. Some aspects about the game were excellent but it's just not the universal masterpiece some fans make it out to be. It's not in the same league as TLoU1 or Uncharted 2 which are on a tier of their own when it comes to Naughty Dog's games from an objective standpoint (the consensus). Personally, my favorite Naughty Dog game is Crash Team Racing, followed by TLoU1 and Uncharted 2. But then again, I don't really believe in ranking incomparable games anymore. CTR and Uncharted 2 provide different kinds of entertainment, as do games like Rift Apart and Spider-Man. Some things just can't be compared.

Naughty Dog does hold a better record at the absolute top, but Insomianc's combination of quality and productivity is admirable, and they deserve to be recognized as the superior developer these days. As someone who hasn't played anything from Insomniac since Ratchet PS2, I'm more excited for Wolverine (X-Men is my favorite comic book series) than Intergalactic. I don't think it's a sure thing that critics or people in general will prefer Intergalactic over Wolverine, let alone all of Insomniac's games combined.

Naughty Dog is more like Sony's Retro Studios nowadays. Their capability of making masterpieces doesn't justify the poor output.

Well we will agree to disagree in many things here.

To me TLoU 2 is indeed the universal masterpiece some fans say it is, and in fact there is not a single thing TLoU 1, another masterpiece, does better than 2 as a game, even as I think 1 personal story development between Joel and Ellie is better than anything in 2 and that alone makes me pick 1 over 2 most of the times, because yes, something so good can tip the balance over many other things 2 does better.

And that is the same for games themselves, I would never trade 1 masterpiece for 4 or 5 good or great games, the 1 masterpiece has more value to me than those combined. That is the one I'll keep thinking back on.

TLoU alone made people start questioning if the entire PS3 library was better than the 360 out there, even as to me personally there are several other games on PS3 than make it undoubtly better, TLoU by itself had this power as well, same way as other masterpieces do.

Of course it's just my opinion and my way to value things, same as everyone's else has their own.

There is nothing wrong to be more excited to Wolverine or any other games over a ND game, that's also personal taste.

Last edited by BraLoD - on 25 September 2025

Ghost of Yotei getting great reviews, above Tsushima original release and on par with the Director's Cut complete version.

Also seems pretty universal Yotei is one of the best looking games ever based on even the lowest scored reviews.

Can't freaking wait!



Great reviews for GoY!

The open world is sounding more dynamic, with side content being more meaningful, rather than the usual checklist style objectives. 



BraLoD said:
twintail said:

I think GoW2.5 is going to have a very short runway to release. Sony aren't going to give a 2.5D game a massive marketing blitz even if it is GoW. I imagine it's a post Saros release, so an announcement. It'll probably be at their Jan/ Feb SoP. Or they go all out at TGS (I doubt)

If this game actually exists they completely missing the series 20th anniverssary to announce it is ridiculous, at this point I don't believe it's real anymore, because if it this, the marketing is already a disaster.

Eh, Sony don't really care enough about anniversaries to make sure there's a game release for them, for better or worse.

I don't think anyone was expecting it this year after the news that it was supposedly delayed to add VA. It was always 2026 at that point. 



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BraLoD said:
Kyuu said:

Unless quality gap is monumental, one masterpiece will never be better than 3 games of very high quality as far as I'm concerned. Playstation consoles have always been comfortably my favorite of their generations with the exception of X360 coming close. And the reason is the diversity and sheer numbers of games of very high quality in addition to the few "true masterpieces".

If I delete MGS and the top 10 PS1 games from the console's library, it would have still been the best platform of its generation imo, and comfortably ahead of N64 which in this scenario dominates the PS1 in a purely top 10 vs 10 comparison.

I don't want to talk much about TLoU2 which is obviously a sensitive topic. Some aspects about the game were excellent but it's just not the universal masterpiece some fans make it out to be. It's not in the same league as TLoU1 or Uncharted 2 which are on a tier of their own when it comes to Naughty Dog's games from an objective standpoint (the consensus). Personally, my favorite Naughty Dog game is Crash Team Racing, followed by TLoU1 and Uncharted 2. But then again, I don't really believe in ranking incomparable games anymore. CTR and Uncharted 2 provide different kinds of entertainment, as do games like Rift Apart and Spider-Man. Some things just can't be compared.

Naughty Dog does hold a better record at the absolute top, but Insomianc's combination of quality and productivity is admirable, and they deserve to be recognized as the superior developer these days. As someone who hasn't played anything from Insomniac since Ratchet PS2, I'm more excited for Wolverine (X-Men is my favorite comic book series) than Intergalactic. I don't think it's a sure thing that critics or people in general will prefer Intergalactic over Wolverine, let alone all of Insomniac's games combined.

Naughty Dog is more like Sony's Retro Studios nowadays. Their capability of making masterpieces doesn't justify the poor output.

Well we will agree to disagree in many things here.

To me TLoU 2 is indeed the universal masterpiece some fans say it is, and in fact there is not a single thing TLoU 1, another masterpiece, does better than 2 as a game, even as I think 1 personal story development between Joel and Ellie is better than anything in 2 and that alone makes me pick 1 over 2 most of the times, because yes, something so good can tip the balance over many other things 2 does better.

And that is the same for games themselves, I would never trade 1 masterpiece for 4 or 5 good or great games, the 1 masterpiece has more value to me than those combined. That is the one I'll keep thinking back on.

TLoU alone made people start questioning if the entire PS3 library was better than the 360 out there, even as to me personally there are several other games on PS3 than make it undoubtly better, TLoU by itself had this power as well, same way as other masterpieces do.

Of course it's just my opinion and my way to value things, same as everyone's else has their own.

There is nothing wrong to be more excited to Wolverine or any other games over a ND game, that's also personal taste.

By "universal masterpiece" I meant a game that is generally regarded one of the best. TLoU2 is a divisive game per consensus (due to the story, which is a central element of the series). Critical reception doesn't always align with the general opinions. There are countless cases where critical and user receptions are quite different. A game/movie/whatever that is universally loved doesn't exist, but some are closer to achieving that than others. TLoU2 doesn't stand alongside Sony's most beloved games of all time, it's too controversial for that.

I probably wouldn't trade the Metal Gear Solid 1 experience for the entire PS5 library (including MGS Delta), but this is taking into account the sentimental value of MGS1, my GOAT! It does not mean that I think it's better than all PS5 games combined.

All things considered, Insomniac is objectively on a whole other level compared to this era's Naughty Dog which hasn't produced a single game this generation. This isn't the kind of flaw that a generation-defining Intergalactic can address.



twintail said:
BraLoD said:

If this game actually exists they completely missing the series 20th anniverssary to announce it is ridiculous, at this point I don't believe it's real anymore, because if it this, the marketing is already a disaster.

Eh, Sony don't really care enough about anniversaries to make sure there's a game release for them, for better or worse.

I don't think anyone was expecting it this year after the news that it was supposedly delayed to add VA. It was always 2026 at that point. 

And what's the problem on announcing a 2026 game this year? Saros is very late 2026 and is already announced with gameplay shown as well.

Purposedly missing the anniversary to not announce it this year is... a choice, I guess? Makes literal 0 sense tho, already seeing people angry about it out there.

If the game doesn't exist, well then it's obviously fine, but if it does and is decently close to release, just why would they not announce it?



BraLoD said:
twintail said:

Eh, Sony don't really care enough about anniversaries to make sure there's a game release for them, for better or worse.

I don't think anyone was expecting it this year after the news that it was supposedly delayed to add VA. It was always 2026 at that point. 

And what's the problem on announcing a 2026 game this year? Saros is very late 2026 and is already announced with gameplay shown as well.

Purposedly missing the anniversary to not announce it this year is... a choice, I guess? Makes literal 0 sense tho, already seeing people angry about it out there.

If the game doesn't exist, well then it's obviously fine, but if it does and is decently close to release, just why would they not announce it?

Do you mean Wolverine? Saros is only 6 months away.



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Kyuu said:
BraLoD said:

Well we will agree to disagree in many things here.

To me TLoU 2 is indeed the universal masterpiece some fans say it is, and in fact there is not a single thing TLoU 1, another masterpiece, does better than 2 as a game, even as I think 1 personal story development between Joel and Ellie is better than anything in 2 and that alone makes me pick 1 over 2 most of the times, because yes, something so good can tip the balance over many other things 2 does better.

And that is the same for games themselves, I would never trade 1 masterpiece for 4 or 5 good or great games, the 1 masterpiece has more value to me than those combined. That is the one I'll keep thinking back on.

TLoU alone made people start questioning if the entire PS3 library was better than the 360 out there, even as to me personally there are several other games on PS3 than make it undoubtly better, TLoU by itself had this power as well, same way as other masterpieces do.

Of course it's just my opinion and my way to value things, same as everyone's else has their own.

There is nothing wrong to be more excited to Wolverine or any other games over a ND game, that's also personal taste.

By "universal masterpiece" I meant a game that is generally regarded one of the best. TLoU2 is a divisive game per consensus (due to the story, which is a central element of the series). Critical reception doesn't always align with the general opinions. There are countless cases where critical and user receptions are quite different. A game/movie/whatever that is universally loved doesn't exist, but some are closer to achieving that than others. TLoU2 doesn't stand alongside Sony's most beloved games of all time, it's too controversial for that.

I probably wouldn't trade the Metal Gear Solid 1 experience for the entire PS5 library (including MGS Delta), but this is taking into account the sentimental value of MGS1, my GOAT! It does not mean that I think it's better than all PS5 games combined.

All things considered, Insomniac is objectively on a whole other level compared to this era's Naughty Dog which hasn't produced a single game this generation. This isn't the kind of flaw that a generation-defining Intergalactic can address.

It sure is when the studio/franchise in question is generation definying. And that is what Naughty Dog does.

Look at Nintendo, it basically only have 1 major 3D Mario every generation with the exception to the Wii and you'll struggle to find someone complaining about it because those games some the definying experiences for them.

People wait as long as needed for a potential Red Dead Redemption 2 and GTA 6, a new major Zelda or God of War. These are the level of expectation and weight a Naughty Dog game carries.

Insonmiac is great, and their output is actually crazy fast, but it is indeed different levels of games.



BraLoD said:

And what's the problem on announcing a 2026 game this year? Saros is very late 2026 and is already announced with gameplay shown as well.

Purposedly missing the anniversary to not announce it this year is... a choice, I guess? Makes literal 0 sense tho, already seeing people angry about it out there.

If the game doesn't exist, well then it's obviously fine, but if it does and is decently close to release, just why would they not announce it?

Because I imagine the game is getting a very very short announcement to release window: like Feb SoP announcement - March/ April release.

I mean, ppl get angry about a lot of things Sony does. Sony doesn't care about anniversaries; most companies don't make game announcements/ releases on anniversary years either. 

By this time next year people would've forgotten that GoW 2.5 was announced and released on the 21st anniversary. and who knows, there's still the TGAs in December. 

Last edited by twintail - on 26 September 2025