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Kyuu on 25 September 2025
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BraLoD said:
Kyuu said:

Unless quality gap is monumental, one masterpiece will never be better than 3 games of very high quality as far as I'm concerned. Playstation consoles have always been comfortably my favorite of their generations with the exception of X360 coming close. And the reason is the diversity and sheer numbers of games of very high quality in addition to the few "true masterpieces".

If I delete MGS and the top 10 PS1 games from the console's library, it would have still been the best platform of its generation imo, and comfortably ahead of N64 which in this scenario dominates the PS1 in a purely top 10 vs 10 comparison.

I don't want to talk much about TLoU2 which is obviously a sensitive topic. Some aspects about the game were excellent but it's just not the universal masterpiece some fans make it out to be. It's not in the same league as TLoU1 or Uncharted 2 which are on a tier of their own when it comes to Naughty Dog's games from an objective standpoint (the consensus). Personally, my favorite Naughty Dog game is Crash Team Racing, followed by TLoU1 and Uncharted 2. But then again, I don't really believe in ranking incomparable games anymore. CTR and Uncharted 2 provide different kinds of entertainment, as do games like Rift Apart and Spider-Man. Some things just can't be compared.

Naughty Dog does hold a better record at the absolute top, but Insomianc's combination of quality and productivity is admirable, and they deserve to be recognized as the superior developer these days. As someone who hasn't played anything from Insomniac since Ratchet PS2, I'm more excited for Wolverine (X-Men is my favorite comic book series) than Intergalactic. I don't think it's a sure thing that critics or people in general will prefer Intergalactic over Wolverine, let alone all of Insomniac's games combined.

Naughty Dog is more like Sony's Retro Studios nowadays. Their capability of making masterpieces doesn't justify the poor output.

Well we will agree to disagree in many things here.

To me TLoU 2 is indeed the universal masterpiece some fans say it is, and in fact there is not a single thing TLoU 1, another masterpiece, does better than 2 as a game, even as I think 1 personal story development between Joel and Ellie is better than anything in 2 and that alone makes me pick 1 over 2 most of the times, because yes, something so good can tip the balance over many other things 2 does better.

And that is the same for games themselves, I would never trade 1 masterpiece for 4 or 5 good or great games, the 1 masterpiece has more value to me than those combined. That is the one I'll keep thinking back on.

TLoU alone made people start questioning if the entire PS3 library was better than the 360 out there, even as to me personally there are several other games on PS3 than make it undoubtly better, TLoU by itself had this power as well, same way as other masterpieces do.

Of course it's just my opinion and my way to value things, same as everyone's else has their own.

There is nothing wrong to be more excited to Wolverine or any other games over a ND game, that's also personal taste.

By "universal masterpiece" I meant a game that is generally regarded one of the best. TLoU2 is a divisive game per consensus (due to the story, which is a central element of the series). Critical reception doesn't always align with the general opinions. There are countless cases where critical and user receptions are quite different. A game/movie/whatever that is universally loved doesn't exist, but some are closer to achieving that than others. TLoU2 doesn't stand alongside Sony's most beloved games of all time, it's too controversial for that.

I probably wouldn't trade the Metal Gear Solid 1 experience for the entire PS5 library (including MGS Delta), but this is taking into account the sentimental value of MGS1, my GOAT! It does not mean that I think it's better than all PS5 games combined.

All things considered, Insomniac is objectively on a whole other level compared to this era's Naughty Dog which hasn't produced a single game this generation. This isn't the kind of flaw that a generation-defining Intergalactic can address.