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The_Yoda said:
xboxgreen said:

Depends on what you define as rich and what life style they choose to live. Someone who has 3 million dollars in net worth is consider rich to me. If they want to travel a lot and see the world they can. However, they will have to be careful not to overspend or else they will lose all of of their money. A rich billionaire life style might be an entrepreneur who wants to use their money to create new products, services and innovation. That requires a lot of money sometimes.

If you start taxing rich people a lot more they will find ways to recoup their loses. Usually at the cost of the middle class. People end up poor a lot because of their own doing majority of the time. They don't invest and pay off their debt. Then when something comes up like a layoff, they don't have any money and blame everyone else. Even though if they invest their money they would've been fine.

Teachers are a good example on how to become rich. Teachers may not get paid the most but are one of the demographics that become millionaires more frequent than any other profession. Because it is all about time and budgeting.

Not to mention if you tax too much you end up losing more tax revenue. For example, if you tax rich people a much higher rate then the billionaires will leave and stop investing in the United Staes. If you tax middle/poor class too much they will stop working because there will be no point in working.





I have never heard that about teachers and i am skeptical.  Do you have any sources for that?  Growing up in the USA i have always felt teachers were underpaid.  I always loop back to pro-athlete vs teachers wages and feel like we have things horribly bass-akwards when we pay entertainers so much better than those teachers helping shape our countries future.

Most teachers I know are grossly underpaid and make less than I do. On the other hand, the highest paid public employees in almost every state except maybe a few northeastern states with Ivy League schools are almost always the head football coach of those states’ flagship universities. In Oklahoma, where teachers’ pay is near the bottom while the people still scream that they’re overpaid, the head coaches at OU and OSU are paid seven or eight figure Wall Street salaries. 





I describe myself as a little dose of toxic masculinity.

SanAndreasX said:
The_Yoda said:

I have never heard that about teachers and i am skeptical.  Do you have any sources for that?  Growing up in the USA i have always felt teachers were underpaid.  I always loop back to pro-athlete vs teachers wages and feel like we have things horribly bass-akwards when we pay entertainers so much better than those teachers helping shape our countries future.

Most teachers I know are grossly underpaid and make less than I do. On the other hand, the highest paid public employees in almost every state except maybe a few northeastern states with Ivy League schools are almost always the head football coach of those states’ flagship universities. In Oklahoma, where teachers’ pay is near the bottom while the people still scream that they’re overpaid, the head coaches at OU and OSU are paid seven or eight figure Wall Street salaries. 

Almost the very definition of "a labor of love" since public school teachers sure as hell aren't in it for the money.



SvennoJ said:
shavenferret said:

That's why there has been so much anti-semitism.  The ashenkazi jews just soar above and beyond most people in Europe.  And the nazis wanted to punish the people that they knew were better than them.  You don't have to agree, and it's just my 2 cents.  Realize that Hitler was probably a malignant narcissist.  

On one hand they have the "look at me", "look at me" narcissist thing going on.  On the other, they have evil solutions that most narcissists wouldn't dream of.  That's why i think he devised the holocaust since the Jews were smarter and better than the Germans on average.  

The whole Planet of the Apes thing was a good analogy since it has two important things in common with the Palestenian and Jew situation.  Originally, the Jews were the Hebrew people.  And they came before the Palestenians.  The Jews are also smarter, and better than than the Palestenians.  They have been able to become much wealthier than not only the Palestenians, but the neighboring nations.    

I definitely do no agree with any of that.


https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/antisemitism-in-history-the-era-of-nationalism-1800-1918

The emancipation of the Jews enabled them to own land, enter the civil service, and serve as officers in the national armed forces. It created the impression for some others—particularly those who felt left behind, traumatized by change, or unable to achieve occupational satisfaction and economic security in accordance with their expectations—that Jews were displacing non-Jews in professions traditionally reserved for Christians. It also created for some the impression that at the same time, Jews were being overrepresented in future-oriented professions of the late nineteenth century: finance, banking, trade, industry, medicine, law, journalism, art, music, literature, and theater.

Sounds a lot like current Islamophobia in Europe, the immigrants are taking our jobs.

In summary, 18th-century antisemitism was a multifaceted phenomenon driven by religious prejudices, economic tensions, and evolving social and political contexts, with roots in the medieval past but taking on new forms in the Enlightenment era.

Hitler capitalized on existing anti-semitism to further his goals, just like Trump is using anti immigration sentiment to further his goals and Netanyahu is furthering anti Arab/Muslim sentiments for his. It's the same story as always.

https://www.annefrank.org/en/topics/antisemitism/why-did-hitler-hate-jews/



Originally both Jews and Palestinians were Caanites. In fact ME Jews and Palestinians share the same ancestry. Most that remained in the area, after the Roman invasion, converted to Islam which became the dominant religion in the Ottoman Empire.

However Jews and Muslims still lived peacefully together

While Islam was the dominant religion, the empire also included significant populations of Christians, Jews, and other religious minorities, who were often governed under a system of religious autonomy known as the millet system.


https://library.biblicalarchaeology.org/collections/where-did-early-israelites-come/

While the Bible portrays a clear distinction between the Israelites and the Canaanites, modern scholarship suggests that the early Israelites were likely part of the Canaanite population. They may have been rural villagers, displaced peasants, or pastoral groups who gradually coalesced into a distinct group with their own identity and traditions.


And most of that wealth in Israel is imported... setting up and supporting its high tech industry which is now suffering brain drain.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/war-spurs-brain-drain-outflow-of-israeli-high-tech-employees-report-finds/



And pretty much relying on a permanent war economy nowadays
https://www.securityincontext.org/posts/merchants-of-death-israels-permanent-war-economy


But if you want to boil it all down to, Jews are smarter thus they hate them... Maybe learn some history.

Now why Jews (who are not a race) are more intelligent (at least in IQ tests) is because of their religion and traditions. Education!

The Torah strongly promotes education. Jewish tradition places a high value on learning and studying, particularly the Torah itself, and it commands parents to educate their children. This emphasis on education is seen as crucial for both individual development and the continuity of Jewish life and tradition. 

Education, the very thing Trump is dismantling further...

(And why I put at least in IQ tests in parenthesis is because with all that available intelligence Israel has still not found a way to peacefully co-exist with their neighbors)

Well, i'm glad that i've converted you from thinking that jews arent smarter and that such ideas are in fact racist, towards that they are in fact very bright. But this nature vs nurture debate is irrelevant to myself.  

Ok, so i'm going to take a brief departure from this debate between us.  Even intellectuals need to divert our attention sometimes.  I made you a few AI art pictures if you don't mind: 

1.  "jewish rabbi whose cranium is very large. In the background you see a chalkboard with physics equations"

2.  I got the AI to make an image of Yakub with his enormous head.  That guy's IQ must be 300.  According to the Nation of Islam, he was so intelligent that he invented white people who had so much evil inside them that they committed all kinds of atrocities.  I don't know whether or not i agree with that, but there have been some Nation of Islam members who have been quite controversial within American society.  Remember Malcom X?  The NOI capped him.  We also had that NOI clown Louis Farrakhan. Anyway, here u go  

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The_Yoda said:
SvennoJ said:

That still has the same definition since 1951:

https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/documents/atrocity-crimes/Doc.1_Convention%20on%20the%20Prevention%20and%20Punishment%20of%20the%20Crime%20of%20Genocide.pdf

Article I
The Contracting Parties confirm that genocide, whether committed in time of peace or in
time of war, is a crime under international law which they undertake to prevent and to
punish.

Article II
In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with
intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as
such:
(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c ) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its
physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

Article III
The following acts shall be punishable:
(a) Genocide;
(b) Conspiracy to commit genocide;
(c ) Direct and public incitement to commit genocide;
(d) Attempt to commit genocide;
(e) Complicity in genocide.

Article IV
Persons committing genocide or any of the other acts enumerated in article III shall be
punished, whether they are constitutionally responsible rulers, public officials or private
individuals.

And continued in the link

If anything Israel/Aipac try to change the definition of genocide to only be relevant after total extermination. 

It is the "in part" part of that definition that I take issue with.  It opens the term up to be applied to nearly any conflict.  You killed say 5% of a group and left the other part alone that is still "in part" and falls under the LEGAL definition of Genocide that the UN adopted.  It washes the word out and muddies it's meaning.

Encyclopedia Britannica

genocide, the deliberate and systematic destruction of a group of people because of their ethnicity, nationality, religion, or race. The term, derived from the Greek genos (“race,” “tribe,” or “nation”) and the Latin cide (“killing”), was coined by Raphael Lemkin, a Polish-born jurist who served as an adviser to the U.S. Department of War during World War II.

Miriam-Webster

genocide

noun

geno·​cide ˈje-nə-ˌsīd 
: the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group

Lemkin defined “genocide” as "a coordinated plan of different actions aiming at the destruction of essential foundations of the life of national groups, with the aim of annihilating the groups themselves."

Notice those do not say "in part" they refer to the targeting of the whole group for elimination. 

What is the difference between war and genocide?
Genocide is the deliberate and often systematic destruction of an ethnic, religious, or racial group. As in warfare, one side often dehumanizes the other side, but unlike warfare, genocide is often waged by one group against another and not the other way around.
It comes down to what you think is correct.  I understand that you use the UN Legal definition because it fits your narrative.  I disagree with the "in part" section of the  legal definition and adhere to the creator of the word's definition.  If I think something is Genocide then it fits both Lemkin's (and most dictionaries) definition and the UN / US Legal definition.  You seem to only support the Legal definition that does not always fit the dictionary definition.
As an aside I did see one dictionary definition that was an almost verbatim take from the UN legal one it included ("in part").  Also the fact that the English-Oxford dictionary is behind a paywall kind of sucks.
End of the day we will still be in disagreement over Genocide fitting the original point of definitions being weakened.  
Genocide is the deliberate and often systematic destruction of an ethnic, religious, or racial group. As in warfare, one side often dehumanizes the other side, but unlike warfare, genocide is often waged by one group against another and not the other way around.

Oh I thought you meant watering down the genocide definition now as opposed to in 1948, since you reacted to the changing of the definition of anti-semitism now, not 77 years ago. And that newly adopted IHRA definition is also a legal definition. Hence the original dictionary definition was not on my mind...


The reason the UN adopted "in whole or in part" in the legal definition is because it's part of the conventions to prevent genocide from being carried out / completed. 

Anyway what's happening in Gaza fits Lemkin's description as well

https://www.facinghistory.org/resource-library/raphael-lemkin-genocide-convention

In 1944, Lemkin made up a new word to describe these crimes: genocide. Lemkin defined genocide as “the destruction of a nation or an ethnic group.” He built the word, he said, “from the ancient Greek word genos (race, tribe) and the Latin cide (killing), thus corresponding in its formation to such words as tyrannicide, homicide, infanticide, etc.” He wrote, “Genocide is directed against the national group as an entity, and the actions involved are directed against individuals, not in their individual capacity, but as members of the national group.

This was an important element of the definition of genocide: people were killed or excluded not because of anything they did or said or thought but simply because they were members of a particular group. For Lemkin, genocide was an international crime—a threat to international peace and to humanity’s shared beliefs.

That's exactly what's happening in Gaza, everyone is a target, everyone is deemed guilty, everyone is starved and bombed simply because they are Palestinians.



shavenferret said:
SvennoJ said:

I definitely do no agree with any of that.


https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/antisemitism-in-history-the-era-of-nationalism-1800-1918

The emancipation of the Jews enabled them to own land, enter the civil service, and serve as officers in the national armed forces. It created the impression for some others—particularly those who felt left behind, traumatized by change, or unable to achieve occupational satisfaction and economic security in accordance with their expectations—that Jews were displacing non-Jews in professions traditionally reserved for Christians. It also created for some the impression that at the same time, Jews were being overrepresented in future-oriented professions of the late nineteenth century: finance, banking, trade, industry, medicine, law, journalism, art, music, literature, and theater.

Sounds a lot like current Islamophobia in Europe, the immigrants are taking our jobs.

In summary, 18th-century antisemitism was a multifaceted phenomenon driven by religious prejudices, economic tensions, and evolving social and political contexts, with roots in the medieval past but taking on new forms in the Enlightenment era.

Hitler capitalized on existing anti-semitism to further his goals, just like Trump is using anti immigration sentiment to further his goals and Netanyahu is furthering anti Arab/Muslim sentiments for his. It's the same story as always.

https://www.annefrank.org/en/topics/antisemitism/why-did-hitler-hate-jews/



Originally both Jews and Palestinians were Caanites. In fact ME Jews and Palestinians share the same ancestry. Most that remained in the area, after the Roman invasion, converted to Islam which became the dominant religion in the Ottoman Empire.

However Jews and Muslims still lived peacefully together

While Islam was the dominant religion, the empire also included significant populations of Christians, Jews, and other religious minorities, who were often governed under a system of religious autonomy known as the millet system.


https://library.biblicalarchaeology.org/collections/where-did-early-israelites-come/

While the Bible portrays a clear distinction between the Israelites and the Canaanites, modern scholarship suggests that the early Israelites were likely part of the Canaanite population. They may have been rural villagers, displaced peasants, or pastoral groups who gradually coalesced into a distinct group with their own identity and traditions.


And most of that wealth in Israel is imported... setting up and supporting its high tech industry which is now suffering brain drain.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/war-spurs-brain-drain-outflow-of-israeli-high-tech-employees-report-finds/



And pretty much relying on a permanent war economy nowadays
https://www.securityincontext.org/posts/merchants-of-death-israels-permanent-war-economy


But if you want to boil it all down to, Jews are smarter thus they hate them... Maybe learn some history.

Now why Jews (who are not a race) are more intelligent (at least in IQ tests) is because of their religion and traditions. Education!

The Torah strongly promotes education. Jewish tradition places a high value on learning and studying, particularly the Torah itself, and it commands parents to educate their children. This emphasis on education is seen as crucial for both individual development and the continuity of Jewish life and tradition. 

Education, the very thing Trump is dismantling further...

(And why I put at least in IQ tests in parenthesis is because with all that available intelligence Israel has still not found a way to peacefully co-exist with their neighbors)

Well, i'm glad that i've converted you from thinking that jews arent smarter and that such ideas are in fact racist, towards that they are in fact very bright. But this nature vs nurture debate is irrelevant to myself.  

Ok, so i'm going to take a brief departure from this debate between us.  Even intellectuals need to divert our attention sometimes.  I made you a few AI art pictures if you don't mind: 

1.  "jewish rabbi whose cranium is very large. In the background you see a chalkboard with physics equations"

2.  I got the AI to make an image of Yakub with his enormous head.  That guy's IQ must be 300.  According to the Nation of Islam, he was so intelligent that he invented white people who had so much evil inside them that they committed all kinds of atrocities.  I don't know whether or not i agree with that, but there have been some Nation of Islam members who have been quite controversial within American society.  Remember Malcom X?  The NOI capped him.  We also had that NOI clown Louis Farrakhan. Anyway, here u go  

Wtf?

A. When did I ever claim Jews aren't intelligent, I even showed you where education is part of the Torah and Jewish tradition. This 'conversion' you are claiming is solely in your head.
B. The continued ethic cleansing and genocide is about the smartest campaign that the world has ever witnessed, hence so hard to stop. Continually pushing the boundaries while instilling just enough 'reasonable' doubt to be able to continue with impunity. There's a term for that, gaslighting.
C. Wtf? 

Why are you so obsessed with Jewish intelligence? And what has some 6,600 year old mythological figure have to do with anything.

Maybe just stop replying if all you have is mythology inspired AI nonsense.



Pro-MAGA news network airs segment criticising Israeli settler attacks on US citizens

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/in-sign-of-shift-far-right-us-news-network-airs-segment-on-unchecked-israeli-settler-violence/

The far-right One America News Network has aired a segment critical of Israeli settler attacks in the occupied West Bank, in the latest signal of an apparent shift within America’s right-wing.

Posting the segment on X, which is hosted by former Florida Congressman Matt Gaetz, the pro-MAGA network asked: “How many Americans do Israeli settlers have to kill before we care?”

Gaetz – President Trump’s original pick for attorney general before he withdrew his candidacy over mounting scandals – discussed the killing of Palestinian American Sayfollah Musallet by Israeli settlers last week. He said the 20-year-old Florida-born man was “peacefully” in the occupied West Bank visiting family before he was “murdered” by a mob of Israeli settlers.

“Truth is this isn’t an isolated tragedy in the West Bank, it’s part of a pattern of Israeli settler attacks on Palestinian communities, including the torching of homes, farms and lives, all while protected by Israeli forces who are funded by US tax dollars,” Gaetz said.

“Israel rarely holds these killers accountable,” he added.


More cracks forming in MAGA.

America first, drain the swamp has turned into (already was) Israel first, forget about the swamp. (Epstein files)



The most intelligent people on Earth are a group of Physicists standing in the same room... And they come from all backgrounds... Otherwise we are all the same, with a few key feature variants.

So with that, can we get away from the stereotyping of demographics and move on? It's not constructive.




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FLASH: Attorney General Pam Bondi and Deputy Atty General Todd Blanche have filed motion in New York "to release grand jury transcripts associated with" Jeffrey Epstein case

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— Scott MacFarlane (@macfarlanenews.bsky.social) 18 July 2025 at 22:25

They're so fucking desperate and scared, this isn't at all what they promised or what people were asking for, it's going to tell us fuck all even if they didn't try to hid extra stuff in it, which they are doing, I hope MAGA isn't stupid enough to fall for this but history tells me they are.

JUST IN: The Justice Department's bid to relesae Epstein grand jury info comes with a huge caveat that it will seek to redact not just victim info but other "personal identifying information." storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.us...

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— Kyle Cheney (@kyledcheney.bsky.social) 18 July 2025 at 22:39