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Ryuu96 said:

an angry, twitching Stephen Miller yells on Fox News that Trump will "make American the manufacturing capital of the world"

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— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar.com) 8 April 2025 at 20:26

#Doubt.

Really doubt.

What conservatives don’t seem to grasp is that the 1950s aren’t coming back, nor are the conditions of a war torn world where North America was largely spared and made money off of arms and food sales. 

Europe and Asia are no longer in ruins from World War II.

China has emerged from 150 years of Western imperialism and civil wars whose belligerents were often used as Westetn proxies.

India is no longer yoked to the British Empire. 

Japan produces cars people want that are better built than anything Ford or GM make. Ford and GM are heavily dependent on bulky, clunky trucks like the F-Series and the Silverado. 

Thanks to the Green Revolution, China and India can meet a signifucant proportion of their food needs. It used to be a talking point that the Soviet Union was dependent on American farmers for grain imports. Russia and Ukraine are now the biggest grain exporters. Brazil, Australia, and the EU are major beef exporters. The EU supplies much of China’s pork, but China has been working on meeting its own demand.

These tariffs aren’t going to get American products on shelves in Europe and Asia. They’re only going to result in fewer, more expensive, and lower quality products on American shelves. 

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SanAndreasX said:

Really doubt.

What conservatives don’t seem to grasp is that the 1950s aren’t coming back, nor are the conditions of a war torn world where North America was largely spared and made money off of arms and food sales. 

Europe and Asia are no longer in ruins from World War II.

China has emerged from 150 years of Western imperialism and civil wars whose belligerents were often used as Westetn proxies.

India is no longer yoked to the British Empire. 

Japan produces cars people want that are better built than anything Ford or GM make. Ford and GM are heavily dependent on bulky, clunky trucks like the F-Series and the Silverado. 

Thanks to the Green Revolution, China and India can meet a signifucant proportion of their food needs. It used to be a talking point that the Soviet Union was dependent on American farmers for grain imports. Russia and the UK are now the biggest grain exporters. Brazil, Australia, and the EU are major beef exporters. The EU supplies much of China’s pork, but China has been working on meeting its own demand.

These tariffs aren’t going to get American products on shelves in Europe and Asia. They’re only going to result in fewer, more expensive, and lower quality products on American shelves. 

Well, Trump's not trying to take them back to the 1950's, he's trying to take them back to the Gilded Age.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trump-has-touted-gilded-age-tariffs-an-era-which-saw-industrial-growth-together-with-poverty

"“We were at our richest from 1870 to 1913. That’s when we were a tariff country. And then they went to an income tax concept,” Trump said days after taking office. “It’s fine. It’s OK. But it would have been very much better.”"

"Trump says high tariffs and low interest rates, like those the U.S. had after the Civil War, can hastily pay down today’s federal debt and fatten government coffers while boosting domestic manufacturers and enticing foreign producers to move to the U.S."



the-pi-guy said:
SanAndreasX said:

Really doubt.

What conservatives don’t seem to grasp is that the 1950s aren’t coming back, nor are the conditions of a war torn world where North America was largely spared and made money off of arms and food sales. 

Europe and Asia are no longer in ruins from World War II.

China has emerged from 150 years of Western imperialism and civil wars whose belligerents were often used as Westetn proxies.

India is no longer yoked to the British Empire. 

Japan produces cars people want that are better built than anything Ford or GM make. Ford and GM are heavily dependent on bulky, clunky trucks like the F-Series and the Silverado. 

Thanks to the Green Revolution, China and India can meet a signifucant proportion of their food needs. It used to be a talking point that the Soviet Union was dependent on American farmers for grain imports. Russia and the UK are now the biggest grain exporters. Brazil, Australia, and the EU are major beef exporters. The EU supplies much of China’s pork, but China has been working on meeting its own demand.

These tariffs aren’t going to get American products on shelves in Europe and Asia. They’re only going to result in fewer, more expensive, and lower quality products on American shelves. 

Well, Trump's not trying to take them back to the 1950's, he's trying to take them back to the Gilded Age.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trump-has-touted-gilded-age-tariffs-an-era-which-saw-industrial-growth-together-with-poverty

"“We were at our richest from 1870 to 1913. That’s when we were a tariff country. And then they went to an income tax concept,” Trump said days after taking office. “It’s fine. It’s OK. But it would have been very much better.”"

"Trump says high tariffs and low interest rates, like those the U.S. had after the Civil War, can hastily pay down today’s federal debt and fatten government coffers while boosting domestic manufacturers and enticing foreign producers to move to the U.S."

And again, the world was a very different place in 1870, one where China was being stripped for parts by European and American great powers and India was being pillaged by the British. 



2 year old doc just popped up in my feed, I wonder why... (as do many new commenters on the video)



SanAndreasX said:

And again, the world was a very different place in 1870, one where China was being stripped for parts by European and American great powers and India was being pillaged by the British. 

You're going the wrong way with this.  

The Gilded Age was not a time of prosperity - notable for political corruption, and the wealthy taking all the spoils, while being a terrible time for everyone else.  

I feel like that's a rare honest moment from Trump.

I would just generally say that if conservatives wanted to "make America great again", they're largely going in the completely wrong direction. The 1950's had high investments and high tax rates - a lot of other things that conservatives are pushing against. 



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I expect Trump to stick with his tariffs throughout this week, almost exclusively out of spite with a sliver of him truly believing that he's right. Too many people have called him stupid and cowardly for his ongoing tariffs on, tariffs off flip-flopping, so in his mind he has got to teach all those people a lesson.

On a positive note, it's good to see a conflict developing between Elon Musk and the Trump administration. It's still in its infancy, but nobody has been losing more money than Musk in recent weeks.



Legend11 correctly predicted that GTA IV will outsell Super Smash Bros. Brawl. I was wrong.

The lunacy continues.

The New York Post, a Murdoch tabloid, posted a story where an organization is calling for Ms. Rachel, a popular YouTube children’s star, to be investigated by the DoJ for promoting “Hamas-aligned propaganda.”

Jesus H. Christ. 

One of the big things about the Wisconsin race that Liberals won is that it reduces gerrymandering in the state. 

In the state assembly for 2018 for example, Democrats had won 53-45 of the vote, yet Republicans almost won a super majority. 

May also give Democrats two more seats in Congress, so a chance for national changes. 





My US investments has started to decline by a few points, so pulled the pin before I lost any significant amount of money. (So I am still ahead).
Smarter to invest in Europe in the long term I think, far more stable and a larger market. Stuff the USA.

Super Annuation (Which is compulsory here) which is currently 4.2~ Trillion and set to be the largest pension scheme in the world by 2030 (For a population of only 27~ million with a GDP of 1.7~ trillion) has also been hit hard by Donald Trumps garbage, I am down a few grand on that, others are far far worst off who invested in US markets.

Crypto is down significantly, so might be worth watching Bitcoin over the coming weeks for a good cheap pickup on that.

Everything is borked.

Out of curiosity does the USA have triggers in place to eject a president who catastrophically damages the nation? Here we can fire our prime minister via a few triggers, notably the Governor General can fire our leader when our leader breaks the law or is just a fuckwit.

Politically we are starting to see a shift in sentiment here... Our conservative leaders have now started to change their tune to push more progressive ideas rather than ideas similar to Trump to gain the popular vote.




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