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Pyro as Bill said:

Million and billion dollar companies are paying higher taxes/tariffs just like everyone says they should. People are only mad cos they're likely going to pass those costs on like they do for every other tax.

Extremely disingenuous. 

Pyro as Bill said:

Those people implying Trump was going to force an untested vax on people (at the height of the pandemic) are more dangerous than Joe Rogan doing it in 2025.

Objectively false.

All of those people got vaccinated. The people that listen to Joe Rogan are not. 

Second child dies from measles-related causes in West Texas, where cases near 500

And I'm not sure why you're bringing up Joe Rogan specifically as if he's the big concern. We have "vaccine skeptics" in the White House. 



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Pyro as Bill said:
sc94597 said:

Pyro as Bill is indeed wrong about everyone who needs Medicaid getting it. Having said that, a fifth of all Americans get their insurance through Medicaid and many more than that (up to a third of the population in some states) qualify, but don't apply for it, because they think they don't qualify. It would be hard to find an American who doesn't have a family or friend who has gotten insurance through Medicaid. Copays for Medicaid are about $0-$5, and hospital stays around $20/week. So essentially "free" in the average European sense (multipayer universal healthcare with some cost sharing.)

How easy it is to get Medicaid and how much it covers (beyond a federal minimum) varies from state to state though. Purple states, ironically, have the best Medicaid services because elections are competitive and it is an easy win for politicians. A good number of blue states have inclusive Medicaid as well. Red states lag behind, considerably. 

Most homeless people qualify for Medicaid but not having a home makes the application process tricky and you have to actively apply to get coverage beyond "emergency medicaid." Hospitals will have homeless people auto-applied into emergency Medicaid because it is a way for them to get paid by the state for mandatory emergency care. 

So everyone who qualifies gets it if they apply and everyone qualifies if they have no money?

Nope. Many red states have put obstacles in place where having no money doesn't necessarily mean you qualify. Work or volunteer requirements make this the case. If you have a chronic condition that makes you short term disabled (and unable to work) and don't qualify for long-term disability you are left to the wilderness in these states.



Pyro as Bill said:
Machiavellian said:

Huh, where exactly are you getting that Trump is taxing billionaire companies. Not sure if you fully understand how the American government works if you believe that line.

Million and billion dollar companies are paying higher taxes/tariffs just like everyone says they should. People are only mad cos they're likely going to pass those costs on like they do for every other tax.

No, millions and billions of dollars are going to be paid by the consumer.  Or do you have this belief that the companies are just going to absorb the cost of those tariffs.  Not exactly sure where you are going with this line of thinking.  So exactly how will that help the US.  So, with prices going up globally because Trump decided to levy tariffs everywhere, now all spending in the US will be lowered significantly. 

That means most business will not be able to support their staff If products do not sell, companies will need to reduce the work force or go under.  If the workforce is reduced than there will be many people without a job and thus not buying anything.  If people are not buying those products then the return from the tariffs is much smaller all the while you are building a huge out of work source of consumers. 

Now you can say this would be a great time for billionaires to take advantage of the chaos.  They can purchase a few business for pennies on the dollar or they can purchase huge chunks of stocks within other companies etc.  There is nothing here that is a tax on corporations but instead an incentive for the rick to become richer while the country burns for a period of time but who cares about those wage earners.



Pyro as Bill said:
the-pi-guy said:
Pyro as Bill said:

Funny how quickly people forget who the original antivaxers were.

https://apnews.com/article/8790eda23e94aec7cf7b4beaaa67ceaf

This has nothing to do with being antivaxx. 

So when someone refuses the vax cos they have legit mental health and trust issues it's bad but when Democrats do it for nothing other than political gain it's OK?

Physician heal thyself.

Wasn't what they said or did at all, as Pi-Guy said, you're being completely dishonest.

They said a common sense thing; Trust the scientists, if the scientists say the vaccine is safe then get the vaccine. There's nothing wrong in saying this, Lmao. If on the other hand the scientists said the vaccine was dangerous but Trump said it was fine, who are you going to trust? Actual professionals in their field or some orange twat who doesn't know anything about vaccines?

Good thing the scientists said the vaccines were safe, therefore we defer back to Democrats point of "If the scientists say it's safe, get the vaccine" therefore, as soon as the scientists said it was safe, the Democrats were in effect telling everyone to then get the vaccine because it's the scientists we should trust above any politician at the end of the day.



Ryuu96 said:
Pyro as Bill said:

It's free if you don't have the assets to pay towards treatment. What's so difficult to understand?

Because at first you said it's free but you'd have to sell everything you own and all your children's inheritance, Lmao. So now I'm understanding your argument is that if you literally own nothing then treatment is free? Again, I'm not sure that's as good of an argument as you think it is, Lol. Anyway, now three Americans are saying that you're wrong or at least not giving the full facts so I'll defer to them.

Pyro as Bill said:

That's great but in the real world bills have to be paid and there's no free lunch. Just cos your government goes into massive debt to pay for the insurance doesn't mean you're kids won't pay it back tenfold in debt interest and the lack of productivity.

Don't worry, I pay my bills, I'm happy to pay my way so that others in the country can also receive free medical treatment because crazily enough, I think that a country should take care of its citizens and a healthy and happy country is best for the country. As for the debt situation, I'll provide you with this chart to illustrate the debt differences across the world.

Global Debt Database - Central Government Debt

Donald Trump Built a National Debt So Big (Even Before the Pandemic) That It’ll Weigh Down the Economy for Years

Good thing debt in America isn't an issue.

Trump Wants To Extend US Debt Ceiling, Says He Doesn't Want To See A Default

Pyro as Bill said:

Canada doesn't have the capacity yet and Europe will freeze over Winter before they do.....without US LNG.

Yeah we'll make our own except if we did that already we wouldn't be buying US. Kind of ironic that the only other bloc that could seriously compete with the US is Europe but it would mean "securing" energy from the ME and Russia and no-one has the balls. They spent 3 years debating whether it's ok to send long range missiles meanwhile Trump lowkey kills the Russian economy.

Dude accidentally hurt the Russian economy and if you were following things, the Russian economy was starting to collapse already thanks to Biden's sanctions but it took longer than expected, sanctions aren't an overnight thing and Russia and turned into a war economy country. Regardless, Trump hasn't put tariffs on Russia despite trading billions with Russia still.

Anyway I heavily attacked Biden for his cowardice in sending long-range missiles, that doesn't mean Trump is any better, Lol.

If you can't afford insurance, it's free. If you have assets you can afford insurance. People who can afford it subsidise those who can't. The US might be a bit more Darwinian but it's the same in Europe.

"care for their citizens" lol. Europe spends less than the US and Papa New Guinea spends even less. Does that mean they don't "care" or is it just the fact economic growth isn't tied to defence in Europe because we have/had the US protecting us.

Sanctions are meh. Sending oil below $60 or even $50 is REALLY bad for Russia moreso than any long range missile.



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the-pi-guy said:
Pyro as Bill said:

Million and billion dollar companies are paying higher taxes/tariffs just like everyone says they should. People are only mad cos they're likely going to pass those costs on like they do for every other tax.

Extremely disingenuous. 

Pyro as Bill said:

Those people implying Trump was going to force an untested vax on people (at the height of the pandemic) are more dangerous than Joe Rogan doing it in 2025.

Objectively false.

All of those people got vaccinated. The people that listen to Joe Rogan are not. 

Second child dies from measles-related causes in West Texas, where cases near 500

And I'm not sure why you're bringing up Joe Rogan specifically as if he's the big concern. We have "vaccine skeptics" in the White House. 

They're skeptics when it's safe to be skeptic unlike the anti-Trumpvaxers.



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Machiavellian said:
Pyro as Bill said:

Million and billion dollar companies are paying higher taxes/tariffs just like everyone says they should. People are only mad cos they're likely going to pass those costs on like they do for every other tax.

No, millions and billions of dollars are going to be paid by the consumer.  Or do you have this belief that the companies are just going to absorb the cost of those tariffs.  Not exactly sure where you are going with this line of thinking.  So exactly how will that help the US.  So, with prices going up globally because Trump decided to levy tariffs everywhere, now all spending in the US will be lowered significantly. 

That means most business will not be able to support their staff If products do not sell, companies will need to reduce the work force or go under.  If the workforce is reduced than there will be many people without a job and thus not buying anything.  If people are not buying those products then the return from the tariffs is much smaller all the while you are building a huge out of work source of consumers. 

Now you can say this would be a great time for billionaires to take advantage of the chaos.  They can purchase a few business for pennies on the dollar or they can purchase huge chunks of stocks within other companies etc.  There is nothing here that is a tax on corporations but instead an incentive for the rick to become richer while the country burns for a period of time but who cares about those wage earners.

Newsflash all of a company's costs are passed on to the consumer.



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Ryuu96 said:
Pyro as Bill said:

So when someone refuses the vax cos they have legit mental health and trust issues it's bad but when Democrats do it for nothing other than political gain it's OK?

Physician heal thyself.

Wasn't what they said or did at all, as Pi-Guy said, you're being completely dishonest.

They said a common sense thing; Trust the scientists, if the scientists say the vaccine is safe then get the vaccine. There's nothing wrong in saying this, Lmao. If on the other hand the scientists said the vaccine was dangerous but Trump said it was fine, who are you going to trust? Actual professionals in their field or some orange twat who doesn't know anything about vaccines?

Good thing the scientists said the vaccines were safe, therefore we defer back to Democrats point of "If the scientists say it's safe, get the vaccine" therefore, as soon as the scientists said it was safe, the Democrats were in effect telling everyone to then get the vaccine because it's the scientists we should trust above any politician at the end of the day.

The implication was that Trump is going to force a vax that hadn't been okayed by the scientific community. What's the vax uptake rate amongst minorities and other groups that are less likely to trust the government in the US?



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Pyro as Bill said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

LNG: Canada.

Military Hardware: We'll produce them ourselves now. Those 800 Billion € will get spent for the most part on European products, and Military Hardware production is increasing fast throughout Europe.

Net loser: The US, especially considering that until the 2010's more than half of the military hardware bought in Europe was American-made. But going forward this number will go down drastically entirely due to Trump. I'm sure the Military-industrial Complex in the US is very thankful already to Trump already for losing hundreds of billions in potential contracts by default already now.

Canada doesn't have the capacity yet and Europe will freeze over Winter before they do.....without US LNG.

Yeah we'll make our own except if we did that already we wouldn't be buying US. Kind of ironic that the only other bloc that could seriously compete with the US is Europe but it would mean "securing" energy from the ME and Russia and no-one has the balls. They spent 3 years debating whether it's ok to send long range missiles meanwhile Trump lowkey kills the Russian economy.

Canada absolutely has the capacity - they were exporting it to the US already. So instead of going through the US before going to Europe, why not cut out the middleman?

Oh, and Europe already did and does. But for some things it was just easier to buy American surplus. That's going away now, and the few gaps there are in armament that Europe doesn't have, like a stealth fighter for instance, is in active development anyway. Perun made an interesting video about it with every single EU-nation producing something for an European army without any American involvement. While a bit tongue-in-cheek (some countries don't produce any military equipment but for his video, they had to produce something), he managed to fill almost every niche with European or European-produced equipment

So yes, cutting out the US is absolutely possible. And the billions lost for the US will sting a lot!



Bofferbrauer2 said:
Pyro as Bill said:

Canada doesn't have the capacity yet and Europe will freeze over Winter before they do.....without US LNG.

Yeah we'll make our own except if we did that already we wouldn't be buying US. Kind of ironic that the only other bloc that could seriously compete with the US is Europe but it would mean "securing" energy from the ME and Russia and no-one has the balls. They spent 3 years debating whether it's ok to send long range missiles meanwhile Trump lowkey kills the Russian economy.

Canada absolutely has the capacity - they were exporting it to the US already. So instead of going through the US before going to Europe, why not cut out the middleman?

Oh, and Europe already did and does. But for some things it was just easier to buy American surplus. That's going away now, and the few gaps there are in armament that Europe doesn't have, like a stealth fighter for instance, is in active development anyway. Perun made an interesting video about it with every single EU-nation producing something for an European army without any American involvement. While a bit tongue-in-cheek (some countries don't produce any military equipment but for his video, they had to produce something), he managed to fill almost every niche with European or European-produced equipment

So yes, cutting out the US is absolutely possible. And the billions lost for the US will sting a lot!

"We can just make our own F-35 and SpaceX". Yeah we can in theory but it's not as simple as it sounds and it's years if not decades away and we need it yesterday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXVkDR_PYcI



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