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Pyro as Bill said:
Ryuu96 said:

Damn bro, when I see a fellow Brit (European) deepthroating America this much, I just think "have some self respect man" Lmao.

"The poorest man in America gets healthcare treatment Europeans could only dream of."

Hyperbolic bullshit.

"When Europe is forced to pay for the real costs of defence and health without the US subsidising"

And how is America subsidising Europe's military and health?

Pyro as Bill said:

Reminder - it was Trump who fastracked the vaccine that got us all out of lockdown months before China.

While at the same time completely downplaying it by sticking his head in the sand and pretending everything was fine, entertaining conspiracy theories, parroting bullshit medical advice, enabling his fanbase to refuse basic safety procedures which furthered the spread, his entire response to COVID is a widely regarded disaster and partly what caused him to lose re-election then Americans had fucking amnesia and voted him back in because inflation, Lol.

If it weren't for him, thousands more Americans could have survived the pandemic.

Healthcare is free in the US if you cant afford it. Yeah you'll have to sell everything you own and your kids wont have an inheritance but you'll be seen same day and be operated on within days. The RoW should be greatful at how much the US invests in healthcare cos we all benefit from the subsidy.

I'm not gonna dignify military subsidies with a response because its self evident.

Only under VERY specific circumstances, as in, you're either absolutely physically or mentally unable to earn any income, or you're a prisoner. Selling of your possessions wouldn't be enough to be eligible, otherwise all the homeless would benefit from it, which they don't.

Otherwise, you're out of luck, as diabetic people often have to find out the very hard way. in 2021 alone 100k Americans died of diabetes, most of them because they couldn't afford the rising insulin prices anymore when the prices went up or because they lost their healthcare when they got laid off due to COVID, and over 1.3 Million Americans are trying to ration their insulin as they can't afford to take it as often as they should anymore.

Also, the US investing in healthcare... more like the companies take the patents from government research for themselves and sell it at sky-high prices while In Europe, those same research would go to Generika as they wouldn't get the patents for Luigi-ing around.



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Bofferbrauer2 said:
Pyro as Bill said:

US LNG and military hardware are gonna be replaced by who exactly?

Trump clearly isnt opposed to free trade if the tariffs are retaliatory. If Vietnam drops their tariffs then Trump will do likewise and the Switch 2 can be sold on the cheap.

It's good that the world is getting a lesson on what's really important.

LNG: Canada.

Military Hardware: We'll produce them ourselves now. Those 800 Billion € will get spent for the most part on European products, and Military Hardware production is increasing fast throughout Europe.

Net loser: The US, especially considering that until the 2010's more than half of the military hardware bought in Europe was American-made. But going forward this number will go down drastically entirely due to Trump. I'm sure the Military-industrial Complex in the US is very thankful already to Trump already for losing hundreds of billions in potential contracts by default already now.

Canada doesn't have the capacity yet and Europe will freeze over Winter before they do.....without US LNG.

Yeah we'll make our own except if we did that already we wouldn't be buying US. Kind of ironic that the only other bloc that could seriously compete with the US is Europe but it would mean "securing" energy from the ME and Russia and no-one has the balls. They spent 3 years debating whether it's ok to send long range missiles meanwhile Trump lowkey kills the Russian economy.



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Pyro as Bill said:
Ryuu96 said:

Alright. You have to be trolling, Lmao.

"I'd rather be poor in America than dead in Europe" - What words of wisdom, I too, would rather not be dead.

The US has the best medical treatment on the planet. Yeah it's expensive if you can afford it but it's free if you can't That's better than rationed treatment if you're one of the unlucky ones.

You aren't making sense, you're saying it's both free but at the same time you have to sell everything you own, so it's not free, Lol. The USA does have good medical treatment though, I never said the actual medical treatment itself was bad, but I will also say that "if you can afford it" is a pretty massive caveat in many peoples cases and is dismissive that millions simply cannot afford it.

Healthy nations are better for the country overall, a stronger workforce, a happier nation, etc. Now imagine all those people living pay check to pay check or on welfare, barely being able to afford electricity or food bills, they don't even have to be in a medical emergency life or death situation to now be in debt by the tune of thousands, now they're struggling even more, what does that lead to? Even worse living conditions, even more medical problems, both physically and mentally and mental health is equally as important as physical health.

I'm not even someone who is against having a private option either, Lol. But you have extreme rose tinted views on America and I had to call out your hyperbolic nonsense with actual first hand experience myself as a British citizen, I feel like the argument keeps changing slightly though, first it was a ridiculous hyperbole comment about healthcare applied to Europe as a whole, when that was called out, the argument changed to welfare specifically in Romania.

Breaking News: Eastern Europe is less wealthy than Western Europe.



Bofferbrauer2 said:
Pyro as Bill said:

US LNG and military hardware are gonna be replaced by who exactly?

Trump clearly isnt opposed to free trade if the tariffs are retaliatory. If Vietnam drops their tariffs then Trump will do likewise and the Switch 2 can be sold on the cheap.

It's good that the world is getting a lesson on what's really important.

LNG: Canada.

Military Hardware: We'll produce them ourselves now. Those 800 Billion € will get spent for the most part on European products, and Military Hardware production is increasing fast throughout Europe.

Net loser: The US, especially considering that until the 2010's more than half of the military hardware bought in Europe was American-made. But going forward this number will go down drastically entirely due to Trump. I'm sure the Military-industrial Complex in the US is very thankful already to Trump already for losing hundreds of billions in potential contracts by default already now.

Meanwhile America is currently screaming and crying that EU is excluding America's military from its €150 billion re-arm initiative, Lol. Wow who would have thought this would happen, it's like attacking all your allies is a bad thing in the long-term and ultimately going to weaken American influence! Crazy!

Last edited by Ryuu96 - on 06 April 2025

Ryuu96 said:
Pyro as Bill said:

Democrats were calling anyone who wanted to close the border to Wuhan racist against the Chinese even when China itself was doing it. They were priding themselves on never taking the Trump vax.

Can't say I remember Democrats saying Trump was racist for wanting to put travel restrictions on China. I see Trump made a false claim on Biden that Biden called him xenophobic for doing so, but here is what Biden actually said.

All Dates in 2020.

On the day the White House announced the travel restrictions, Biden did say at a campaign event in Iowa that as the pandemic unfolds, Americans “need to have a president who they can trust what he says about it, that he is going to act rationally about it.” He added, “This is no time for Donald Trump’s record of hysteria and xenophobia – hysterical xenophobia – and fearmongering to lead the way instead of science.”

The Biden campaign says Biden’s “reference to xenophobia was about Trump’s long record of scapegoating others at a time when the virus was emerging from China,” and that he was not talking about the travel ban.

On April 3, Biden’s campaign said Biden supported Trump’s decision to impose travel restrictions on China.

“Joe Biden supports travel bans that are guided by medical experts, advocated by public health officials, and backed by a full strategy,” Kate Bedingfield, Biden’s deputy campaign manager, told CNN. “Science supported this ban, therefore he did too.”

On ABC’s “This Week” on April 5, Biden responded that while he agreed with the travel restrictions on China, he didn’t think the president acted with enough “urgency.”

You got to go faster than slower. And we started off awfully slow. He indicated that I complimented him on — on dealing with China. Well, you know, 45 nations had already moved to keep — block China’s personnel from being able to come to the United States before the president moved. So, it’s just — it’s about pace. It’s about — it’s about the urgency. And I don’t think there’s been enough of it, urgency.

Trump vax? You're speaking like Trump was personally inside the facilities himself, hand crafting the vaccine, Lmao. Sorry but this is complete nonsense, who the hell was taking pride is refusing the Pfizer vaccine except from anti-vax idiots...Who are mainly Trump supporters, yes, there's some idiot antivaxxers on the left too, but boy what revisionist history to make it seem like it was the Democrats who were antivax when it was actually in fact mostly Trump supporters.

Funny how quickly people forget who the original antivaxers were.

https://apnews.com/article/8790eda23e94aec7cf7b4beaaa67ceaf



Nov 2016 - NES outsells PS1 (JP)

Don't Play Stationary 4 ever. Switch!

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Ryuu96 said:
Pyro as Bill said:

The US has the best medical treatment on the planet. Yeah it's expensive if you can afford it but it's free if you can't That's better than rationed treatment if you're one of the unlucky ones.

You aren't making sense, you're saying it's both free but at the same time you have to sell everything you own, so it's not free, Lol. The USA does have good medical treatment though, I never said the actual medical treatment itself was bad, but I will also say that "if you can afford it" is a pretty massive caveat in many peoples cases and is dismissive that millions simply cannot afford it.

Healthy nations are better for the country overall, a stronger workforce, a happier nation, etc. Now imagine all those people living pay check to pay check or on welfare, barely being able to afford electricity or food bills, they don't even have to be in a medical emergency life or death situation to now be in debt by the tune of thousands, now they're struggling even more, what does that lead to? Even worse living conditions, even more medical problems, both physically and mentally and mental health is equally as important as physical health.

I'm not even someone who is against having a private option either, Lol. But you have extreme rose tinted views on America and I had to call out your hyperbolic nonsense with actual first hand experience myself as a British citizen, I feel like the argument keeps changing slightly though, first it was a ridiculous hyperbole comment about healthcare applied to Europe as a whole, when that was called out, the argument changed to welfare specifically in Romania.

Breaking News: Eastern Europe is less wealthy than Western Europe.

It's free if you don't have the assets to pay towards treatment. What's so difficult to understand?



Nov 2016 - NES outsells PS1 (JP)

Don't Play Stationary 4 ever. Switch!

Bofferbrauer2 said:
Pyro as Bill said:

Healthcare is free in the US if you cant afford it. Yeah you'll have to sell everything you own and your kids wont have an inheritance but you'll be seen same day and be operated on within days. The RoW should be greatful at how much the US invests in healthcare cos we all benefit from the subsidy.

I'm not gonna dignify military subsidies with a response because its self evident.

Only under VERY specific circumstances, as in, you're either absolutely physically or mentally unable to earn any income, or you're a prisoner. Selling of your possessions wouldn't be enough to be eligible, otherwise all the homeless would benefit from it, which they don't.

Otherwise, you're out of luck, as diabetic people often have to find out the very hard way. in 2021 alone 100k Americans died of diabetes, most of them because they couldn't afford the rising insulin prices anymore when the prices went up or because they lost their healthcare when they got laid off due to COVID, and over 1.3 Million Americans are trying to ration their insulin as they can't afford to take it as often as they should anymore.

Also, the US investing in healthcare... more like the companies take the patents from government research for themselves and sell it at sky-high prices while In Europe, those same research would go to Generika as they wouldn't get the patents for Luigi-ing around.

Sometimes I'm curious how much debt me and my family would have been in living in America from my medical bills, then I think who cares, I don't have to think about that, my last trip to the hospital was like a stay at a hotel, 3 meals a day, my own room, amazing staff, my own shower, I was almost disappointed they discharged me so quickly! Lmao. Jk.

They do both have major issues though, but that's the perks of Tories mismanaging everything for over 10 years.



Ryuu96 said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

Only under VERY specific circumstances, as in, you're either absolutely physically or mentally unable to earn any income, or you're a prisoner. Selling of your possessions wouldn't be enough to be eligible, otherwise all the homeless would benefit from it, which they don't.

Otherwise, you're out of luck, as diabetic people often have to find out the very hard way. in 2021 alone 100k Americans died of diabetes, most of them because they couldn't afford the rising insulin prices anymore when the prices went up or because they lost their healthcare when they got laid off due to COVID, and over 1.3 Million Americans are trying to ration their insulin as they can't afford to take it as often as they should anymore.

Also, the US investing in healthcare... more like the companies take the patents from government research for themselves and sell it at sky-high prices while In Europe, those same research would go to Generika as they wouldn't get the patents for Luigi-ing around.

Sometimes I'm curious how much debt me and my family would have been in living in America from my medical bills, then I think who cares, I don't have to think about that, my last trip to the hospital was like a stay at a hotel, 3 meals a day, my own room, amazing staff, my own shower, I was almost disappointed they discharged me so quickly! Lmao. Jk.

They do both have major issues though, but that's the perks of Tories mismanaging everything for over 10 years.

That's great but in the real world bills have to be paid and there's no free lunch. Just cos your government goes into massive debt to pay for the insurance doesn't mean you're kids won't pay it back tenfold in debt interest and the lack of productivity.



Nov 2016 - NES outsells PS1 (JP)

Don't Play Stationary 4 ever. Switch!

Pyro as Bill said:

The US has the best medical treatment on the planet. Yeah it's expensive if you can afford it but it's free if you can't That's better than rationed treatment if you're one of the unlucky ones.

It's free if you're poor enough, not necessarily if you can't afford it. 

Lower middle class people can absolutely be bankrupted. 

Plenty of people having to decline better jobs because they would lose their healthcare. 

Pyro as Bill said:

Funny how quickly people forget who the original antivaxers were.

https://apnews.com/article/8790eda23e94aec7cf7b4beaaa67ceaf

This has nothing to do with being antivaxx. 



Pyro as Bill said:
Ryuu96 said:

Can't say I remember Democrats saying Trump was racist for wanting to put travel restrictions on China. I see Trump made a false claim on Biden that Biden called him xenophobic for doing so, but here is what Biden actually said.

All Dates in 2020.

On the day the White House announced the travel restrictions, Biden did say at a campaign event in Iowa that as the pandemic unfolds, Americans “need to have a president who they can trust what he says about it, that he is going to act rationally about it.” He added, “This is no time for Donald Trump’s record of hysteria and xenophobia – hysterical xenophobia – and fearmongering to lead the way instead of science.”

The Biden campaign says Biden’s “reference to xenophobia was about Trump’s long record of scapegoating others at a time when the virus was emerging from China,” and that he was not talking about the travel ban.

On April 3, Biden’s campaign said Biden supported Trump’s decision to impose travel restrictions on China.

“Joe Biden supports travel bans that are guided by medical experts, advocated by public health officials, and backed by a full strategy,” Kate Bedingfield, Biden’s deputy campaign manager, told CNN. “Science supported this ban, therefore he did too.”

On ABC’s “This Week” on April 5, Biden responded that while he agreed with the travel restrictions on China, he didn’t think the president acted with enough “urgency.”

You got to go faster than slower. And we started off awfully slow. He indicated that I complimented him on — on dealing with China. Well, you know, 45 nations had already moved to keep — block China’s personnel from being able to come to the United States before the president moved. So, it’s just — it’s about pace. It’s about — it’s about the urgency. And I don’t think there’s been enough of it, urgency.

Trump vax? You're speaking like Trump was personally inside the facilities himself, hand crafting the vaccine, Lmao. Sorry but this is complete nonsense, who the hell was taking pride is refusing the Pfizer vaccine except from anti-vax idiots...Who are mainly Trump supporters, yes, there's some idiot antivaxxers on the left too, but boy what revisionist history to make it seem like it was the Democrats who were antivax when it was actually in fact mostly Trump supporters.

Funny how quickly people forget who the original antivaxers were.

https://apnews.com/article/8790eda23e94aec7cf7b4beaaa67ceaf

Washington Gov. Jay Inslee demonstrated the Democrats’ balancing act on Friday when asked whether he would be willing to take a vaccine released by the administration before the election. “If all the protocols had been followed and the evidence is in, of course, I’d follow science. It doesn’t matter when it happens,” Inslee told The Associated Press. “But I would have to look at the science, not Donald Trump. There isn’t one single thing I would ever trust from Donald Trump to be true.”

They have repeatedly cast doubt on Trump’s promises but pledged to follow the guidance of scientists and health care experts such as Dr. Anthony Fauci, the government’s top infectious disease specialist.

At the same time, most Americans worry that the political pressure from the administration will lead the Food and Drug Administration to rush to approve a coronavirus vaccine without making sure it’s safe and effective. That includes 85% of Democrats, 61% of independents and 35% of Republicans, according to Kaiser.

California Rep. Ami Bera, one of three Democratic physicians serving in the House of Representatives, said the modest drop in infections from the summer peak does not mean the nation has turned the corner, as Trump has suggested. He said a vaccine is critically important and welcomed one as soon as possible, as long as it’s deemed safe by science. “I don’t have any vaccine hesitancy. I know the immense power of vaccines. We are going to need a vaccine. I have no issue with taking a vaccine,” Bera said.

On Capitol Hill, Democrats are sticking with a simple, consistent message pushing for a vaccine as soon as possible, but not a moment earlier. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., on Friday praised the FDA scientists and researchers helming the vaccine initiative, but she has been highly critical of the Trump-appointed FDA commissioner. “We all hope and pray for a vaccine, and that will make a tremendous difference,” Pelosi said. “We don’t want it one day sooner than it is ready, from a safety and efficacy standpoint, and we don’t want it one day later,” she added. “Hopefully that will be soon.”

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Where in this article does anything back up your statement that Democrats were "priding themselves on never taking the Trump vax." They all basically said the same thing, get the vaccine out ASAP but don't rush it, ensure it is safe but they will ultimately trusts whatever the scientists say and guess what, Trump isn't a scientist, so if the scientist said it was safe, they would accept that, Trump's opinion is irrelevant here.